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Post by PessimistGas on Sept 28, 2015 11:24:02 GMT
We've played 6 teams currently in the top 10 & 3 in the bottom 10. No panic from me just yet, Two away wins coming up, see yall at Hartlepool! I would hope that DC isn't panicking either, but recognising that he has kept too much faith with players from last season who aren't up to the required standard, and hasn't strengthened enough. The ongoing court case must be having an impact financially which can't be helping but, at the moment, he looks like what he is, an manager unproven at this level struggling to make an impact. DC still has a lot to prove IMO.
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Post by kwoodgas on Sept 28, 2015 11:25:47 GMT
I love threads like these, they really expose the forum members who seem to have completely forgotten/dismissed the achievements of last season from the manager. The OP hates the fact that i criticised Ward and have backed DC, the difference between the 2 of them are huge, i remeber how KG lambasted me during the Ward era for moaning and bitching, yet ever since DC took the job he's done exactly the same. I'll happily come on here and openly crticise DC when he plays people like Mitch Harding up front, when he plays with just the 1 up front, when Ellis Harrison is played as a winger, when he pisses a big budget up the wall, when he says that he has no expectations for the season, when we lose 4-0 and he says it's not his job to motivate the players, when we get BS interviews that lack honesty & passion, the list could go on but i'm not sure why i'm even bothering trying to make a comment on this thread. Lets hope my insecurities over something so important as a 4th tier club and a 4th tier manager don't resurface, i wouldn't want Jim to get offended. As you say, why bother. It was obviously a thread designed to get a rise out of you. I know I've said it on another thread but I find the block facility very good and it has made my experience on here much nicer when I was on the verge of quitting. We are not always going to get along with certain posters but, when it becomes personal, why not use the block ? Just a thought mind you, not trying to tell you what to do. Personally I just can't be arsed with certain people who genuinely seem to have no other reason to post, other than to agitate. I've not always agreed with you but you do make valid points and back them up with fair comments. 2 posts up you were agreeing with me! If WCG wants to take the easy way out and block me that's fine. As he said himself he frustrated me with hos constant moaning at Wardy and completely OTT praise of DC. That's fine, its all about opinions but you need consistency. I liked Wardy and I like DC I just don't understand why one is seen as the devil and the other the messiah when they have some very similar flaws.
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Post by strung out on Sept 28, 2015 11:29:57 GMT
I love threads like these, they really expose the forum members who seem to have completely forgotten/dismissed the achievements of last season from the manager. The OP hates the fact that i criticised Ward and have backed DC, the difference between the 2 of them are huge, i remeber how KG lambasted me during the Ward era for moaning and bitching, yet ever since DC took the job he's done exactly the same. I'll happily come on here and openly crticise DC when he plays people like Mitch Harding up front, when he plays with just the 1 up front, when Ellis Harrison is played as a winger, when he pisses a big budget up the wall, when he says that he has no expectations for the season, when we lose 4-0 and he says it's not his job to motivate the players, when we get BS interviews that lack honesty & passion, the list could go on but i'm not sure why i'm even bothering trying to make a comment on this thread. Lets hope my insecurities over something so important as a 4th tier club and a 4th tier manager don't resurface, i wouldn't want Jim to get offended. So just a load of words criticising Wardy. Where's your defence of the last 2 home performances? Pathetic thread yet again singling out one person because you don't agree with him. Westcountry Gas is big enough to defend himself, but do you need reminding yet again not to start threads calling out specific posters? 7 out of your last 20 threads have tried winding up various posters, so how about just leaving out the personals for once and sticking to the football.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 28, 2015 11:33:28 GMT
