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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2015 14:02:54 GMT
The BBC have got a "live highlights" programme planned, a bit like NFL Redzone (which works because its actually live, as opposed to just happened). Utter, utter bollocks and I will be writing to the FA, the BBC and Rovers to register my displeasure. That'll show them! This is the kind of thing that our supporter's club should be canvassing its members about. The supporters club will only get involved in the event of a replay, in which case they will organise a coach. |
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Post by irishrover on Oct 29, 2015 14:35:31 GMT
3 times I've missed watching Rovers recently because of various re-arrangements - if you don't get to see them very often then it's really bloody annoying. But I think this is a complete joke from the BBC. No mark against the club at all - obviously they'll take the money. But I'm fed up with the game being designed to make as much money as possible from the 'casual' fan at the expense of the committed core supporter. FC United were even told that they weren't allowed to turn down a TV fixture because that took precedent. So that's a fan own club with a set of distinct principles having a scenario imposed upon them through the TV company by the FA against their wishes. They didn't want the money - again fans put at the bottom of the priority ladder. Maybe FC United should have bitten the bullet and called the Beebs bluff and refuse to move the game. I believe this was suggested but the sanction was to risk being thrown out of the tournament (it was actually BT Sport but same deal). I don't think FC United want to be deliberate pains in the arse and they'll probably pick their battles - but I think they are rightly pointing out that as a fan owned club playing in a stadium that was built by those fans that they have some right over when they should play the games and how much they should charge. As it happens they are keeping their prices below the FA's agreed rate and making up the difference by giving everyone a £1 voucher for food and drink. I think what bugged them was that it was moved to a Monday night against their wishes when they'd been prepared to compromise for other times over the weekend. |
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Post by Rex on Oct 29, 2015 16:34:25 GMT
Maybe FC United should have bitten the bullet and called the Beebs bluff and refuse to move the game. I believe this was suggested but the sanction was to risk being thrown out of the tournament (it was actually BT Sport but same deal). I don't think FC United want to be deliberate pains in the arse and they'll probably pick their battles - but I think they are rightly pointing out that as a fan owned club playing in a stadium that was built by those fans that they have some right over when they should play the games and how much they should charge. As it happens they are keeping their prices below the FA's agreed rate and making up the difference by giving everyone a £1 voucher for food and drink. I think what bugged them was that it was moved to a Monday night against their wishes when they'd been prepared to compromise for other times over the weekend. I think BTSport would have backed down. |
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Post by harrybuckle on Oct 29, 2015 18:53:30 GMT
Never lost at home to a non league Club in Rovers history ...1920 to 2015
Played 27 Won 23 Drew 4 Lost 0 goals scored 78 and 16 conceded.
Four draws were Llanelly 1950, Kettering 1969, Runcorn 2002 and Carlisle 2004
Long may this record continue
Cheating scum Wycombe beat us in the cup 2-1 in 1993...this was before they became cheating scum Wycombe Chairboys were a FL club back then ...1993 was their first season in League under Martin O'Neill when they beat us |
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Post by irishrover on Oct 29, 2015 20:08:55 GMT
I believe this was suggested but the sanction was to risk being thrown out of the tournament (it was actually BT Sport but same deal). I don't think FC United want to be deliberate pains in the arse and they'll probably pick their battles - but I think they are rightly pointing out that as a fan owned club playing in a stadium that was built by those fans that they have some right over when they should play the games and how much they should charge. As it happens they are keeping their prices below the FA's agreed rate and making up the difference by giving everyone a £1 voucher for food and drink. I think what bugged them was that it was moved to a Monday night against their wishes when they'd been prepared to compromise for other times over the weekend. I think BTSport would have backed down. Be an interesting one wouldn't it. I just don't think FC United quite had the stomach for that particular fight at this stage - FA Cup 1st Round game is still a pretty big deal for them and probably not worth jeopardising relations over. I imagine they'll have a proper strategy in place for the next time this happens though. |
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Post by crater on Oct 29, 2015 21:34:23 GMT
Cheating scum Wycombe beat us in the cup 2-1 in 1993...this was before they became cheating scum Wycombe Chairboys were a FL club back then ...1993 was their first season in League under Martin O'Neill when they beat us I stand corrected. Memory from past years clearly not as good as I thought. I do, however, stand by my cheating scum comment though. |
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Oct 30, 2015 9:50:38 GMT
I think BTSport would have backed down. Be an interesting one wouldn't it. I just don't think FC United quite had the stomach for that particular fight at this stage - FA Cup 1st Round game is still a pretty big deal for them and probably not worth jeopardising relations over. I imagine they'll have a proper strategy in place for the next time this happens though. Sounds like your saying that FCManchester want to make the point to their fans that it isn't their idea but actually we're very happy taking the £65k. Did say the other week when they refused to participate in something the beeb wanted that they wouldn't refuse when £65k was on the table. Much the same as every other club in the country who spout hot air about bring there for the fans and then choose whatever option makes the most money. |
