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Post by zulugas on Mar 23, 2016 7:46:54 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2016 8:00:24 GMT
Still no detail on any revisions to the stadium plan, although I think that's the first time there's been an official comment on naming rights?
A less than subtle dig at the lone wolf approach!
But a car park without a stadium is just a car park. I'll temper my excitement for now.
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Post by Peter Parker on Mar 23, 2016 8:08:01 GMT
Still no detail on any revisions to the stadium plan, although I think that's the first time there's been an official comment on naming rights? A less than subtle dig at the lone wolf approach! But a car park without a stadium is just a car park. I'll temper my excitement for now. Indeed, not a so subtle dig, but then hardly something any of us didn't think anyway.
you do wonder whether they will build the 26,000 or 30, something thousand option straight off if they can
But yes so far it will just be a Car Park.
At least I feel more confident they will actually achieve something
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Mar 23, 2016 8:12:14 GMT
Given the euphoria and rhetoric about how the new owners are in a different universe to the old it is a little disappointing to discover that;-
a) The funding for the build is not already in place. b) They are still thinking about extending this legal fight ( after pronouncing that it made no difference to whether the stadium was built or not)
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Post by Peter Parker on Mar 23, 2016 8:16:06 GMT
Given the euphoria and rhetoric about how the new owners are in a different universe to the old it is a little disappointing to discover that;- a) The funding for the build is not already in place. b) They are still thinking about extending this legal fight ( after pronouncing that it made no difference to whether the stadium was built or not) we don't know what A) entails. but The Al-Qadi's are investment bankers. I don't think they will be bank rolling things willy nilly
B) it might make no difference, but £30m quid if you win is £30m quid you don't have to find. I don't advocate carrying on, but I assume Dwane Sports legal people haven't looked at the case closely enough and it is being done to cover all bases. Going by the lone wolf comments, I don't think they will think much of our chances, but are going through due process
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Post by richmace on Mar 23, 2016 8:19:51 GMT
Given the euphoria and rhetoric about how the new owners are in a different universe to the old it is a little disappointing to discover that;- a) The funding for the build is not already in place. b) They are still thinking about extending this legal fight ( after pronouncing that it made no difference to whether the stadium was built or not) we don't know what A) entails. but The Al-Qadi's are investment bankers. I don't think they will be bank rolling things willy nilly
B) it might make no difference, but £30m quid if you win is £30m quid you don't have to find. I don't advocate carrying on, but I assume Dwane Sports legal people haven't looked at the case closely enough and it is being done to cover all bases. Going by the lone wolf comments, I don't think they will think much of our chances, but are going through due process
I think it is right and refreshing that we are covering all options here. I believe the legal battle is lost, but it is right that their lawyers take a fresh look at the options. I would expect nothing less from a professional organisation.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2016 8:20:02 GMT
Given the euphoria and rhetoric about how the new owners are in a different universe to the old it is a little disappointing to discover that;- a) The funding for the build is not already in place. b) They are still thinking about extending this legal fight ( after pronouncing that it made no difference to whether the stadium was built or not) They are in a different universe. That's not to say that they have £40 million in their back pocket or write off £18 million or whatever the impact of the court case is without checking that it's not there. They have the nous to get the money on a secure basis, which is a different universe to pushing us to a cliff edge with a lender of last resort to get us to next base. That'll do for me.
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Post by zulugas on Mar 23, 2016 8:29:53 GMT
I don't think the the Al-Qadi's are going to start spending money on a project, even if it is "Only a car park"in phase one, unless they intend of completing it. Any businessperson worth their salt will fund a high profile project from numerous legitimate sources to spread the risk, rather that risk their own capital. As for the legal battle with Shamesbury's, it states that they are reviewing the outcome, if they consider there is a case to recover the £28,000,000 (which is massively over market value) then it could be worth their efforts perusing it. However I don't think the sale of the Mem and the building of the UWE are linked any more, they just want to maximize the revenue from the sale of the Mem site. again good business practice.
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Mar 23, 2016 8:37:28 GMT
I don't think the the Al-Qadi's are going to start spending money on a project, even if it is "Only a car park"in phase one, unless they intend of completing it. Any businessperson worth their salt will fund a high profile project from numerous legitimate sources to spread the risk, rather that risk their own capital. As for the legal battle with Shamesbury's, it states that they are reviewing the outcome, if they consider there is a case to recover the £28,000,000 (which is massively over market value) then it could be worth their efforts perusing it. However I don't think the sale of the Mem and the building of the UWE are linked any more, they just want to maximize the revenue from the sale of the Mem site. again good business practice. If your second point about the stadium build not being linked to a successful outcome of the legal case is correct then I agree we can be more relaxed about the current stance but this article doesn't unlink it. Rightly or wrongly most supporters are conditioned to the mindset that no progress can or will be made on the new stadium until the legal case is concluded.
