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Post by southeastgas on Sept 27, 2015 15:59:31 GMT
Dip of form since Aaron Chapman left. Just a coincidence?
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 27, 2015 16:12:30 GMT
Dip of form since Aaron Chapman left. Just a coincidence? No. I can't honestly say every goal we've conceded since Chapman has gone is directly attributed to goalkeeping error. More coincidence our dip in form since Leads injury, imo..
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Post by Westcountry Gas on Sept 27, 2015 16:46:58 GMT
I'd rather be a DC Apologist than a child pretending to be a university student. So you're not going to defend yesterday's performance and your previous claims that DC is a tactical genius? Do you want me to?
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Post by Rex on Sept 27, 2015 16:54:38 GMT
Dip of form since Aaron Chapman left. Just a coincidence? Yes.
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Post by kwoodgas on Sept 27, 2015 18:01:02 GMT
So you're not going to defend yesterday's performance and your previous claims that DC is a tactical genius? Do you want me to? Please do.
I witnessed similar (and better) performances under Wardy than yesterday and versus Accrington and the match thread was still full of poison and vitriol from your good self. Therefore I'm assuming you've seen something in the last few performances that myself (and just about everyone else) has missed since DC has escaped any such criticism.
Surely someone as intelligent, well connected and knowledgeable about football as yourself wouldn't base their opinions solely on whether they like the manager on not?
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Post by Bridgeman on Sept 27, 2015 19:13:57 GMT
Please do.
I witnessed similar (and better) performances under Wardy than yesterday and versus Accrington and the match thread was still full of poison and vitriol from your good self. Therefore I'm assuming you've seen something in the last few performances that myself (and just about everyone else) has missed since DC has escaped any such criticism.
Surely someone as intelligent, well connected and knowledgeable about football as yourself wouldn't base their opinions solely on whether they like the manager on not?
Sorry but there is no way can you describe any of the performances of the last season John Ward was with us as similar or better than we witnessed yesterday. Yesterday we were beaten by a far better team with far better players, that's not the fault of our manager. If we had played a team of that quality under John Ward we would have lost 4-0. Just my opinion of course
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Post by kwoodgas on Sept 27, 2015 19:41:23 GMT
Please do.
I witnessed similar (and better) performances under Wardy than yesterday and versus Accrington and the match thread was still full of poison and vitriol from your good self. Therefore I'm assuming you've seen something in the last few performances that myself (and just about everyone else) has missed since DC has escaped any such criticism.
Surely someone as intelligent, well connected and knowledgeable about football as yourself wouldn't base their opinions solely on whether they like the manager on not?
Sorry but there is no way can you describe any of the performances of the last season John Ward was with us as similar or better than we witnessed yesterday. Yesterday we were beaten by a far better team with far better players, that's not the fault of our manager. If we had played a team of that quality under John Ward we would have lost 4-0. Just my opinion of course Rubbish, I think we got battered 4-0 once in Wardy's whole reign and never lost to pub teams like Braintree and Alty.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2015 19:46:13 GMT
Yes we are, with several Conference players in the squad, but with the income we have we should be easilly able to assemble a squad capable of sorting out dross like Accrington. And it's not that hard to deal with the sort of problems Portsmouth gave us, the main thing was that for 90 mins we allowed them all the time and space they needed to cross balls from their right wing. We had a warning when they headed just wide, 5 mins later, carbon copy, but this time it ended up in the net, and that's where their 2nd goal came from as well, Clarke needs to start dealing with basics like this as games unfold. When we were at twerton and winning the division don't you think teams with more income thought they should be beating us? We had a good manager then, that helps, a lot.
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Post by Rex on Sept 27, 2015 20:06:17 GMT
Sorry but there is no way can you describe any of the performances of the last season John Ward was with us as similar or better than we witnessed yesterday. Yesterday we were beaten by a far better team with far better players, that's not the fault of our manager. If we had played a team of that quality under John Ward we would have lost 4-0. Just my opinion of course Rubbish, I think we got battered 4-0 once in Wardy's whole reign and never lost to pub teams like Braintree and Alty.
Was all this just a horrible dream I had then?