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Post by Bridgeman on Oct 30, 2015 10:26:50 GMT
Be an interesting one wouldn't it. I just don't think FC United quite had the stomach for that particular fight at this stage - FA Cup 1st Round game is still a pretty big deal for them and probably not worth jeopardising relations over. I imagine they'll have a proper strategy in place for the next time this happens though. Sounds like your saying that FCManchester want to make the point to their fans that it isn't their idea but actually we're very happy taking the £65k. Did say the other week when they refused to participate in something the beeb wanted that they wouldn't refuse when £65k was on the table. Much the same as every other club in the country who spout hot air about bring there for the fans and then choose whatever option makes the most money. I think it would have been a very big call for them to allow themselves to be expelled from the competition particularly as it is the first time FC United have reached the first round proper of the FA Cup. It could possibly have put in jeopardy their involvement in future years, aren't clubs 'invited' to participate ? I don't think the match fee of £65,000 would have played any significant part to play in their decision to eventually accede to the BBC's request to play the game on a Monday night. It's not as if they need the money unlike some other league or non-league clubs. |
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Post by irishrover on Oct 30, 2015 11:19:44 GMT
Be an interesting one wouldn't it. I just don't think FC United quite had the stomach for that particular fight at this stage - FA Cup 1st Round game is still a pretty big deal for them and probably not worth jeopardising relations over. I imagine they'll have a proper strategy in place for the next time this happens though. Sounds like your saying that FCManchester want to make the point to their fans that it isn't their idea but actually we're very happy taking the £65k. Did say the other week when they refused to participate in something the beeb wanted that they wouldn't refuse when £65k was on the table. Much the same as every other club in the country who spout hot air about bring there for the fans and then choose whatever option makes the most money. No I don't think that's true. They formally wrote to the FA requesting their desire to not have the game moved and lobbied them to that effect - they also proposed alternative times. They are also debating giving the money away at a board meeting I believe or at least not investing into the 1st team and facilities but into their community programme. But I don't think they were prepared to go as far as to risk being chucked out of the competition which is what they were risking. |
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Post by Peter Parker on Oct 30, 2015 11:29:25 GMT
I assume it is the rule about live games at Saturday 3 o’clock that mean that these games have had to be moved.
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Oct 30, 2015 11:48:00 GMT
Sounds like your saying that FCManchester want to make the point to their fans that it isn't their idea but actually we're very happy taking the £65k. Did say the other week when they refused to participate in something the beeb wanted that they wouldn't refuse when £65k was on the table. Much the same as every other club in the country who spout hot air about bring there for the fans and then choose whatever option makes the most money. No I don't think that's true. They formally wrote to the FA requesting their desire to not have the game moved and lobbied them to that effect - they also proposed alternative times. They are also debating giving the money away at a board meeting I believe or at least not investing into the 1st team and facilities but into their community programme. But I don't think they were prepared to go as far as to risk being chucked out of the competition which is what they were risking. So yep talking about the fans but just carrying on and taking the money. Amazing what football fans will believe and accept. Perhaps before entering the FA Cup they should have looked at the rules and the rights of the broadcasters to Change kick offs. If you don't like the rules don't enter. |
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Post by faggotygas on Oct 30, 2015 12:00:03 GMT
I assume it is the rule about live games at Saturday 3 o’clock that mean that these games have had to be moved. Of course. Ridiculous though that the BBC are inconveniencing so many fans by having this live highlights programme at all, and that the FA have agreed to it. |
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Post by severnbeachline on Oct 30, 2015 12:28:18 GMT
I assume it is the rule about live games at Saturday 3 o’clock that mean that these games have had to be moved. Of course. Ridiculous though that the BBC are inconveniencing so many fans by having this live highlights programme at all, and that the FA have agreed to it. Faggoty, it's 2015 man. Why would you rather go watch a game of football in real life when you could half-watch several games of football from the comfort of your sofa? |
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Post by faggotygas on Oct 30, 2015 13:18:30 GMT
Of course. Ridiculous though that the BBC are inconveniencing so many fans by having this live highlights programme at all, and that the FA have agreed to it. Faggoty, it's 2015 man. Why would you rather go watch a game of football in real life when you could half-watch several games of football from the comfort of your sofa? Innit.
