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Post by tanksfull on Feb 29, 2016 14:49:03 GMT
So you were happy that under the previous board any fan could suddenly find themselves banned for life, for any reason the chairman chose? I don't believe that for one minute. No Anne i'm not happy with that statement you made but in the context of what was said by banned person(s), then in the eyes of the business owner they deserved a ban Put it this way if somebody came into my shop and told me how to run my business and a very forthright way i would kick them out as well ! And there lies the problem:- This was never, ever, about one person This is a football Club where the supporters are the Club and the owners are the custodians When owners understand that they won't ban supporters for criticising. I am quite sure you have seen the comment on the other forum "this wasn't about one person, it was about an owner banning ANY fan because they dared to say what they thought. Secondly even if Kevin had moved on what really pissed most of us off was the family of our own kit man being told that Roger's good friend could not come to the post funeral event as it was being held at the Mem."
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Post by Angas on Feb 29, 2016 14:57:17 GMT
“We want this to be an all inclusive Club and to embrace our fans, not isolate them. This is a new beginning for us all and we hope our supporters will be behind us all the way."
That is absolutely the way things should be. That attitude has been sadly lacking for 10 years or more, but at last it looks as if we might be back on track
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Feb 29, 2016 15:39:42 GMT
“We want this to be an all inclusive Club and to embrace our fans, not isolate them. This is a new beginning for us all and we hope our supporters will be behind us all the way."
That is absolutely the way things should be. That attitude has been sadly lacking for 10 years or more, but at last it looks as if we might be back on track Going to start going to games again now then?
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Post by Angas on Feb 29, 2016 15:48:03 GMT
“We want this to be an all inclusive Club and to embrace our fans, not isolate them. This is a new beginning for us all and we hope our supporters will be behind us all the way."
That is absolutely the way things should be. That attitude has been sadly lacking for 10 years or more, but at last it looks as if we might be back on track Going to start going to games again now then? Funny you should say that. Last week, for the first time in years, I actually wanted to start going again. Never thought I'd be saying that. Just a matter of finding some cash now
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Post by irishrover on Feb 29, 2016 15:56:57 GMT
So you were happy that under the previous board any fan could suddenly find themselves banned for life, for any reason the chairman chose? I don't believe that for one minute. No Anne i'm not happy with that statement you made but in the context of what was said by banned person(s), then in the eyes of the business owner they deserved a ban Put it this way if somebody came into my shop and told me how to run my business and a very forthright way i would kick them out as well ! And in that moment he exposed the ridiculous thinking of treating a football club like a standard private business. That is exactly why Higgs alienated so many - treating the club like his own private fiefdom with all the paranoia that entails. Just because you have the right to do something doesn't mean that it is the right thing to do. Sure - he was entitled to do what he did but people are also damn well entitled to judge him for those actions. That was the break point for me and Nick Higgs - because at that point he could no longer credibly claim to be acting as the benign benefactor of the club as he himself constantly claimed to be, but a man acting purely in his own private interest and very pettily so too. For me it just showed weak leadership and poor judgement more than anything else. I don't know the people involved - but it looked and sounded abject and made me lose all faith in Higgs as a credible leader of the club.
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Post by tanksfull on Feb 29, 2016 16:28:36 GMT
No Anne i'm not happy with that statement you made but in the context of what was said by banned person(s), then in the eyes of the business owner they deserved a ban Put it this way if somebody came into my shop and told me how to run my business and a very forthright way i would kick them out as well ! And in that moment he exposed the ridiculous thinking of treating a football club like a standard private business. How do I double like this?
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Post by vaughan on Feb 29, 2016 17:38:04 GMT
This was nothing but a spiteful act on the part of The Board to show who was effectively boss. It was a shocking example of PR. Kevin was not only a former director, but first and foremost a loyal supporter.
Compare and contrast with philosophy underpinned by Wael's quotes below. I am not religious, but even I was tempted to stand up and shout "Halleluya" when I read this:
“If you don’t know how the fans feel, what the fans want, what conditions managers need to perform better, then you are setting yourself up for failure.