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Post by crater on Sept 27, 2015 21:01:21 GMT
Who gives a f*** we got beat by Braintree and Altrincham...we got promoted
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2015 22:08:34 GMT
but you have said many times that the board dont manage the club properly and therefore dont use the income we have well so why are you making that point? accrington at the moment are the 5th best team in the division were just a newly promoted team struggling at the moment to adapt in a higher standard,, I'm sure you understand the difference between mismanagement of the club by the BoD and mistakes made by the team manager. What lead to both goals yesterday has nothing to do with the difference between 5th and 4th tier football, there are park teams around the world who, after conceeding a goal from a right wing cross will change things to firstly stop the supply to the winger and then double up on him when he does get the ball. We did neither. Accrington are a typicle 4th tier team, big, strong, not very fast and not very skillful, but well organised. As long as everyone does their job, keeps the ball on the floor, passes forwards quickly and accurately and then moves into space they will struggle. So we decided to lump long balls forwards for 90 mins. Clarke is still learning, but it's beginning to get a bit worrying seeing so many basics either being done badly or not being done at all. Onwards and upwards, things will be a lot clearer by the end of Oct. ref right wing cross,,its not always so simple to double up on the right winger against a team like portsmouth as you will just leave gaps elsewhere,,,im a 4-4-2 man myself,i dont like the space 3 at the back sometimes allows opposing forwards but i can understand why dc has played 3-5-2 this season because of the players available and the defensive worry of having lines in a middle 2 instead of 3,,,,,,,you dont like us to just lump the ball forward[ref accrington] yet you advocate or advocated martin allen as our manager,,i dont get it??
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2015 23:16:35 GMT
I'm sure you understand the difference between mismanagement of the club by the BoD and mistakes made by the team manager. What lead to both goals yesterday has nothing to do with the difference between 5th and 4th tier football, there are park teams around the world who, after conceeding a goal from a right wing cross will change things to firstly stop the supply to the winger and then double up on him when he does get the ball. We did neither. Accrington are a typicle 4th tier team, big, strong, not very fast and not very skillful, but well organised. As long as everyone does their job, keeps the ball on the floor, passes forwards quickly and accurately and then moves into space they will struggle. So we decided to lump long balls forwards for 90 mins. Clarke is still learning, but it's beginning to get a bit worrying seeing so many basics either being done badly or not being done at all. Onwards and upwards, things will be a lot clearer by the end of Oct. ref right wing cross,,its not always so simple to double up on the right winger against a team like portsmouth as you will just leave gaps elsewhere,,,im a 4-4-2 man myself,i dont like the space 3 at the back sometimes allows opposing forwards but i can understand why dc has played 3-5-2 this season because of the players available and the defensive worry of having lines in a middle 2 instead of 3,,,,,,,you dont like us to just lump the ball forward[ref accrington] yet you advocate or advocated martin allen as our manager,,i dont get it?? What I actually said was that Martin Allen was the man to win the Conference. Ref doubling up, that's just work rate and fitness. It doesn't mean a central defender has to get drawn out wide. We seem to find a way to disagree on most things, but I have to say, I loved the comment about Lines; Championship quality with the ball, Conference quality without it
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Post by droitwichgas on Sept 28, 2015 7:54:03 GMT
Sorry but there is no way can you describe any of the performances of the last season John Ward was with us as similar or better than we witnessed yesterday. Yesterday we were beaten by a far better team with far better players, that's not the fault of our manager. If we had played a team of that quality under John Ward we would have lost 4-0. Just my opinion of course Rubbish, I think we got battered 4-0 once in Wardy's whole reign and never lost to pub teams like Braintree and Alty. Until we lost our way around Easter were we beaten heavily by any teams at the Mem? In fact wasn't it our good home form which kept us out of trouble until Gow's injury? If we don't bring players in soon DC could be in big trouble if we fail to win either way match this week as Wycombe at the Mem hardly looks easy. This season seems a mirror image of JW's we've a decent defence, an OK midfield but nothing on the wings or upfront but I guess those are the more expensive players to sign?
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Post by crater on Sept 28, 2015 9:13:59 GMT
Its a mistake imo to just focus on the strikers...we're not creating a whole lot of chances in games so its not all down to the lack of firepower
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Post by fanatical on Sept 28, 2015 9:24:31 GMT
no games should that difficult ? were 4th tier though arnt we? Yes we are, with several Conference players in the squad, but with the income we have we should be easilly able to assemble a squad capable of sorting out dross like Accrington. And it's not that hard to deal with the sort of problems Portsmouth gave us, the main thing was that for 90 mins we allowed them all the time and space they needed to cross balls from their right wing. We had a warning when they headed just wide, 5 mins later, carbon copy, but this time it ended up in the net, and that's where their 2nd goal came from as well, Clarke needs to start dealing with basics like this as games unfold. Yes - if the Manager was allowed some of that money - his hands are tied
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Post by kwoodgas on Sept 28, 2015 10:24:00 GMT
How exactly is the manager's hands tied.
Can we not remember the bench of kids we had regularly in the relegation season?
Saturday saw us with a bench with a cumulative league appaearance total of well over 1000, included both the captain and the vice and was deemed so strong that a player we paid a fee for was deemed as surplus.
Surely its basic business principles that you look for non-productive costs before throwing money at a problem:
Mildenhall - I can see why we wanted to strengthen the position but has Nicholls/Chapman gained us any points that Mildy would've lost us.
Puddy - Clearly no where near fit fpr the season yet given a contract.