As you say, why bother. It was obviously a thread designed to get a rise out of you. I know I've said it on another thread but I find the block facility very good and it has made my experience on here much nicer when I was on the verge of quitting. We are not always going to get along with certain posters but, when it becomes personal, why not use the block ? Just a thought mind you, not trying to tell you what to do. Personally I just can't be arsed with certain people who genuinely seem to have no other reason to post, other than to agitate. I've not always agreed with you but you do make valid points and back them up with fair comments. 2 posts up you were agreeing with me! If WCG wants to take the easy way out and block me that's fine. As he said himself he frustrated me with hos constant moaning at Wardy and completely OTT praise of DC. That's fine, its all about opinions but you need consistency. I liked Wardy and I like DC I just don't understand why one is seen as the devil and the other the messiah when they have some very similar flaws. Just to be clear, my post wasn't a dig at you. I just see certain posts as antagonising and I had a couple of posters who, it seemed, their sole aim was to get a rise instead of using the forum to talk about other and pertinent stuff. Believe me, blocking was not the easy way for me. I wanted to go right into one & that's why I did it. I used to find it near impossible not to have the last word. Its just an option is all. I have this dream where Rovers were my extended family and where I found solace when I had awful things happen in my life and so it really does bother me to see us getting personal with one another. It wasn't a dig at you fella, not in the slightest
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Post by Cheshiregas on Sept 28, 2015 11:37:38 GMT
I love threads like these, they really expose the forum members who seem to have completely forgotten/dismissed the achievements of last season from the manager. The OP hates the fact that i criticised Ward and have backed DC, the difference between the 2 of them are huge, i remeber how KG lambasted me during the Ward era for moaning and bitching, yet ever since DC took the job he's done exactly the same. I'll happily come on here and openly crticise DC when he plays people like Mitch Harding up front, when he plays with just the 1 up front, when Ellis Harrison is played as a winger, when he pisses a big budget up the wall, when he says that he has no expectations for the season, when we lose 4-0 and he says it's not his job to motivate the players, when we get BS interviews that lack honesty & passion, the list could go on but i'm not sure why i'm even bothering trying to make a comment on this thread. Lets hope my insecurities over something so important as a 4th tier club and a 4th tier manager don't resurface, i wouldn't want Jim to get offended. So just a load of words criticising Wardy. Where's your defence of the last 2 home performances? You say that everyone is entitled to an opinion and should be free to post yet you deliberately set out to attack someone who holds a differing view from you and act as if you have some God given right to hold him to account. Why should WCG jump to your tune? He is entitled to his opinion just as you are to yours so why not express your own opinion and let him express his without trying to prove he is wrong or expecting him to prove himself to you. It is his opinion and he is entitled to it. No one opinion is right or wrong ~ it is just that ~ opinion.
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Post by kwoodgas on Sept 28, 2015 12:11:22 GMT
Time for me to take another break I think.
I completely accept the perception I've given on this forum of being a troll, but at the same time its pathetic that people can just use that as a block card when im trying to stir up some sensible, football related debate.
Take care all and I hope we see a greater presence from WCG in forthcoming match threads as it probably will mean results are on the up.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2015 12:18:05 GMT
Time for me to take another break I think. I completely accept the perception I've given on this forum of being a troll, but at the same time its pathetic that people can just use that as a block card when im trying to stir up some sensible, football related debate. Take care all and I hope we see a greater presence from WCG in forthcoming match threads as it probably will mean results are on the up. UTG RTID See you later this afternoon then, take care.