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Post by zulugas on Mar 23, 2016 8:53:35 GMT
I don't think the the Al-Qadi's are going to start spending money on a project, even if it is "Only a car park"in phase one, unless they intend of completing it. Any businessperson worth their salt will fund a high profile project from numerous legitimate sources to spread the risk, rather that risk their own capital. As for the legal battle with Shamesbury's, it states that they are reviewing the outcome, if they consider there is a case to recover the £28,000,000 (which is massively over market value) then it could be worth their efforts perusing it. However I don't think the sale of the Mem and the building of the UWE are linked any more, they just want to maximize the revenue from the sale of the Mem site. again good business practice. If your second point about the stadium build not being linked to a successful outcome of the legal case is correct then I agree we can be more relaxed about the current stance but this article doesn't unlink it. Rightly or wrongly most supporters are conditioned to the mindset that no progress can or will be made on the new stadium until the legal case is concluded. You're right the article doesn't un-link the sale and the build, however at the share holders meeting Lee Atkins made it clear the funding and building of the new stadium was his project and that it was all on track for the build to progress as and when any outstanding planning or contractual issues (with UWE) had been resolved. From that I think we can safely say the sale of the Mem does not directly effect the build of the UWE. However we will find out more shortly as they only have 28 days to progress an appeal if they wish to do so. I can understand your caution, i think its in built in all Gasheads. Although I am feeling positive about the whole stadium project now, I'll still breath a sigh of relief when my backside is perched on a seat watching our first game in our new home. 44 years of following the Rovers will do that to you UTG
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Post by Rex on Mar 23, 2016 8:57:47 GMT
Given the euphoria and rhetoric about how the new owners are in a different universe to the old it is a little disappointing to discover that;- a ) The funding for the build is not already in place.b) They are still thinking about extending this legal fight ( after pronouncing that it made no difference to whether the stadium was built or not) That's one up for the old board, they had the funding in place, and did have for sometime- apparently.
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Post by nickchippenhamgas on Mar 23, 2016 8:59:09 GMT
I'm very encouraged by the article (admin please can you sort the problem with "access denied" for third party pieces like this?, I looked on the EP website at this article) it looks like we could finally see this project get off the ground?! As for funding, no doubt Kieser will leap onto this and say "told you they're not rich" but anyone who is really rich, and they are, does banking deals by funding and bringing partners on board for naming rights etc, I know SL has personally bankrolled AG development but I'm sure some of that was in the wake of it going tits up on our plans, let's say a bit of one upmanship!! Anyway, I'm fully behind the new regime but please no to further appeals, I'm sure they won't though utg
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Post by matealotblue on Mar 23, 2016 9:14:29 GMT
I'm very encouraged by the article ( admin please can you sort the problem with "access denied" for third party pieces like this?, I looked on the EP website at this article) it looks like we could finally see this project get off the ground?! As for funding, no doubt Kieser will leap onto this and say "told you they're not rich" but anyone who is really rich, and they are, does banking deals by funding and bringing partners on board for naming rights etc, I know SL has personally bankrolled AG development but I'm sure some of that was in the wake of it going tits up on our plans, let's say a bit of one upmanship!! Anyway, I'm fully behind the new regime but please no to further appeals, I'm sure they won't though utg Concur with that comment. A bit annoying. Thanks.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Mar 23, 2016 9:19:30 GMT
I was interested by this quote ~ "We have been alerted to one or two things that we weren't aware of previously, but we are working through all of those issues and we are getting on with it." Wonder what they have learnt?
By building the car park they are keeping the project alive. 2 years till planning permission expires so they have to seem active and building the car park keeps UWE on board.
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Post by zulugas on Mar 23, 2016 9:22:54 GMT
For those struggling to see the article on the Post website.
Bristol Rovers: Club hoping to break ground on phase one of UWE stadium project by the autumn By JamesMcNamara | Posted: March 23, 2016
BRISTOL Rovers are hoping to break ground on phase one of a new stadium project on land owned by the University of the West of England (UWE) by the autumn.
Recently-appointed chairman Steve Hamer and the team he has assembled to protect and co-ordinate the interests of the club as the £40-million project progresses have held several meetings with UWE representatives since the Al-Qadi family completed a takeover last month.