Montano/Monokana/Gosling/Bodin - All given contracts but only given cameo appearances
Blissett - Money spent on him but not even good enough for the bench despite providing attributes no one else in the squad has
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 28, 2015 10:35:28 GMT
How exactly is the manager's hands tied. Can we not remember the bench of kids we had regularly in the relegation season? Saturday saw us with a bench with a cumulative league appaearance total of well over 1000, included both the captain and the vice and was deemed so strong that a player we paid a fee for was deemed as surplus. Surely its basic business principles that you look for non-productive costs before throwing money at a problem: Mildenhall - I can see why we wanted to strengthen the position but has Nicholls/Chapman gained us any points that Mildy would've lost us. Puddy - Clearly no where near fit fpr the season yet given a contract. Montano/Monokana/Gosling/Bodin - All given contracts but only given cameo appearances Blissett - Money spent on him but not even good enough for the bench despite providing attributes no one else in the squad has I have to say that I agree with you in the main. It does seem, on face value & media comments, that DC is deflated. I don't know if that is the case but I do question the team selection and at home games in particular. When he gave his Churchillesque radio interview on Twentyman, before the conference season and at the Q&A, he promised attacking football with wingers. Many, that I know, renewed ST on the back of that brilliant speech. It now does seem that we are not playing the channels and, at risk of being repetitive, we are very predictable right now. Personally, I'd like to see Montano and Lucas being given a decent go and to see a more expansive set up, especially at home. Its hard to see the bigger crowds not going home happier and then we woukd have more chance of the waivering support, turn up regularly. I think we woukd have a fair chance of regular 8.5-9K home crowds if we had some success. Could it really be that some of the team are affected by the bigger crowds ? DC has said as much.
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Post by Westcountry Gas on Sept 28, 2015 11:03:33 GMT
I love threads like these, they really expose the forum members who seem to have completely forgotten/dismissed the achievements of last season from the manager. The OP hates the fact that i criticised Ward and have backed DC, the difference between the 2 of them are huge, i remeber how KG lambasted me during the Ward era for moaning and bitching, yet ever since DC took the job he's done exactly the same. I'll happily come on here and openly crticise DC when he plays people like Mitch Harding up front, when he plays with just the 1 up front, when Ellis Harrison is played as a winger, when he pisses a big budget up the wall, when he says that he has no expectations for the season, when we lose 4-0 and he says it's not his job to motivate the players, when we get BS interviews that lack honesty & passion, the list could go on but i'm not sure why i'm even bothering trying to make a comment on this thread. Lets hope my insecurities over something so important as a 4th tier club and a 4th tier manager don't resurface, i wouldn't want Jim to get offended.
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Post by kwoodgas on Sept 28, 2015 11:10:07 GMT
I love threads like these, they really expose the forum members who seem to have completely forgotten/dismissed the achievements of last season from the manager. The OP hates the fact that i criticised Ward and have backed DC, the difference between the 2 of them are huge, i remeber how KG lambasted me during the Ward era for moaning and bitching, yet ever since DC took the job he's done exactly the same. I'll happily come on here and openly crticise DC when he plays people like Mitch Harding up front, when he plays with just the 1 up front, when Ellis Harrison is played as a winger, when he pisses a big budget up the wall, when he says that he has no expectations for the season, when we lose 4-0 and he says it's not his job to motivate the players, when we get BS interviews that lack honesty & passion, the list could go on but i'm not sure why i'm even bothering trying to make a comment on this thread. Lets hope my insecurities over something so important as a 4th tier club and a 4th tier manager don't resurface, i wouldn't want Jim to get offended. So just a load of words criticising Wardy. Where's your defence of the last 2 home performances?
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 28, 2015 11:14:03 GMT
I love threads like these, they really expose the forum members who seem to have completely forgotten/dismissed the achievements of last season from the manager. The OP hates the fact that i criticised Ward and have backed DC, the difference between the 2 of them are huge, i remeber how KG lambasted me during the Ward era for moaning and bitching, yet ever since DC took the job he's done exactly the same. I'll happily come on here and openly crticise DC when he plays people like Mitch Harding up front, when he plays with just the 1 up front, when Ellis Harrison is played as a winger, when he pisses a big budget up the wall, when he says that he has no expectations for the season, when we lose 4-0 and he says it's not his job to motivate the players, when we get BS interviews that lack honesty & passion, the list could go on but i'm not sure why i'm even bothering trying to make a comment on this thread. Lets hope my insecurities over something so important as a 4th tier club and a 4th tier manager don't resurface, i wouldn't want Jim to get offended. As you say, why bother. It was obviously a thread designed to get a rise out of you. I know I've said it on another thread but I find the block facility very good and it has made my experience on here much nicer when I was on the verge of quitting. We are not always going to get along with certain posters but, when it becomes personal, why not use the block ? Just a thought mind you, not trying to tell you what to do. Personally I just can't be arsed with certain people who genuinely seem to have no other reason to post, other than to agitate. I've not always agreed with you but you do make valid points and back them up with fair comments.
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