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Post by Peter Parker on Sept 28, 2015 12:32:42 GMT
Time for me to take another break I think. I completely accept the perception I've given on this forum of being a troll, but at the same time its pathetic that people can just use that as a block card when im trying to stir up some sensible, football related debate. Take care all and I hope we see a greater presence from WCG in forthcoming match threads as it probably will mean results are on the up. UTG RTID perhaps if you didn't act like a knob and call WCG out and you know made the points without bringing specific people into it
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Post by fanatical on Sept 28, 2015 12:41:56 GMT
How exactly is the manager's hands tied. Can we not remember the bench of kids we had regularly in the relegation season? Saturday saw us with a bench with a cumulative league appaearance total of well over 1000, included both the captain and the vice and was deemed so strong that a player we paid a fee for was deemed as surplus. Surely its basic business principles that you look for non-productive costs before throwing money at a problem: Mildenhall - I can see why we wanted to strengthen the position but has Nicholls/Chapman gained us any points that Mildy would've lost us. Puddy - Clearly no where near fit fpr the season yet given a contract. Montano/Monokana/Gosling/Bodin - All given contracts but only given cameo appearances Blissett - Money spent on him but not even good enough for the bench despite providing attributes no one else in the squad has I have to say that I agree with you in the main. It does seem, on face value & media comments, that DC is deflated. I don't know if that is the case but I do question the team selection and at home games in particular. When he gave his Churchillesque radio interview on Twentyman, before the conference season and at the Q&A, he promised attacking football with wingers. Many, that I know, renewed ST on the back of that brilliant speech. It now does seem that we are not playing the channels and, at risk of being repetitive, we are very predictable right now. Personally, I'd like to see Montano and Lucas being given a decent go and to see a more expansive set up, especially at home. Its hard to see the bigger crowds not going home happier and then we woukd have more chance of the waivering support, turn up regularly. I think we woukd have a fair chance of regular 8.5-9K home crowds if we had some success. Could it really be that some of the team are affected by the bigger crowds ? DC has said as much. If your mother gave you twenty pence you could buy 2 x 10 pence bars of chocolate or a twenty pence bar not much better BUT if she gave you £1 you could buy a fantastic bar of the best chocolate or 2 x 50 pence bars not so good but much better than the 10p and 20p bars. Our manager only has the option of the first two and is not allowed to get the bars he really wants (and the ones that would make a real difference) and so is frustrated
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Post by irishrover on Sept 28, 2015 13:16:46 GMT
Time for me to take another break I think. I completely accept the perception I've given on this forum of being a troll, but at the same time its pathetic that people can just use that as a block card when im trying to stir up some sensible, football related debate. Take care all and I hope we see a greater presence from WCG in forthcoming match threads as it probably will mean results are on the up. UTG RTID As a general comment to all the simple principle of playing the man and not the ball must be upheld or the forum cannot function. This is the basic mantra of the mod team I think and we try to keep to it although we can never claim to be consistent in its application because that would be impossible and probably undesirable.
Disagreement of opinion over Football/Rovers = fine. Targeting specific posters = wrong and the opposite of what debate actually is. Posts that start with 'where is x tonight?' or 'where are the moaners/happy clappers' are the worst, most pointless threads ever. Entirely composed of negativity towards people and designed to create an argument for arguments sake.
The starting point should be making your own case not denigrating other individual's positions. In the course of the rough and tumble of discussion then you might end up attacking each others positions which is fine provided it is civil, fair and never personal (and we tend to let those go even if they get a bit edgy unless someone personally complains). But to start out by specifically targeting another poster is effectively taking a cheapshot at a straw man. It assumes a right to define someone else's views which is both arrogant and completely unfair and it creates a really crap level of discussion. Be positive (even if the thrust of your point is critical) - make your own points in your own way not off the back of others. No one has the right to define what someone else's position is on anything - let them speak for themselves.
No one has any obligation to be consistent in their opinions either by the way. People can be wrong if they want to, people can change their minds - you can argue that out if you like but it's no justification at all for individually targeting someone. The Manic Street Preachers used to have 'we reserve the right to contradict ourselves' written on the sleevenotes of all their albums. I've often thought about attaching that as a signature!
