brizzle
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Post by brizzle on Nov 2, 2015 18:48:35 GMT
Is it okay to like any of our strikers? . . . Or any of our players if it comes to that, at home only of course.
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Post by bangkokgas on Nov 2, 2015 19:03:45 GMT
I like Taylor,does a lot of work,gets in good positions and has scored some great goals. I was thinking last night at some stage a bigger club will come into buy some Rovers players,I think the targets will be. 1.Lockyer 2.Taylor 3.Leadbitter I am hope that I am wrong and that we hang on to them for a long time. Lockyer and Leadbitter can definately play in a higher division and worry about losing them: Taylor is a decent league 2 striker is all....
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 2, 2015 20:24:44 GMT
Is it okay to like any of our strikers? . . . Or any of our players if it comes to that, at home only of course. Only when they start winning/scoring
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 2, 2015 20:32:14 GMT
I like Taylor,does a lot of work,gets in good positions and has scored some great goals. I was thinking last night at some stage a bigger club will come into buy some Rovers players,I think the targets will be. 1.Lockyer 2.Taylor 3.Leadbitter I am hope that I am wrong and that we hang on to them for a long time. Lockyer and Leadbitter can definately play in a higher division and worry about losing them: Taylor is a decent league 2 striker is all.... I can't see how posters can say Leadbitter is good enough to play at an higher level when he can't even hold down a 1st team place in a Div 2 side? That's means DC is unfairly dropping him or, which I feel is the case, he needs to make big improvements to his defensive game before he can even be considered a decent Div 2 defender. Just because Smith managed it doesn't necessarily mean Leadbitter can as well.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2015 20:35:30 GMT
I like Taylor,does a lot of work,gets in good positions and has scored some great goals. I was thinking last night at some stage a bigger club will come into buy some Rovers players,I think the targets will be. 1.Lockyer 2.Taylor 3.Leadbitter I am hope that I am wrong and that we hang on to them for a long time. Lockyer and Leadbitter can definately play in a higher division and worry about losing them: Taylor is a decent league 2 striker is all.... At a bigger club surrounded by better players and with better coaching staff I am sure that Taylor could play one division higher.. I am amazed that nobody has taken Lockyer yet,and very happy from Rovers point of view.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2015 20:38:25 GMT
Lockyer and Leadbitter can definately play in a higher division and worry about losing them: Taylor is a decent league 2 striker is all.... I can't see how posters can say Leadbitter is good enough to play at an higher level when he can't even hold down a 1st team place in a Div 2 side? That's means DC is unfairly dropping him or, which I feel is the case, he needs to make big improvements to his defensive game before he can even be considered a decent Div 2 defender. Just because Smith managed it doesn't necessarily mean Leadbitter can as well. I think that Leadbitter gets dropped when Rovers play a back 4 ?.. I think that the squads a bit unbalanced at the moment,no natural right back and no left wing back.
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 2, 2015 20:54:56 GMT
But if he can't play RB in a flat back 4 in Div 2 are Div 1 teams really going to be rushing to sign him?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2015 21:02:38 GMT
But if he can't play RB in a flat back 4 in Div 2 are Div 1 teams really going to be rushing to sign him? Well they aren't rushing,but if they want a right wingback someone might come in. I hope not really because I think that he is a promising young player,and a very polite person,a credit to the club.
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Post by 4figga on Nov 2, 2015 21:02:53 GMT
Leadbitter clearly has potential, most things he's poor at I can only see coming with a few more years under his belt. I could easily see a L1 throwing 50k and saying we'll see, can't see an offer coming in we'd accept though.
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 2, 2015 21:07:39 GMT
Leadbitter clearly has potential, most things he's poor at I can only see coming with a few more years under his belt. I could easily see a L1 throwing 50k and saying we'll see, can't see an offer coming in we'd accept though. It's not like we're strapped for cash at the moment!