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Post by dido on Oct 30, 2015 14:14:36 GMT
Easy for you.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2015 15:07:41 GMT
No I don't think that's true. They formally wrote to the FA requesting their desire to not have the game moved and lobbied them to that effect - they also proposed alternative times. They are also debating giving the money away at a board meeting I believe or at least not investing into the 1st team and facilities but into their community programme. But I don't think they were prepared to go as far as to risk being chucked out of the competition which is what they were risking. So yep talking about the fans but just carrying on and taking the money. Amazing what football fans will believe and accept. Perhaps before entering the FA Cup they should have looked at the rules and the rights of the broadcasters to Change kick offs. If you don't like the rules don't enter. I think you're being deliberately obtuse. They're a football club that has just qualified for one of the world's most prestigious tournaments for the first time. They would happily have turned down the money and not been on TV, but the rules prevent them from doing that and remaining in the competition. That's not their fault. |
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Post by irishrover on Oct 30, 2015 15:11:30 GMT
No I don't think that's true. They formally wrote to the FA requesting their desire to not have the game moved and lobbied them to that effect - they also proposed alternative times. They are also debating giving the money away at a board meeting I believe or at least not investing into the 1st team and facilities but into their community programme. But I don't think they were prepared to go as far as to risk being chucked out of the competition which is what they were risking. So yep talking about the fans but just carrying on and taking the money. Amazing what football fans will believe and accept. Perhaps before entering the FA Cup they should have looked at the rules and the rights of the broadcasters to Change kick offs. If you don't like the rules don't enter. Except that it doesn't work like that because it is ultimately fans making the decisions on a democratic basis rather than having a solution/decision imposed on them by a board of directors over which they have no practical influence. So if the FC United fans chose to object to this then they could in a number of different ways. As this situation hasn't come up before for them I imagine it will probably result in the members of the club debating and voting on a policy regarding the clubs attitude to televised games at the next AGM because that is how they work. As a general rule one of the big factors in FC United's founding was the objection to TV companys moving games to unsociable times and the move away from 3PM Saturday Kick Off Times. This isn't about the money - it's about how far you are prepared to go to uphold a principle. It's not a case of all or nothing on this or about acting alone and I think there is a growing frustration generally (what's happened to Rovers is ridiculous and I can't imagine we're really getting very much money for that in any case); I imagine FC United see themselves as being around for a while and that this is likely to come up again so this is just an opening salvo that will allow them to figure out where their fans are at on this issue. Plus there is also Chesterfield to consider in this as well. I think you could reasonably argue that the FA Cup is a competition that is owned by its members (ie the clubs and regional associations) and therefore within reason it should take their perspectives and needs into consideration. In theory at least the FA Cup is not a commercial competition unlike the Football League, Premier League and League Cup so it's not just a case of 'you pays your money you takes your choice'; in the case of the FA Cup the members in theory have a say in the competitions procedures. They are stakeholders in it, not just competition entrants. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2015 15:42:54 GMT
I looked at the FCUM website - it's a fabulous website reflecting a fabulous set-up. The FA should be promoting that model heavily.
On this issue, I think they're right. They're a football club (that's the point of them), that entered a football competition, and now have a game against Chesterfield. They've sought and established the best way of playing that game for the benefit of the fans within the rules of the competition. Like Irish said earlier, it's a question of picking your fights and playing the long game. What's the best way of being a football club run on your principles? It can't be to withdraw from a football competition. At least they've raised the issue and got wider discussion and maybe buy-in for it.
