Captain Jayho
Andy Tillson
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Feb 19, 2016 22:24:51 GMT
Post by Captain Jayho on Feb 19, 2016 22:24:51 GMT
With regard to the stadium he was very committed to the club needing a new stadium but awfully non-committal about whether UWE would be that stadium. I think part of it is that he doesn't want to promise what he can't 100% guarantee delivery of - that came through when he was asked about a number of other topics as well. But I picked up a genuine question mark over the building of UWE from the way he responded. You have to wonder if he has other ideas. He seems like a pretty shrewd businessman and if the length of time they've been doing due diligence on the club for is any guage then we could be in for a bit of a wait on the stadium. I take your point, and alternative ideas to the UWE might be interesting too, but do you not suspect that being a club with a potentially greater attendance with planning permission for a greater stadium is what makes Rovers a greater investment opportunity than some other clubs? Or do you suspect another reason the Al Qadi family chose Rovers? Yes, and I could be completely misconstruing what he is saying in that BBC interview because he simply understates everything so much. I agree that having the stadium ready to go is a big asset for anyone coming in - I just worry that protracted haggling with UWE - who have already waited an eternity and been very patient with us - might end up badly for all concerned!
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gasprom
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Feb 19, 2016 22:34:53 GMT
Post by gasprom on Feb 19, 2016 22:34:53 GMT
Isn't owning the freehold just showing good foresight when it comes to naming rights? I thought the Stadium being named the UWE was a condition of leasing the land. Owners sponsoring their own stadia is a way of bypassing financial fair play. I believe that's what Man City do. Not comparing us to them, but why not keep options open.
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Feb 19, 2016 22:37:35 GMT
Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2016 22:37:35 GMT
I take your point, and alternative ideas to the UWE might be interesting too, but do you not suspect that being a club with a potentially greater attendance with planning permission for a greater stadium is what makes Rovers a greater investment opportunity than some other clubs? Or do you suspect another reason the Al Qadi family chose Rovers? Yes, and I could be completely misconstruing what he is saying in that BBC interview because he simply understates everything so much. I agree that having the stadium ready to go is a big asset for anyone coming in - I just worry that protracted haggling with UWE - who have already waited an eternity and been very patient with us - might end up badly for all concerned! Then perhaps the question is whether the Al Qadis have considered this possibility. I imagine (I don't know how these things work) that it would not have been possible for the Al Qadis to negotiate or confirm dealings with UWE before completing the purchase of the football club. If your fears are borne out, and UWE's stipulations prevent any of the ownership and development our owners desire, then things would quite quickly become quite complicated. I suspect people this wealthy know they will get their way before spending this much* on a fourth division football club though. There's another thing. For what price was 92% of Bristol Rovers sold today?
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Bridgeman
Alfie Biggs
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Feb 19, 2016 23:00:10 GMT
Post by Bridgeman on Feb 19, 2016 23:00:10 GMT
Isn't owning the freehold just showing good foresight when it comes to naming rights? I thought the Stadium being named the UWE was a condition of leasing the land. Owners sponsoring their own stadia is a way of bypassing financial fair play. I believe that's what Man City do. Not comparing us to them, but why not keep options open. That was my understanding too.......
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womble
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Feb 19, 2016 23:25:54 GMT
Post by womble on Feb 19, 2016 23:25:54 GMT
Isn't owning the freehold just showing good foresight when it comes to naming rights? I thought the Stadium being named the UWE was a condition of leasing the land. Owners sponsoring their own stadia is a way of bypassing financial fair play. I believe that's what Man City do. Not comparing us to them, but why not keep options open. That was my understanding too....... It was a mutually beneficial arrangement. UWE would swap the 125 year lease (worth around £8m) for the naming rights. No money changes hands, we get a fee lease, they get free advertising. The new chairman referred to possibly having to have a 'partner' rather than 100% ownership, so I assume he was referring to the lease issue. While he would clearly prefer to acquire to acquire the freehold he didn't give the impression that having to stick with the leasehold arrangement would be a showstopper.
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Feb 19, 2016 23:31:11 GMT
Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2016 23:31:11 GMT
I thought the Stadium being named the UWE was a condition of leasing the land. That was my understanding too....... So will the Al Qadis prefer to buy the freehold for the stadium/hotels/other and name the stadium themselves? Indeed can they? Would UWE block this? Is this permissable under the existing planning permission? And how many pounds did they pay for 92% of BRFC? Astafjevs's 'too good' thread has given me doubts now.
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womble
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Post by womble on Feb 19, 2016 23:59:03 GMT
That was my understanding too....... So will the Al Qadis prefer to buy the freehold for the stadium/hotels/other and name the stadium themselves? Indeed can they? Would UWE block this? Is this permissable under the existing planning permission? And how many pounds did they pay for 92% of BRFC? Astafjevs's 'too good' thread has given me doubts now. It's UWE's land, whether they sell it or lease it is entirely up to them. The existing planning permission establishes use of the land and design. Ownership makes no difference, the permission would still be valid.
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kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Feb 20, 2016 0:18:17 GMT
Give them a chance before getting het up please.
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Feb 20, 2016 9:37:22 GMT
Post by laughinggas on Feb 20, 2016 9:37:22 GMT
Well having this concluded outside the transfer window means forums not going into meltdown re possible signings, and if few made what was happening.
From what we have heard so far new stadium and academy feature in plans. Promotion is not a set target so not getting the impression we will be buying a squad in the summer.
Trust it's a case of getting all the foundations (pun intended ) in place and let's grow.