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Post by irishrover on Nov 3, 2015 11:05:14 GMT
I agree with Chewie but I have to say I don't really understand WHY Matty Taylor divides opinion. We signed him on a free on you would assume pretty average terms. He scored 20 goals for us in a promotion season. He seems to have adapted his game sufficiently to make a contribution to team at League 2 level in his first full season of League football. What on earth is there to dislike here? I think people who criticise him are doing so because they want him to be something that he isn't. But on his own terms he has made a major contribution to the Rovers cause and that would still be the case if he never scored another goal for us. If anything there's far more room for difference of opinion over Easter - a player who we clearly committed a decent wadge to and who has not particularly delivered on that yet. Easter has not yet made a contribution on his own terms and according to the commitment we've made to him and the League pedigree he comes with. He was fairly peripheral in the promotion run and has yet to really stamp his mark on this season. He may do yet but I feel he deserves far more scrutiny than Matt Taylor who has been a major bonus for Rovers whatever happens from now on. Everyone to their own of course, but I can't help but feel that some love to knock Jermaine Easter's contribution to the team simply because he has a background of playing at a higher level, and is reported to be on a good salary. Whilst the latter is probably true, I don't see him as a Garry Kenneth-type player at all. In fact I think that he has been a little unfortunate in his time here to date, particularly last season when he did pick up a nasty injury. I think that we all agree that if a player has a serious injury, then generally speaking no blame can be attached to him for that. And of course his injury did roll over to the start of this season, when he was not at peak fitness for the first few games, and again I don't hold the player to be responsible for that either. But there are signs that he is coming into a bit of form, and his goalscoring record this season is comparable to the other goalscorers at the club. His reading of the game and skill is there for everyone to see, so a donkey he ain't in my opinion at least. Despite all of this he is still only one goal behind Matt Tubbs in the League Two goalscorers list, and anyone with half a memory will remember what Tubbs' fee and wage demands were when we showed an interest in signing him last season. Interestingly though Tubbs turned us down if you remember, or perhaps he never did really consider our approach. But I do think that it's flawed logic to compare Jermaine Easter and Matty Taylor's contributions based on their respective salaries, if indeed that is what you were intending to do. The thing is, is that they are both good players for the club in my opinion, but at the same time quite different as well. One is approaching the beginning of the end of his career, whilst the other is in his prime. But they are both BRFC players who are performing well for us. What they both need is to feel the warmth of the supporters on match-days, and I'm quite certain that we'll get a good return for our investment from both of them. I wasn't really taking a pop at Easter - just observing that he seems to get a large benefit of the doubt which Taylor doesn't.
I think when judging the contribution of a player you do need to take into account the context of their career and the expectations that we would have of them. You wouldn't judge Rickie Lambert on the same terms as, say, Richard Walker but they both had very successful careers for Rovers. Taylor has more than delivered on what you might have reasonably expected of him, Easter hasn't yet. I don't think that's an unreasonable point to make. It doesn't mean he's done nothing but I feel we're entitled to think that there's more to come from him if he is considered to have been a complete success as a Rovers player. For me Taylor has already been a successful player for Rovers even if he never plays another game.
We're a club with limited resources, if we commit more of those resources to players then I think it's fair that we expect them to make more of a key contribution than others. So it's not so much criticising as saying I don't really understand the stick Taylor gets sometimes when for me if any of our forwards should be subject to that level of scrutiny then it should be Easter.
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Post by gashead1979 on Nov 3, 2015 12:11:48 GMT
Everyone to their own of course, but I can't help but feel that some love to knock Jermaine Easter's contribution to the team simply because he has a background of playing at a higher level, and is reported to be on a good salary. Whilst the latter is probably true, I don't see him as a Garry Kenneth-type player at all. In fact I think that he has been a little unfortunate in his time here to date, particularly last season when he did pick up a nasty injury. I think that we all agree that if a player has a serious injury, then generally speaking no blame can be attached to him for that. And of course his injury did roll over to the start of this season, when he was not at peak fitness for the first few games, and again I don't hold the player to be responsible for that either. But there are signs that he is coming into a bit of form, and his goalscoring record this season is comparable to the other goalscorers at the club. His reading of the game and skill is there for everyone to see, so a donkey he ain't in my opinion at least. Despite all of this he is still only one goal behind Matt Tubbs in the League Two goalscorers list, and anyone with half a memory will remember what Tubbs' fee and wage demands were when we showed an interest in signing him last season. Interestingly though Tubbs turned us down if you remember, or perhaps he never did really consider our approach. But I do think that it's flawed logic to compare Jermaine Easter and Matty Taylor's contributions based on their respective salaries, if indeed that is what you were intending to do. The thing is, is that they are both good players for the club in my opinion, but at the same time quite different as well. One is approaching the beginning of the end of his career, whilst the other is in his prime. But they are both BRFC players who are performing well for us. What they both need is to feel the warmth of the supporters on match-days, and I'm quite certain that we'll get a good return for our investment from both of them. I wasn't really taking a pop at Easter - just observing that he seems to get a large benefit of the doubt which Taylor doesn't.
I think when judging the contribution of a player you do need to take into account the context of their career and the expectations that we would have of them. You wouldn't judge Rickie Lambert on the same terms as, say, Richard Walker but they both had very successful careers for Rovers. Taylor has more than delivered on what you might have reasonably expected of him, Easter hasn't yet. I don't think that's an unreasonable point to make. It doesn't mean he's done nothing but I feel we're entitled to think that there's more to come from him if he is considered to have been a complete success as a Rovers player. For me Taylor has already been a successful player for Rovers even if he never plays another game.
We're a club with limited resources, if we commit more of those resources to players then I think it's fair that we expect them to make more of a key contribution than others. So it's not so much criticising as saying I don't really understand the stick Taylor gets sometimes when for me if any of our forwards should be subject to that level of scrutiny then it should be Easter.
Anyone heard what % of fitness Easter is at currently? Seems to always be "not fully fit"...maybe that washes with many fans and covers for his lack of goals
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