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Post by alasitsgas on Feb 16, 2016 16:42:44 GMT
So instead of chasing the deal with Sainsbury's which in my opinion was always too good to be true,is there any big reason
why the Mem could not be enlarged or the present stands being extended?
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Post by Rex on Feb 16, 2016 16:50:06 GMT
I like The Mem too.
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Post by Peter Parker on Feb 16, 2016 16:56:32 GMT
So instead of chasing the deal with Sainsbury's which in my opinion was always too good to be true,is there any big reason why the Mem could not be enlarged or the present stands being extended? we don't have any money
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Feb 16, 2016 17:03:43 GMT
I agree, and we had several fors/againsts in Plan C thread I started to provoke conversation.
There's def a way forward on that, but methinks someone has looked at the Glos Rd and wants to keep all the money spent there on a nice new sterile ground.
I'd wager a large proportion of fans spend at least admission price on refreshments before/after on matchday (you've only got to see what the landlord of Good Companion pub in Pompey tweeted on Saturday).
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Post by One F in Dunford on Feb 16, 2016 17:18:52 GMT
I like the Mem especially when you drive me there! Before you say it, you obviously drive most weeks!
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Post by alasitsgas on Feb 16, 2016 17:19:49 GMT
So instead of chasing the deal with Sainsbury's which in my opinion was always too good to be true,is there any big reason why the Mem could not be enlarged or the present stands being extended? we don't have any money If we don't appeal should Sainsbury win the present legal wrangle any monies and all efforts spent on a refurbishment.
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Post by dido on Feb 16, 2016 18:06:42 GMT
Yeh, but no-one at all will go to football now unless everything is fluffy. (Apparently)
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Post by mancgas has left the building on Feb 16, 2016 18:23:42 GMT
So instead of chasing the deal with Sainsbury's which in my opinion was always too good to be true,is there any big reason why the Mem could not be enlarged or the present stands being extended? sad fact is with what we've spent on planning and lawyers over last 15 years we could have built 4 stands like those at FGR/Exeter, had a capacity of 16,000 and no mortgage. Too late now - its s**t or bust time.
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Post by creationblue on Feb 16, 2016 19:19:30 GMT
The mem is sh!te, we can't allow ourselves to be happy to watch our club in such poor outdated facilities. As a collective we need to push forward
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Feb 16, 2016 19:53:10 GMT
The idea was to rebuild, get up to date, get state of art facility whilst still retaining some sort of heart and soul within the fabric of a community.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2016 20:23:15 GMT
I think that to much is made of needing an upgraded stadium,but I go to football to watch the football not eat pasties/chips etc. I like the older stadiums,better atmosphere,Portsmouth for instance,and I prefer standing up. The other thing is by building a stadium in the middle of nowhere you will lose the blokes who like a few pints in Gloucester rd before and after the game.
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Post by severnbeachline on Feb 16, 2016 23:32:59 GMT
I think that to much is made of needing an upgraded stadium,but I go to football to watch the football not eat pasties/chips etc. I like the older stadiums,better atmosphere,Portsmouth for instance,and I prefer standing up.The other thing is by building a stadium in the middle of nowhere you will lose the blokes who like a few pints in Gloucester rd before and after the game.First Rovers game in 2014 here. Been coming back regularly ever since. You just underlined the two reasons I looked to Rovers over City. Honestly if we replaced the tent with a proper stand and did up the North Terrace bar I'd be happy. Everyone seems to assume that City's new facilities will leave us choked off for new support but I'm 24. I think we have something to offer people who want a more... I don't know... visceral match day experience? I just can't abide by sitting at football I guess. Edit: Also I can't imagine it would be the same without getting the train from Shirehampton to Montpelier, walking up Glos Rd and meeting my Dad for a pint somewhere. Glos rd is a major plus for me. Really wasn't fond of Kassam Stadium, for example, in some soulless retail park.
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Post by badbloodash on Feb 17, 2016 8:18:42 GMT
I think that to much is made of needing an upgraded stadium,but I go to football to watch the football not eat pasties/chips etc. I like the older stadiums,better atmosphere,Portsmouth for instance,and I prefer standing up.The other thing is by building a stadium in the middle of nowhere you will lose the blokes who like a few pints in Gloucester rd before and after the game.First Rovers game in 2014 here. Been coming back regularly ever since. You just underlined the two reasons I looked to Rovers over City. Honestly if we replaced the tent with a proper stand and did up the North Terrace bar I'd be happy. Everyone seems to assume that City's new facilities will leave us choked off for new support but I'm 24. I think we have something to offer people who want a more... I don't know... visceral match day experience? I just can't abide by sitting at football I guess. Edit: Also I can't imagine it would be the same getting the train from Shirehampton to Montpelier, walking up Glos Rd and meeting my Dad for a pint somewhere. Really wasn't fond of Kassam Stadium, for example, in some soulless retail park. Football is not just the 90 mins it's about the whole day meeting up with your mates having a drink etc some of these new stadiums leave me feeling cold I much rather going to grounds which are in the community Oxford reading Stoke Derby etc were much better days out at the old grounds loved going to places like forest charlton West Ham etc I still think with a bit of forward thinking we could have a decent ground on glos road to suit our needs because we aren't ever going to be playing in the premiership and all those moaning about the mem have short memories or never experienced twerton or eastville in the eighties
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Post by Igitur on Feb 17, 2016 8:21:49 GMT
If you think of it logically if all 92 clubs had completely up-to-date stadia there will always be a league 2. We've been through what attracts a player to a club, the stadium must be low down on that list.
