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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Oct 31, 2015 15:36:40 GMT
So they didn't realise this eventuality could have occurred? Whatever your views are on 3pm Saturday kick offs the FA have never hidden the fact that ties will be moved to suit broadcasters. It's a bit rich to enter a competition and then complain about the rules. Sorry it may offend some but they as a club have actually done nothing that has effected the outcome and will happily cash the cheque that they receive. Said weeks ago they might refuse to cooperate when there was no money involved but when money was involved they'd play ball. No amount of hot air or votes at an AGM after the event changes that. I agree with you about they knew the rules beofre entering the competition but I don't think you can claim they've changed their stance because of the money, they are a cash rich club and don't need it and are already considering how that money can be used within their community programme and not for their football club. They've even found a way around having to charge more for the game than they want to by issuing a voucher to fans both home and away to use to buy refreshments with. I think they've done as much as they can to remain within their principles based on what they are able to do, they've clearly made their views known, good for them, lets not try and sully what they have done by claiming they've been turned by the money as that is clearly not the case. In every business there is one pot of money how you spend it is up to those in charge, those on charge have decided to spend it on the community issue. Did they have a vote on that? I bet not same old hot air but some people like this hot air because they brought the publicity. Sorry if I've seen through it
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2015 18:00:27 GMT
I agree with you about they knew the rules beofre entering the competition but I don't think you can claim they've changed their stance because of the money, they are a cash rich club and don't need it and are already considering how that money can be used within their community programme and not for their football club. They've even found a way around having to charge more for the game than they want to by issuing a voucher to fans both home and away to use to buy refreshments with. I think they've done as much as they can to remain within their principles based on what they are able to do, they've clearly made their views known, good for them, lets not try and sully what they have done by claiming they've been turned by the money as that is clearly not the case. In every business there is one pot of money how you spend it is up to those in charge, those on charge have decided to spend it on the community issue. Did they have a vote on that? I bet not same old hot air but some people like this hot air because they brought the publicity. Sorry if I've seen through it I don't think you've seen through anything. You've just seen what you want to see and decided that you're right.
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Post by JeffNZ on Oct 31, 2015 20:43:19 GMT
I looked at the FCUM website - it's a fabulous website reflecting a fabulous set-up. The FA should be promoting that model heavily. I agree, a very simple yet extremely informative website. What I also like is the commitment to adhering to their well documented 'fans values'. They have been forced not to apply those values by those with the power money. An example of this is the forced imposition of the minimum £10 entrance fee when the usual cost is £9. In a wonderful example of "putting your money where your mouth is", this is their response: FC United’s usual price is £9. If the minimum adult price of £10 is applied, FC United will be issuing a £1 voucher to all adult ticket holders that they can spend on food and drink or merchandise at the ground. This offer will be extended to away supporters. FC United will pick up this cost and this will not affect the division of gate receipts with Chesterfield FC. Link HereHow superbly refreshing in a game so perversely dominated by money.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2015 20:50:54 GMT
I looked at the FCUM website - it's a fabulous website reflecting a fabulous set-up. The FA should be promoting that model heavily. I agree, a very simple yet extremely informative website. What I also like is the commitment to adhering to their well documented 'fans values'. They have been forced not to apply those values by those with the power money. An example of this is the forced imposition of the minimum £10 entrance fee when the usual cost is £9. In a wonderful example of "putting your money where your mouth is", this is their response: FC United’s usual price is £9. If the minimum adult price of £10 is applied, FC United will be issuing a £1 voucher to all adult ticket holders that they can spend on food and drink or merchandise at the ground. This offer will be extended to away supporters. FC United will pick up this cost and this will not affect the division of gate receipts with Chesterfield FC. Link HereHow superbly refreshing in a game so perversely dominated by money. Along pops CountyGroundGas to point out that the evil profiteers at FCUM will still make money on the markup between cost price and retail price on the food and drink...
