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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Oct 31, 2015 10:29:11 GMT
As someone said last night, he is one that divides opinion, but....
....can we all agree at least once, whatever camp you're in, he was brilliant v Cambridge for something other than having a cup half full?
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Post by kingswood Polak on Oct 31, 2015 10:35:24 GMT
As someone said last night, he is one that divides opinion, but.... ....can we all agree at least once, whatever camp you're in, he was brilliant v Cambridge for something other than having a cup half full? Never had a problem with him as he does a lot other than being a striker. He just needs to make more from the chances he gets |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2015 10:37:00 GMT
He's s**t, he's outstanding, truth is he's a reasonable fourth tier striker but that doesn't fit with the narrative Gasheads currently want to create around every sodding player at the club.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Oct 31, 2015 10:47:53 GMT
He's s***, he's outstanding, truth is he's a reasonable fourth tier striker but that doesn't fit with the narrative Gasheads currently want to create around every sodding player at the club. I can't work out if that's an agreement or disagreement, Chewie?! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2015 11:04:53 GMT
He's s***, he's outstanding, truth is he's a reasonable fourth tier striker but that doesn't fit with the narrative Gasheads currently want to create around every sodding player at the club. I can't work out if that's an agreement or disagreement, Chewie?! It's neither, it's a point regarding all players at the club. They're all fourth division footballers for a reason, they're either not good enough to go higher, haven't been given a chance to go higher or are too inconsistent to go higher. People never seem to look at those things though, players are either s**t or brilliant. Same applies to the management and board. It's all about the narrative. I hate everyone and everything. |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Oct 31, 2015 11:13:42 GMT
I can't work out if that's an agreement or disagreement, Chewie?! It's neither, it's a point regarding all players at the club. They're all fourth division footballers for a reason, they're either not good enough to go higher, haven't been given a chance to go higher or are too inconsistent to go higher. People never seem to look at those things though, players are either s*** or brilliant. Same applies to the management and board. It's all about the narrative. I hate everyone and everything. Thanks, chewie! In your remit there is scope to agree for at least a moment, however fleetingly amongst some of your other well put views. |
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Post by lostinspace on Oct 31, 2015 11:30:58 GMT
I can't work out if that's an agreement or disagreement, Chewie?! It's neither, it's a point regarding all players at the club. They're all fourth division footballers for a reason, they're either not good enough to go higher, haven't been given a chance to go higher or are too inconsistent to go higher. People never seem to look at those things though, players are either s*** or brilliant. Same applies to the management and board. It's all about the narrative. I hate everyone and everything. i think i need a lie down after that... |
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Post by severnbeachline on Oct 31, 2015 11:36:57 GMT
Ofc Chewbacca et al are correct in what they say but for this level Taylor's stats speak for themselves.
People who have logged into the Taylor useless narrative need to ask themselves: if this was another striker would you be sniffing at 20 goals in a début season?
Also in the first 17 games of last season he scored 3, this year it's been 6.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2015 11:52:05 GMT
I like Taylor,does a lot of work,gets in good positions and has scored some great goals.
I was thinking last night at some stage a bigger club will come into buy some Rovers players,I think the targets will be.
1.Lockyer
2.Taylor
3.Leadbitter
I am hope that I am wrong and that we hang on to them for a long time.
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Post by gass on Oct 31, 2015 13:16:34 GMT
I like Taylor,does a lot of work,gets in good positions and has scored some great goals. I was thinking last night at some stage a bigger club will come into buy some Rovers players,I think the targets will be. 1.Lockyer 2.Taylor 3.Leadbitter I am hope that I am wrong and that we hang on to them for a long time. I've heard that Lockyer and Leadbitter have been scouted by Championship clubs |
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Post by matealotblue on Oct 31, 2015 13:24:39 GMT
I like Taylor,does a lot of work,gets in good positions and has scored some great goals. I was thinking last night at some stage a bigger club will come into buy some Rovers players,I think the targets will be. 1.Lockyer 2.Taylor 3.Leadbitter I am hope that I am wrong and that we hang on to them for a long time. I've heard that Lockyer and Leadbitter have been scouted by Championship clubs Well that means the club are getting it right with coaching players to cut it in a higher league. If we are to progress that is a risk we have to live with at this level. We have to grow the club with the players or they will move and the club will not. Maybe a new stadium might help....oh hang on has that been mentioned anywhere previously? |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Oct 31, 2015 14:11:53 GMT
I like Taylor,does a lot of work,gets in good positions and has scored some great goals. I was thinking last night at some stage a bigger club will come into buy some Rovers players,I think the targets will be. 1.Lockyer 2.Taylor 3.Leadbitter I am hope that I am wrong and that we hang on to them for a long time. If Easter had the heart and work rate of Taylor then I think we would have the striker we need but he seems disinterested and I cannot knock Taylor for his heart and effort to get into scoring positions alone. I think he will come good but I think Easter just doesn't seem to have the enthusiasm to do the job we really need him to do. I, of course, hope I am wrong |
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 31, 2015 15:57:03 GMT
But are they the same type of players? Taylor's a workhorse, Easter a Michael Owen type player who's sole role his to score goals, whether it's still up to that is another question.
Taylor's problem is that he's been mainly poor at the Mem this season but brilliant away from home, typically he scored last night but missed a similar chance at home to Northampton.