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 29, 2015 12:53:09 GMT
I have to say that I agree with you in the main. It does seem, on face value & media comments, that DC is deflated. I don't know if that is the case but I do question the team selection and at home games in particular. When he gave his Churchillesque radio interview on Twentyman, before the conference season and at the Q&A, he promised attacking football with wingers. Many, that I know, renewed ST on the back of that brilliant speech. It now does seem that we are not playing the channels and, at risk of being repetitive, we are very predictable right now. Personally, I'd like to see Montano and Lucas being given a decent go and to see a more expansive set up, especially at home. Its hard to see the bigger crowds not going home happier and then we woukd have more chance of the waivering support, turn up regularly. I think we woukd have a fair chance of regular 8.5-9K home crowds if we had some success. Could it really be that some of the team are affected by the bigger crowds ? DC has said as much. If your mother gave you twenty pence you could buy 2 x 10 pence bars of chocolate or a twenty pence bar not much better BUT if she gave you £1 you could buy a fantastic bar of the best chocolate or 2 x 50 pence bars not so good but much better than the 10p and 20p bars. Our manager only has the option of the first two and is not allowed to get the bars he really wants (and the ones that would make a real difference) and so is frustrated Totally agree but, as a pro, I would expect him to put on his war face and also, just my opinion, maybe stick to his rallying radio interview and play with wingers or a winger at the least. I am no pro but, as a fan, I'd like to see our strikers get some decent crosses. I would like to see Montano get a crack sooner than later and maybe have Lucas involved. He has the this chocolate in his stash but won't share it My Mum never gave us the choice, she worked at Frys so we were sorted for confectionary lol
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 29, 2015 13:01:10 GMT
Time for me to take another break I think. I completely accept the perception I've given on this forum of being a troll, but at the same time its pathetic that people can just use that as a block card when im trying to stir up some sensible, football related debate. Take care all and I hope we see a greater presence from WCG in forthcoming match threads as it probably will mean results are on the up. UTG RTID As a general comment to all the simple principle of playing the man and not the ball must be upheld or the forum cannot function. This is the basic mantra of the mod team I think and we try to keep to it although we can never claim to be consistent in its application because that would be impossible and probably undesirable.
Disagreement of opinion over Football/Rovers = fine. Targeting specific posters = wrong and the opposite of what debate actually is. Posts that start with 'where is x tonight?' or 'where are the moaners/happy clappers' are the worst, most pointless threads ever. Entirely composed of negativity towards people and designed to create an argument for arguments sake.
The starting point should be making your own case not denigrating other individual's positions. In the course of the rough and tumble of discussion then you might end up attacking each others positions which is fine provided it is civil, fair and never personal (and we tend to let those go even if they get a bit edgy unless someone personally complains). But to start out by specifically targeting another poster is effectively taking a cheapshot at a straw man. It assumes a right to define someone else's views which is both arrogant and completely unfair and it creates a really crap level of discussion. Be positive (even if the thrust of your point is critical) - make your own points in your own way not off the back of others. No one has the right to define what someone else's position is on anything - let them speak for themselves.
No one has any obligation to be consistent in their opinions either by the way. People can be wrong if they want to, people can change their minds - you can argue that out if you like but it's no justification at all for individually targeting someone. The Manic Street Preachers used to have 'we reserve the right to contradict ourselves' written on the sleevenotes of all their albums. I've often thought about attaching that as a signature! Great post. Spot on. kingswoodgas, no need to stay away. I learned a lot from forums, I never ever used one until 2013 and the old official forum. I only mentioned the block as it sorted something for me that otherwise would have meant I quit posting completely. I have made some good friends via the forum, I have met people I never would have done so otherwise. You said it's taking the easy option to block, surely and using that same logic, quitting would be worse, no ? I hope you reconsider
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Post by Rex on Sept 29, 2015 20:30:25 GMT