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Post by Bridgeman on Oct 31, 2015 21:17:02 GMT
I looked at the FCUM website - it's a fabulous website reflecting a fabulous set-up. The FA should be promoting that model heavily. I agree, a very simple yet extremely informative website. What I also liked is the commitment to adhering to their well documented 'fans values'. They have been forced not to apply those values by those with the power money. An example of this is the forced imposition of the minimum £10 entrance fee when the usual cost is £9. In a wonderful example of "putting your money where your mouth is", this is their response: FC United’s usual price is £9. If the minimum adult price of £10 is applied, FC United will be issuing a £1 voucher to all adult ticket holders that they can spend on food and drink or merchandise at the ground. This offer will be extended to away supporters. FC United will pick up this cost and this will not affect the division of gate receipts with Chesterfield FC. Link HereHow superbly refreshing in a game so perversely dominated by money. Exactly, whilst financially they are in a position to enable them to apply their 'fans values' principles what they cannot do is 'to cut off their nose to spite their face', of course they knew what the rules of the competition were when they entered it but if they're not in it how can they challenge the unfair exploitation of fans. The running of the club is far more accountable to the fans than many others I know of, if you want to be cynical of how accountable they are then that is people's choice. The fans and the board of Directors who are the custodians of FC United are to be congratulated for at least trying to break the mould.
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Nov 1, 2015 11:12:34 GMT
I agree, a very simple yet extremely informative website. What I also like is the commitment to adhering to their well documented 'fans values'. They have been forced not to apply those values by those with the power money. An example of this is the forced imposition of the minimum £10 entrance fee when the usual cost is £9. In a wonderful example of "putting your money where your mouth is", this is their response: FC United’s usual price is £9. If the minimum adult price of £10 is applied, FC United will be issuing a £1 voucher to all adult ticket holders that they can spend on food and drink or merchandise at the ground. This offer will be extended to away supporters. FC United will pick up this cost and this will not affect the division of gate receipts with Chesterfield FC. Link HereHow superbly refreshing in a game so perversely dominated by money. Along pops CountyGroundGas to point out that the evil profiteers at FCUM will still make money on the markup between cost price and retail price on the food and drink... As you've started it, exctly what cost our they picking up? I'm sure they aren't just making things?
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Post by laughinggas on Nov 1, 2015 11:16:47 GMT
They are charging fans £10 as dictated by the FA, then they are giving £1 vouchers out to be used as stated above. These £1 vouchers are paid by the club and not taken out of the receipt pot which is split between the FA and the 2 clubs. So if 6,000 attend and they all use their vouchers it will 'cost' them £6,000.
Say 'cost' as pointed out there may be some profit in what they sell, but if everyone used their voucher against a cup of tea doubt that would be much.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2015 11:39:51 GMT
Along pops CountyGroundGas to point out that the evil profiteers at FCUM will still make money on the markup between cost price and retail price on the food and drink... As you've started it, exctly what cost our they picking up? I'm sure they aren't just making things? Sorry, you've lost me.
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Nov 1, 2015 12:51:17 GMT
As you've started it, exctly what cost our they picking up? I'm sure they aren't just making things? Sorry, you've lost me. Well that isn't hard is it
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 1, 2015 14:28:28 GMT
Feel posters are missing the bigger influence of TV money, where do posters think the increased awards for winning each round now come. Also what about if we get to the 3rd Round and play Man U, should we also turn the £100K's of TV money that can bring, as we can't pick & choose which game is shown live. There's also the flip side of the argument that some fans may sooner attend a Sunday game than a Saturday match.
I've been told we'll get £12K which seems too much cash to turn down, even if we could.
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Post by keygas on Nov 1, 2015 15:41:56 GMT
Feel posters are missing the bigger influence of TV money, where do posters think the increased awards for winning each round now come. Also what about if we get to the 3rd Round and play Man U, should we also turn the £100K's of TV money that can bring, as we can't pick & choose which game is shown live. There's also the flip side of the argument that some fans may sooner attend a Sunday game than a Saturday match. I've been told we'll get £12K which seems too much cash to turn down, even if we could. The payment for single camara coverage is £12500 & when you add £18000 prize money to the winners plus a share of gate receipts, the tie could become guide a good money earner.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Nov 1, 2015 18:05:46 GMT
Well that isn't hard is it Oooooooooooooooooooo.......matron!? (sorry - hasn't been done for a while!)
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Post by LPGas on Nov 1, 2015 19:00:09 GMT
I don't think Wycombe ever beat us while they were non league. Plenty of others have though! 1993/4 was Wycombe's first season as League club. and hopefully 2015/16 will be their last
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Post by LPGas on Nov 1, 2015 19:08:04 GMT
A few years back Frome could not raise a team on a Tuesday night to play in Cornwall so they forfeited the game. The FA then banned them for 3 years
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Post by Rex on Nov 1, 2015 21:43:06 GMT
In every business there is one pot of money how you spend it is up to those in charge, those on charge have decided to spend it on the community issue. Did they have a vote on that? I bet not same old hot air but some people like this hot air because they brought the publicity. Sorry if I've seen through it I don't think you've seen through anything. You've just seen what you want to see and decided that you're right. Did you really post this at 3.36pm yesterday? I'm sure the beer was well and truly flowing by then!