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Post by Thatslife on Oct 31, 2015 16:41:50 GMT
But are they the same type of players? Taylor's a workhorse, Easter a Michael Owen type player who's sole role his to score goals, whether it's still up to that is another question. Taylor's problem is that he's been mainly poor at the Mem this season but brilliant away from home, typically he scored last night but missed a similar chance at home to Northampton. Let's not forget that this is the first season in this league for some of the players. They will need some time and games to realise their full potential |
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Post by irishrover on Nov 2, 2015 13:08:01 GMT
I agree with Chewie but I have to say I don't really understand WHY Matty Taylor divides opinion.
We signed him on a free on you would assume pretty average terms. He scored 20 goals for us in a promotion season. He seems to have adapted his game sufficiently to make a contribution to team at League 2 level in his first full season of League football. What on earth is there to dislike here?
I think people who criticise him are doing so because they want him to be something that he isn't. But on his own terms he has made a major contribution to the Rovers cause and that would still be the case if he never scored another goal for us. If anything there's far more room for difference of opinion over Easter - a player who we clearly committed a decent wadge to and who has not particularly delivered on that yet. Easter has not yet made a contribution on his own terms and according to the commitment we've made to him and the League pedigree he comes with. He was fairly peripheral in the promotion run and has yet to really stamp his mark on this season. He may do yet but I feel he deserves far more scrutiny than Matt Taylor who has been a major bonus for Rovers whatever happens from now on.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Nov 2, 2015 15:47:42 GMT
But are they the same type of players? Taylor's a workhorse, Easter a Michael Owen type player who's sole role his to score goals, whether it's still up to that is another question. Taylor's problem is that he's been mainly poor at the Mem this season but brilliant away from home, typically he scored last night but missed a similar chance at home to Northampton. It seems to me that we seem very anxious at home and then don't play with the verve that we have shown when playing away. The mem has been very quiet, many have been doling out abuse to a couple of our own players too. I think the team and fans need to redress how we deal with home games. I complained that GNI was sung too much but I'd rather have that, with enthusiasm, than the weak efforts that have been the norm of late. I am waffling here so sorry for that. I guess the gist of what I am saying is that we all have a part to play, to start winning at home |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Nov 2, 2015 16:07:21 GMT
But are they the same type of players? Taylor's a workhorse, Easter a Michael Owen type player who's sole role his to score goals, whether it's still up to that is another question. Taylor's problem is that he's been mainly poor at the Mem this season but brilliant away from home, typically he scored last night but missed a similar chance at home to Northampton. Let's not forget that this is the first season in this league for some of the players. They will need some time and games to realise their full potential I would agree in part and disagree also. I think that any part time players should be given time but that all of the pro players should know what they are doing and would want to show full potential in anycase, if only to further their own career path. This side aren't strangers so no need to talk of having time to "gel". I do still worry that some of our team look like Rabbits, caught in headlights, when playing in front of the bigger crowds at home. |
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Post by brizzle on Nov 2, 2015 16:25:16 GMT
I agree with Chewie but I have to say I don't really understand WHY Matty Taylor divides opinion. We signed him on a free on you would assume pretty average terms. He scored 20 goals for us in a promotion season. He seems to have adapted his game sufficiently to make a contribution to team at League 2 level in his first full season of League football. What on earth is there to dislike here? I think people who criticise him are doing so because they want him to be something that he isn't. But on his own terms he has made a major contribution to the Rovers cause and that would still be the case if he never scored another goal for us. If anything there's far more room for difference of opinion over Easter - a player who we clearly committed a decent wadge to and who has not particularly delivered on that yet. Easter has not yet made a contribution on his own terms and according to the commitment we've made to him and the League pedigree he comes with. He was fairly peripheral in the promotion run and has yet to really stamp his mark on this season. He may do yet but I feel he deserves far more scrutiny than Matt Taylor who has been a major bonus for Rovers whatever happens from now on. Everyone to their own of course, but I can't help but feel that some love to knock Jermaine Easter's contribution to the team simply because he has a background of playing at a higher level, and is reported to be on a good salary. Whilst the latter is probably true, I don't see him as a Garry Kenneth-type player at all. In fact I think that he has been a little unfortunate in his time here to date, particularly last season when he did pick up a nasty injury. I think that we all agree that if a player has a serious injury, then generally speaking no blame can be attached to him for that. And of course his injury did roll over to the start of this season, when he was not at peak fitness for the first few games, and again I don't hold the player to be responsible for that either. But there are signs that he is coming into a bit of form, and his goalscoring record this season is comparable to the other goalscorers at the club. His reading of the game and skill is there for everyone to see, so a donkey he ain't in my opinion at least. Despite all of this he is still only one goal behind Matt Tubbs in the League Two goalscorers list, and anyone with half a memory will remember what Tubbs' fee and wage demands were when we showed an interest in signing him last season. Interestingly though Tubbs turned us down if you remember, or perhaps he never did really consider our approach. But I do think that it's flawed logic to compare Jermaine Easter and Matty Taylor's contributions based on their respective salaries, if indeed that is what you were intending to do. The thing is, is that they are both good players for the club in my opinion, but at the same time quite different as well. One is approaching the beginning of the end of his career, whilst the other is in his prime. But they are both BRFC players who are performing well for us. What they both need is to feel the warmth of the supporters on match-days, and I'm quite certain that we'll get a good return for our investment from both of them.   |
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 2, 2015 17:45:09 GMT
Not really sure you can say Easter is performing well at the Mem, I've seen every league home game this season and I can't recall one where he's really impressed.
He never really looks that interested to me and I don't get all this pointing to the crowd when he scores, as if he's a point to prove.
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Post by severnbeachline on Nov 2, 2015 18:21:58 GMT
Is it okay to like any of our strikers?
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