The club is hoping the project, which initially proposed the construction of a 21,700-all-seater facility, will be completed within two years and are currently aiming to start work on a car park that would eventually service the stadium by October.
Hamer said: "What we are doing at the moment is introducing ourselves and meeting with all of the key partners. All of those meetings have been extremely successful.
"That is ongoing and has been since shortly after we arrived. I very much get the feeling that what was going on previously was very much a lone wolf approach.
"What we are trying to do is introduce an approach where there is a greater degree of transparent and co-ordinated thinking between all parties.
"We have been alerted to one or two things that we weren't aware of previously, but we are working through all of those issues and we are getting on with it.
"We are very respectful of UWE, their position and the remarkable patience they have shown. Planning consent has another two years to run but the sooner we get the project off the ground the better.
"There is a requirement to start work on a car park on that site by October and that is our next target. UWE have 30,000 students and because they are building in other areas they are losing car parking space. That is the next definitive target and would really be the first smoke signal of real progress on the project."
Hamer and his team, which includes recently-appointed directors Michael Cunnah and Lee Atkins, have also been active in meeting with potential investment partners in order to help finance the project.
"Our mantra is that we are on a journey so come and join us now," Hamer said.
"Anyone who comes knocking on our door to ask about things like naming rights when the stadium is up and running in two years' time might have missed the boat.
"It is only right that we look more favourably on those parties who commit to coming on what will be a fantastic journey with us."
Hamer, meanwhile, says that the Al-Qadi's legal team are still examining the chances of success or otherwise for an appeal to the Supreme Court in what has been a long-running legal battle with Sainsbury's.
The club lost an appeal against an initial High Court decision that ruled in favour of the high street retailer and allowed them to extricate themselves from an agreement made to buy the Memorial Stadium site for £30million in 2011.
"The club has lost a lawsuit amounting to £1million and will also have to pick up the tab for Sainsbury's costs amounting to £500,000," said Hamer.
"When you are talking about these sums of money it would be unwise to charge on without taking stock. We have this 28-day period and all aspects of the case are being evaluated by our legal team. We await their advice on the chances of success or otherwise."
Hamer has also confirmed that a short-term loan that was accruing interest at 1.2 per cent per month has been settled with the lender.
The club, under the old regime led by Nick Higgs, obtained the £2million loan from a company called MSP Capital in December 2014 in order to continue their legal fight against Sainsbury's.
A sum of close to £3million has been repaid, and Hamer said: "That was all part of the acquisition.
"I'm sure it is a mighty relief to those who set up the loan and to those who had offered personal guarantees in order to obtain it."
Former financial director Toni Watola, meanwhile, has brought an end to his time at the club by retiring.
Watola remained in employ of the club following the recent Al-Qadi takeover and briefly carried out a role as chief operating officer.
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Post by matealotblue on Mar 23, 2016 9:24:52 GMT
I was interested by this quote ~ "We have been alerted to one or two things that we weren't aware of previously, but we are working through all of those issues and we are getting on with it." Wonder what they have learnt? By building the car park they are keeping the project alive. 2 years till planning permission expires so they have to seem active and building the car park keeps UWE on board. On the basis that this would not be happening if there was not some serious intent to carry on I also assume that this means any talk of other sites down country lanes or wherever are just a load of old guff now then?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2016 10:22:46 GMT
Reading this made me shudder. I cannot imagine for a minute we could survive had there not been this buyout.
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Post by matealotblue on Mar 23, 2016 10:50:43 GMT
Reading this made me shudder. I cannot imagine for a minute we could survive had there not been this buyout. Understand what you mean. Think we would survive but in a much lesser state than we can look forward to now due to struggling to keep head above water financially. Fine margins indeed.
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Post by gasheadnaboo on Mar 23, 2016 11:52:57 GMT
This is old news, just repeating what Hamer said on the subs bench the other week. I really hope the car park is finished by the end of September the situation has been a total farce since car park 20, which resembled a ww1 no man's land, was closed after Christmas.
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Post by PessimistGas on Mar 23, 2016 12:24:55 GMT
I still think the UWE will be built but it looks like it's going to take longer than I'd hoped to sort out the mess left behind which I can't help but being a bit dissapointed about.
To be fair, this has been dragging on for years and I think that many of us, including me, have just run out patience.
When the previous regime were proven to be so evasive, duplicitous and misleading time and time and time again it's hard not to view any updates about the project with cynicism.
I'm trying hard to believe after being let down so many times.
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