Owners are usually running clubs to generate money. Conference centres, hotels and so on do not improve the playing side as money goes into the back pockets of owners not in buying players. Often a player is sold and the manager does not get that money to buy others. (Alhough it is amazing how successful businessmen are so bad at running football clubs, success on the pitch is so important.)
Build a good football team first.
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Post by trunky on Feb 17, 2016 9:02:37 GMT
The Mem is a dump and an embarrassment I never miss a home match but I am filled with dread every time I go. If we want to progress in any shape or form we must get away from these dier facilities with a more modern stadium and increased capacity.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Feb 17, 2016 10:00:09 GMT
I can't wait to see the dozers move in and pull the dam thing down ( John Miles Song BTW )
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Post by irishrover on Feb 17, 2016 10:28:20 GMT
I think there's an analogy with the way US Sports have gone. In the 1970s they built big multi-sport venues desgined for people to drive to in out of town locations in order to replace dilapidated stadiums in the middle of citys. They were called cookie-cutters because they all looked the same. They very quickly became unpopular as fans hated the amount of time it took to get in and out of the stadiums and the general soullessness of the surrounds. In the 90s Cities began to realise that having a centre piece stadium near the middle of a city could be a good thing and rejuvinate an area. The idea of retro-stadiums was born and the fashion of making the fan experience something more than driving out of town became important. I believe that in the long run Englsih football could well go the same way. I agree that we can't continue the Mem in its current form but I have no real enthusiasm in regularly going to a ground in the middle of a massive car park and a long way from where the action is. The Gloucester Road is a great football experience because it encompasses more than just the game. I like very few modern new build grounds largely because of their locations and boring architecture. Going to football in those places always feels like hard work rather than a proper day out. I liked the original plans for a New Mem most of all.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2016 10:33:11 GMT
First Rovers game in 2014 here. Been coming back regularly ever since. You just underlined the two reasons I looked to Rovers over City. Honestly if we replaced the tent with a proper stand and did up the North Terrace bar I'd be happy. Everyone seems to assume that City's new facilities will leave us choked off for new support but I'm 24. I think we have something to offer people who want a more... I don't know... visceral match day experience? I just can't abide by sitting at football I guess. Edit: Also I can't imagine it would be the same getting the train from Shirehampton to Montpelier, walking up Glos Rd and meeting my Dad for a pint somewhere. Really wasn't fond of Kassam Stadium, for example, in some soulless retail park. Football is not just the 90 mins it's about the whole day meeting up with your mates having a drink etc some of these new stadiums leave me feeling cold I much rather going to grounds which are in the community Oxford reading Stoke Derby etc were much better days out at the old grounds loved going to places like forest charlton West Ham etc I still think with a bit of forward thinking we could have a decent ground on glos road to suit our needs because we aren't ever going to be playing in the premiership and all those moaning about the mem have short memories or never experienced twerton or eastville in the eighties I totally agree,the atmosphere at the old grounds was much better,even Upton Park since it has been redeveloped has lost much of its atmosphere,the new grounds are as you say souless,compare the Old Den to the New Den,better facilities but a sterile boring place.
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Post by Igitur on Feb 17, 2016 11:09:39 GMT
I think there's an analogy with the way US Sports have gone. In the 1970s they built big multi-sport venues desgined for people to drive to in out of town locations in order to replace dilapidated stadiums in the middle of citys. They were called cookie-cutters because they all looked the same. They very quickly became unpopular as fans hated the amount of time it took to get in and out of the stadiums and the general soullessness of the surrounds. In the 90s Cities began to realise that having a centre piece stadium near the middle of a city could be a good thing and rejuvinate an area. The idea of retro-stadiums was born and the fashion of making the fan experience something more than driving out of town became important. I believe that in the long run Englsih football could well go the same way. I agree that we can't continue the Mem in its current form but I have no real enthusiasm in regularly going to a ground in the middle of a massive car park and a long way from where the action is. The Gloucester Road is a great football experience because it encompasses more than just the game. I like very few modern new build grounds largely because of their locations and boring architecture. Going to football in those places always feels like hard work rather than a proper day out. I liked the original plans for a New Mem most of all. Totally agree with this, I have felt with these oval stadia with seats all the same colour etc that if you closed your eyes and suddenly opened them you would wonder where you were. Stadia built in remote areas or outskirts or trading estates are horrid, the trip to Colchester now really is a chore.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2016 11:17:03 GMT
I think there's an analogy with the way US Sports have gone. In the 1970s they built big multi-sport venues desgined for people to drive to in out of town locations in order to replace dilapidated stadiums in the middle of citys. They were called cookie-cutters because they all looked the same. They very quickly became unpopular as fans hated the amount of time it took to get in and out of the stadiums and the general soullessness of the surrounds. In the 90s Cities began to realise that having a centre piece stadium near the middle of a city could be a good thing and rejuvinate an area. The idea of retro-stadiums was born and the fashion of making the fan experience something more than driving out of town became important. I believe that in the long run Englsih football could well go the same way. I agree that we can't continue the Mem in its current form but I have no real enthusiasm in regularly going to a ground in the middle of a massive car park and a long way from where the action is. The Gloucester Road is a great football experience because it encompasses more than just the game. I like very few modern new build grounds largely because of their locations and boring architecture. Going to football in those places always feels like hard work rather than a proper day out. I liked the original plans for a New Mem most of all. Interesting about American stadiums. Gloucester road has something for everyone,pubs,bars,cafes,takeaways and plenty of places just off the main road. Bus routes,train station within walking distance, how would UWE be better ? more car parking I suppose but what else ?. One thing that should happen at the Mem is that all the home terraces should have a roof over them,surely that's easy to sort out ? ( and cheap ).
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