DC fans can bump this thread every time we win. Doubters can bump it when we lose
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Post by Bridgeman on Sept 29, 2015 23:09:25 GMT
If your mother gave you twenty pence you could buy 2 x 10 pence bars of chocolate or a twenty pence bar not much better BUT if she gave you £1 you could buy a fantastic bar of the best chocolate or 2 x 50 pence bars not so good but much better than the 10p and 20p bars. Our manager only has the option of the first two and is not allowed to get the bars he really wants (and the ones that would make a real difference) and so is frustrated Totally agree but, as a pro, I would expect him to put on his war face and also, just my opinion, maybe stick to his rallying radio interview and play with wingers or a winger at the least. I am no pro but, as a fan, I'd like to see our strikers get some decent crosses. I would like to see Montano get a crack sooner than later and maybe have Lucas involved. He has the this chocolate in his stash but won't share it My Mum never gave us the choice, she worked at Frys so we were sorted for confectionary lol My Mum also worked at Fry's
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Post by Bridgeman on Sept 29, 2015 23:12:48 GMT
We've played 6 teams currently in the top 10 & 3 in the bottom 10. No panic from me just yet, Two away wins coming up, see yall at Hartlepool! One down, one to go
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 30, 2015 16:08:49 GMT
Totally agree but, as a pro, I would expect him to put on his war face and also, just my opinion, maybe stick to his rallying radio interview and play with wingers or a winger at the least. I am no pro but, as a fan, I'd like to see our strikers get some decent crosses. I would like to see Montano get a crack sooner than later and maybe have Lucas involved. He has the this chocolate in his stash but won't share it My Mum never gave us the choice, she worked at Frys so we were sorted for confectionary lol My Mum also worked at Fry's This was just after I was born. My mum started there in 1959 and I was born in 63. I remember Elizabeth Shaw mint chocolates, I always tried my best to grab those. She used to pedal to work and back. Does t seem far nowadays, New Cheltenham to Keynsham but when you have 4 kids and cooked meals, look d after us and Fads needs then I salute her. I miss my parents very much
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Post by Bridgeman on Sept 30, 2015 21:27:24 GMT
My Mum also worked at Fry's This was just after I was born. My mum started there in 1959 and I was born in 63. I remember Elizabeth Shaw mint chocolates, I always tried my best to grab those. She used to pedal to work and back. Does t seem far nowadays, New Cheltenham to Keynsham but when you have 4 kids and cooked meals, look d after us and Fads needs then I salute her. I miss my parents very much Mine worked there during the War before I was born, would walk there and back from Southmead so I recall her relating those dark days.
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Post by brizzle on Oct 1, 2015 14:20:37 GMT
This was just after I was born. My mum started there in 1959 and I was born in 63. I remember Elizabeth Shaw mint chocolates, I always tried my best to grab those. She used to pedal to work and back. Does t seem far nowadays, New Cheltenham to Keynsham but when you have 4 kids and cooked meals, look d after us and Fads needs then I salute her. I miss my parents very much Mine worked there during the War before I was born, would walk there and back from Southmead so I recall her relating those dark days. I'm always amazed when I read these kind of things, how far people would walk to get a days work. My mother has told me that her father used to walk from Easton to Avonmouth Docks in the hope of getting a days work, and often had to walk home again disappointed. And her grandfather used to work in South Wales (Monday to Friday), and would walk home to Bristol from there, returning by foot again on the Sunday. It certainly makes me think how fortunate we are, but I would agree that all of this happened before the welfare state was introduced. MODS: Feel free to delete this post as it is not football related, I just thought that some of our younger posters might find it interesting . . . or not.
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Post by warehamgas on Oct 1, 2015 17:28:14 GMT
simple then isnt it?lets sack the manager again,,its worked for us before,hasnt it? Agree with you 100%. You are absolutely correct but it is a forum and we will have lots of opinions! But I agree that some of them will be wrong!
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Post by DudeLebowski on Oct 3, 2015 16:09:47 GMT
We've played 6 teams currently in the top 10 & 3 in the bottom 10. No panic from me just yet, Two away wins coming up, see yall at Hartlepool! One down, one to go On my count, I make that a fine 2/2!?!? ; ) I'll save the I told you so's, just have a chilled brewski in honour of the boys and our fearless leader!
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