“Without naming names, some owners have come in and, for example, have tried to tamper with the heritage of the club.
“Football is about tradition. A club has its heritage and its loyal fanbase. So when you come in and try to change a name or certain aspects of its heritage, that just does not work.
“It backfires. You lose the trust of the fans who are the most important thing in the club.”
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2016 17:38:34 GMT
No Anne i'm not happy with that statement you made but in the context of what was said by banned person(s), then in the eyes of the business owner they deserved a ban Put it this way if somebody came into my shop and told me how to run my business and a very forthright way i would kick them out as well ! And in that moment he exposed the ridiculous thinking of treating a football club like a standard private business. That is exactly why Higgs alienated so many - treating the club like his own private fiefdom with all the paranoia that entails. Just because you have the right to do something doesn't mean that it is the right thing to do. Sure - he was entitled to do what he did but people are also damn well entitled to judge him for those actions. That was the break point for me and Nick Higgs - because at that point he could no longer credibly claim to be acting as the benign benefactor of the club as he himself constantly claimed to be, but a man acting purely in his own private interest and very pettily so too. For me it just showed weak leadership and poor judgement more than anything else. I don't know the people involved - but it looked and sounded abject and made me lose all faith in Higgs as a credible leader of the club. And then compounded it by making an arse on himself on the radio. Rather than fronting up and justifying his decision he spouted nonsense about being willing to discuss it but having no contact details. Oh well, all history now.
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Post by lostinspace on Feb 29, 2016 17:49:52 GMT
Didn't ban-anarama sing Nathan Brown you've been away too long?! nathan....yes but unless he's gone deed poll.no!!! Banarama did a cover of this
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Post by pirateduncan on Feb 29, 2016 18:33:57 GMT
It's been a few years since I was last on a Rovers forum (in fact I think this isn't even the same Alt Forum!)
Just wanted to say reading that news article on the Website painted the biggest Rovers-smile on my face than I've had probably since Wembley in 2007. Well done Bristol Rovers for doing the right thing in welcoming a good guy back to the football club.
Very best wishes to Kevin and to all my old internet buddies on here; especially the ones I didn't always see eye to eye with.
I hope you're all doing very well
Duncan (Stoner/Dropa_Gas)
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Post by Bridgeman on Feb 29, 2016 19:39:54 GMT
It's been a few years since I was last on a Rovers forum ( in fact I think this isn't even the same Alt Forum!)
Just wanted to say reading that news article on the Website painted the biggest Rovers-smile on my face than I've had probably since Wembley in 2007. Well done Bristol Rovers for doing the right thing in welcoming a good guy back to the football club. Very best wishes to Kevin and to all my old internet buddies on here; especially the ones I didn't always see eye to eye with. I hope you're all doing very well Duncan (Stoner/Dropa_Gas) Correct, it's not but it is a good'un . Welcome, we don't always agree but we respect one anothers opinions.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2016 20:29:50 GMT
So you were happy that under the previous board any fan could suddenly find themselves banned for life, for any reason the chairman chose? I don't believe that for one minute. No Anne i'm not happy with that statement you made but in the context of what was said by banned person(s), then in the eyes of the business owner they deserved a ban Put it this way if somebody came into my shop and told me how to run my business and a very forthright way i would kick them out as well ! go on tell us ;what was said;
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Post by Bridgeman on Feb 29, 2016 20:37:08 GMT
So now you guys are happy that "the chosen one" has been reinstated, who are you going to campaign for next to be reinstated I won't hold my breath There are a lot on this forum like me who have no idea who Kevin Spencer is or what he did to induce a life time ban from the Board of Directors from attending the Memorial Stadium. However, I am delighted that someone who presumably had the temerity to be critical of how the club was run and was banned has now had that ban lifted. I'd be as delighted for you Henbury Gas if it had happened to you.
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Post by johnanagram on Feb 29, 2016 20:37:20 GMT
“We want this to be an all inclusive Club and to embrace our fans, not isolate them. This is a new beginning for us all and we hope our supporters will be behind us all the way."