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Oct 30, 2015 16:00:39 GMT
So yep talking about the fans but just carrying on and taking the money. Amazing what football fans will believe and accept. Perhaps before entering the FA Cup they should have looked at the rules and the rights of the broadcasters to Change kick offs. If you don't like the rules don't enter. Except that it doesn't work like that because it is ultimately fans making the decisions on a democratic basis rather than having a solution/decision imposed on them by a board of directors over which they have no practical influence. So if the FC United fans chose to object to this then they could in a number of different ways. As this situation hasn't come up before for them I imagine it will probably result in the members of the club debating and voting on a policy regarding the clubs attitude to televised games at the next AGM because that is how they work. As a general rule one of the big factors in FC United's founding was the objection to TV companys moving games to unsociable times and the move away from 3PM Saturday Kick Off Times. This isn't about the money - it's about how far you are prepared to go to uphold a principle. It's not a case of all or nothing on this or about acting alone and I think there is a growing frustration generally (what's happened to Rovers is ridiculous and I can't imagine we're really getting very much money for that in any case); I imagine FC United see themselves as being around for a while and that this is likely to come up again so this is just an opening salvo that will allow them to figure out where their fans are at on this issue. Plus there is also Chesterfield to consider in this as well. I think you could reasonably argue that the FA Cup is a competition that is owned by its members (ie the clubs and regional associations) and therefore within reason it should take their perspectives and needs into consideration. In theory at least the FA Cup is not a commercial competition unlike the Football League, Premier League and League Cup so it's not just a case of 'you pays your money you takes your choice'; in the case of the FA Cup the members in theory have a say in the competitions procedures. They are stakeholders in it, not just competition entrants. So they didn't realise this eventuality could have occurred? Whatever your views are on 3pm Saturday kick offs the FA have never hidden the fact that ties will be moved to suit broadcasters. It's a bit rich to enter a competition and then complain about the rules. Sorry it may offend some but they as a club have actually done nothing that has effected the outcome and will happily cash the cheque that they receive. Said weeks ago they might refuse to cooperate when there was no money involved but when money was involved they'd play ball. No amount of hot air or votes at an AGM after the event changes that. |
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Post by Bridgeman on Oct 31, 2015 10:27:35 GMT
Except that it doesn't work like that because it is ultimately fans making the decisions on a democratic basis rather than having a solution/decision imposed on them by a board of directors over which they have no practical influence. So if the FC United fans chose to object to this then they could in a number of different ways. As this situation hasn't come up before for them I imagine it will probably result in the members of the club debating and voting on a policy regarding the clubs attitude to televised games at the next AGM because that is how they work. As a general rule one of the big factors in FC United's founding was the objection to TV companys moving games to unsociable times and the move away from 3PM Saturday Kick Off Times. This isn't about the money - it's about how far you are prepared to go to uphold a principle. It's not a case of all or nothing on this or about acting alone and I think there is a growing frustration generally (what's happened to Rovers is ridiculous and I can't imagine we're really getting very much money for that in any case); I imagine FC United see themselves as being around for a while and that this is likely to come up again so this is just an opening salvo that will allow them to figure out where their fans are at on this issue. Plus there is also Chesterfield to consider in this as well. I think you could reasonably argue that the FA Cup is a competition that is owned by its members (ie the clubs and regional associations) and therefore within reason it should take their perspectives and needs into consideration. In theory at least the FA Cup is not a commercial competition unlike the Football League, Premier League and League Cup so it's not just a case of 'you pays your money you takes your choice'; in the case of the FA Cup the members in theory have a say in the competitions procedures. They are stakeholders in it, not just competition entrants. So they didn't realise this eventuality could have occurred? Whatever your views are on 3pm Saturday kick offs the FA have never hidden the fact that ties will be moved to suit broadcasters. It's a bit rich to enter a competition and then complain about the rules. Sorry it may offend some but they as a club have actually done nothing that has effected the outcome and will happily cash the cheque that they receive. Said weeks ago they might refuse to cooperate when there was no money involved but when money was involved they'd play ball. No amount of hot air or votes at an AGM after the event changes that. I agree with you about they knew the rules beofre entering the competition but I don't think you can claim they've changed their stance because of the money, they are a cash rich club and don't need it and are already considering how that money can be used within their community programme and not for their football club. They've even found a way around having to charge more for the game than they want to by issuing a voucher to fans both home and away to use to buy refreshments with. I think they've done as much as they can to remain within their principles based on what they are able to do, they've clearly made their views known, good for them, lets not try and sully what they have done by claiming they've been turned by the money as that is clearly not the case. |
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