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eppinggas
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Ian Alexander
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Feb 20, 2016 9:46:02 GMT
Post by eppinggas on Feb 20, 2016 9:46:02 GMT
For the first time in a LONG time there is a real buzz about the Gas. I would imagine that DC will be given some sort of funds to pull in players on loan. Hopefully there are quality premiership/championship players who might actually want to come and play for us now. Persuading players to come here just got a whole lot easier. UTG.
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willy
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Feb 20, 2016 9:46:29 GMT
Post by willy on Feb 20, 2016 9:46:29 GMT
I've got a nagging feeling we're going to be a feeder team for the jordanian football association. Not sure if im reading to much into this but i think the uwe might be dead in the water, Why would a billionaire want to share a ground with anybody? when he could afford to build a massive complex on somewhere like rolls royce land? and own the whole lot, hotels Restaurants he is in the tourism business after all!
looking forward to the future it's certainly going to be interesting!1
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2016 9:48:17 GMT
I've got a nagging feeling we're going to be a feeder team for the jordanian football association. Not sure if im reading to much into this but i think the uwe might be dead in the water, Why would a billionaire want to share a ground with anybody? when he could afford to build a massive complex on somewhere like rolls royce land? and own the whole lot, hotels Restaurants he is in the tourism business after all! looking forward to the future it's certainly going to be interesting!1 It would have to be somewhere other than Rolls Royce as redevelopment work has already begun there.
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willy
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Feb 20, 2016 10:02:56 GMT
Post by willy on Feb 20, 2016 10:02:56 GMT
is filton airport selling off any land yet? what a location that would be!!
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womble
Arthur Cartlidge
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Feb 20, 2016 10:06:34 GMT
Post by womble on Feb 20, 2016 10:06:34 GMT
is filton airport selling off any land yet? what a location that would be!! Already sold off to housing developers.
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Feb 20, 2016 10:32:42 GMT
I've got a nagging feeling we're going to be a feeder team for the jordanian football association. Not sure if im reading to much into this but i think the uwe might be dead in the water, Why would a billionaire want to share a ground with anybody? when he could afford to build a massive complex on somewhere like rolls royce land? and own the whole lot, hotels Restaurants he is in the tourism business after all! looking forward to the future it's certainly going to be interesting!1 Why would a very rich man spend £10-15m buying a site when UWE are providing one for free?
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Post by laughinggas on Feb 20, 2016 10:38:25 GMT
I've got a nagging feeling we're going to be a feeder team for the jordanian football association. Not sure if im reading to much into this but i think the uwe might be dead in the water, Why would a billionaire want to share a ground with anybody? when he could afford to build a massive complex on somewhere like rolls royce land? and own the whole lot, hotels Restaurants he is in the tourism business after all! looking forward to the future it's certainly going to be interesting!1 Why would a very rich man spend £10-15m buying a site when UWE are providing one for free? Possibly because of other opportunities and revenue streams.
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Feb 20, 2016 11:08:52 GMT
Post by pilninggas on Feb 20, 2016 11:08:52 GMT
I've got a nagging feeling we're going to be a feeder team for the jordanian football association. Not sure if im reading to much into this but i think the uwe might be dead in the water, Why would a billionaire want to share a ground with anybody? when he could afford to build a massive complex on somewhere like rolls royce land? and own the whole lot, hotels Restaurants he is in the tourism business after all! looking forward to the future it's certainly going to be interesting!1 Why would a very rich man spend £10-15m buying a site when UWE are providing one for free? Steve Hamer said to 20man that the Al-Qadis are keen to move UWE forward, and are interested in aquiring the site in a freehold (buying it), rather than the free lease that was proposed previously. That is a massive expression of intent. Hamer said the Abbey Wood area is a massive opportunity for us. I'm sure they will start liaising with UWE next week to either purchase the site or review the lease agreement.
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Feb 20, 2016 11:13:14 GMT
Post by Henbury Gas on Feb 20, 2016 11:13:14 GMT
Why would a very rich man spend £10-15m buying a site when UWE are providing one for free? Steve Hamer said to 20man that the Al-Qadis are keen to move UWE forward, and are interested in aquiring the site in a freehold (buying it), rather than the free lease that was proposed previously. That is a massive expression of intent. Hamer said the Abbey Wood area is a massive opportunity for us. I'm sure they will start liaising with UWE next week to either purchase the site or review the lease agreement. The new owner also said they had been in talks with the UWE for 5 months !
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Feb 20, 2016 11:16:09 GMT
Post by pilninggas on Feb 20, 2016 11:16:09 GMT
Steve Hamer said to 20man that the Al-Qadis are keen to move UWE forward, and are interested in aquiring the site in a freehold (buying it), rather than the free lease that was proposed previously. That is a massive expression of intent. Hamer said the Abbey Wood area is a massive opportunity for us. I'm sure they will start liaising with UWE next week to either purchase the site or review the lease agreement. The new owner also said they had been in talks with the UWE for 5 months ! okay, i thought they had only been in talks with Rovers for 5 months. but i guess due diligence would make uwe-dialogue vital. I guess it's just good news in the fact that they plan to complete the project.
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Peter Parker
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Feb 20, 2016 11:17:18 GMT
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Post by Peter Parker on Feb 20, 2016 11:17:18 GMT
The UWE land might be free, but part of the original deal is to call it UWE stadium etc etc.
I am sure 'we' would rather renogotiate and offer UWE something as I am sure 'we' would prefer it to be the Al-Qadi Investment Bank Stadium or something
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