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Nov 2, 2015 10:05:01 GMT
I don't think you've seen through anything. You've just seen what you want to see and decided that you're right. Did you really post this at 3.36pm yesterday? I'm sure the beer was well and truly flowing by then! Who knows but I was in a very long queue for the toilets about then, where's a train when you need it
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Post by irishrover on Nov 2, 2015 14:07:25 GMT
So they didn't realise this eventuality could have occurred? Whatever your views are on 3pm Saturday kick offs the FA have never hidden the fact that ties will be moved to suit broadcasters. It's a bit rich to enter a competition and then complain about the rules. Sorry it may offend some but they as a club have actually done nothing that has effected the outcome and will happily cash the cheque that they receive. Said weeks ago they might refuse to cooperate when there was no money involved but when money was involved they'd play ball. No amount of hot air or votes at an AGM after the event changes that. I agree with you about they knew the rules beofre entering the competition but I don't think you can claim they've changed their stance because of the money, they are a cash rich club and don't need it and are already considering how that money can be used within their community programme and not for their football club. They've even found a way around having to charge more for the game than they want to by issuing a voucher to fans both home and away to use to buy refreshments with. I think they've done as much as they can to remain within their principles based on what they are able to do, they've clearly made their views known, good for them, lets not try and sully what they have done by claiming they've been turned by the money as that is clearly not the case. More importantly though it's not a zero-sum game. It's not a case of having a strict set of do or die principles and if you don't follow them to the letter then you may as well not bother at all. That's not the point and it's not the way democratic organisations work. The point is to run a football club on a democratic basis and that means positions and attitudes will change and evolve overtime. The point that FC United were making here was quite a modest one really - they haven't gone to war over this and it's caused a huge amount of internal debate. They weren't objecting to the game being televised but were complaining that they had no control over when it was played. They were happy to compromise on it being played at any time over the weekend what they didn't want was a Monday or Friday night kick off and they have made a complaint about that and asked for these things to be taken into consideration in the future. FC United is democratic and like all democratic organisations there are people with different and competing motivations - there are some people that just want to run an affordable football club in Manchester, some who want the club to go as high as possible, some who want them to stay non-league and semi-professional, some who want to represent a whole new way of doing football etc. There isn't one single vision - it's messy and complicated as these things usually are but the point is that ultimately the fans decide together which direction the club will go in. On this there already seem to be a set of people within the club arguing that it should withdraw from competitions that impose these restrictions on clubs and another set believe that this has to be accepted and I imagine that will be a major dividing line as the club evolves now it has reached a level where this is likely to come up regularly; at least this stuff gets discussed though and fans have some control rather than having something imposed upon them from above.
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Post by lulworthgas on Nov 2, 2015 15:10:55 GMT
People are missing the bigger picture here. At least with this kick off time and it being rememberance Sunday, fans who turn up early will be able to see Carstairs et al, turning up in their masses to pay respects to the fallen at Bristols most famous and precious war memorial. Personally I hope they dont go near the place as they never have done in the past. Still you never know.
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Post by matealotblue on Nov 2, 2015 15:49:09 GMT
People are missing the bigger picture here. At least with this kick off time and it being rememberance Sunday, fans who turn up early will be able to see Carstairs et al, turning up in their masses to pay respects to the fallen at Bristols most famous and precious war memorial. Personally I hope they dont go near the place as they never have done in the past. Still you never know. Suspect he barely knows where it is and would have difficulty with his missing grey cells in finding it on his own
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Post by severnbeachline on Nov 2, 2015 16:18:37 GMT
People are missing the bigger picture here. At least with this kick off time and it being rememberance Sunday, fans who turn up early will be able to see Carstairs et al, turning up in their masses to pay respects to the fallen at Bristols most famous and precious war memorial. Personally I hope they dont go near the place as they never have done in the past. Still you never know. pahahahahah. Have tweeted Daniella R with this. Wonder if I'll get a reply...
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