That is absolutely the way things should be. That attitude has been sadly lacking for 10 years or more, but at last it looks as if we might be back on track I was going to post this quote, I have done so on my Facebook page. It brought a tear to my eye. I hope you and yours are well. Regards John Malyckyj
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2016 20:51:57 GMT
So you were happy that under the previous board any fan could suddenly find themselves banned for life, for any reason the chairman chose? I don't believe that for one minute. No Anne i'm not happy with that statement you made but in the context of what was said by banned person(s), then in the eyes of the business owner they deserved a ban Put it this way if somebody came into my shop and told me how to run my business and a very forthright way i would kick them out as well ! On your point about your shop, but if it was lot's of your customers saying the same thing, then surely you would have to think about it. I tried lot's of things whilst in the pub trade most worked, however I tried to organize big new years eve function in our first year, everybody said do not do it, but being stubborn I did it. I lost a fortune that night and did not see a lot of customers, the reason being they all went to the big house. My belief was they brought into the save our local campaign, which in all honesty they did for most days of the year but not New Years Eve! Sometimes you have to listen to your customers! especially if they have seen your books.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2016 21:19:25 GMT
So you were happy that under the previous board any fan could suddenly find themselves banned for life, for any reason the chairman chose? I don't believe that for one minute. No Anne i'm not happy with that statement you made but in the context of what was said by banned person(s), then in the eyes of the business owner they deserved a ban Put it this way if somebody came into my shop and told me how to run my business and a very forthright way i would kick them out as well !If someone gave me business advice and I ignored it and as a result things went horribly wrong I would blame myself for being a stubborn arse.
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Post by nortongashead on Feb 29, 2016 21:21:35 GMT
A fresh start for everyone. Don't know KS but knew his banning created a lot of bad blood. Welcome back KS.
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Post by irishrover on Feb 29, 2016 23:53:57 GMT
No Anne i'm not happy with that statement you made but in the context of what was said by banned person(s), then in the eyes of the business owner they deserved a ban Put it this way if somebody came into my shop and told me how to run my business and a very forthright way i would kick them out as well ! On your point about your shop, but if it was lot's of your customers saying the same thing, then surely you would have to think about it. I tried lot's of things whilst in the pub trade most worked, however I tried to organize big new years eve function in our first year, everybody said do not do it, but being stubborn I did it. I lost a fortune that night and did not see a lot of customers, the reason being they all went to the big house. My belief was they brought into the save our local campaign, which in all honesty they did for most days of the year but not New Years Eve! Sometimes you have to listen to your customers! especially if they have seen your books. They ALL went to prison? Bloody hell, what sort of event were you putting on?!......
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2016 7:55:41 GMT
On your point about your shop, but if it was lot's of your customers saying the same thing, then surely you would have to think about it. I tried lot's of things whilst in the pub trade most worked, however I tried to organize big new years eve function in our first year, everybody said do not do it, but being stubborn I did it. I lost a fortune that night and did not see a lot of customers, the reason being they all went to the big house. My belief was they brought into the save our local campaign, which in all honesty they did for most days of the year but not New Years Eve! Sometimes you have to listen to your customers! especially if they have seen your books. They ALL went to prison? Bloody hell, what sort of event were you putting on?!...... Well that made me smile. the big house is actually not that big but sits on a large plot of land and the owner opens up the grounds on New Years Eve for a party. Mind after saying that the house does look a bit like a prison.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2016 11:14:57 GMT
Put it this way if somebody came into my shop and told me how to run my business and a very forthright way i would kick them out as well ! Not a great analogy. Some businesses have signs saying 'If you like what we do, tell your friends; if you don't, tell us'. Under your approach, all the people who don't like your business simply go elsewhere and probably tell all their friends and relatives to do the same. They might even post about it on the internet (but likely don't bother). Problem solved. Football clubs aren't like that. People don't just go elsewhere. Anyone who gets involved in football, whether players, managers, referees, or owners, who can't take criticism, has made a conflicting lifestyle choice. I expect Wael has had a good old moan about things at Chelsea over the years, and hasn't recognised any obligation of silence.
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