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Post by PeterHooper57 on Aug 16, 2015 0:52:23 GMT
If Ellis had any ambition he would not be interested in signing a deal here. If he keeps scoring goals then he could get himself a league 1/championship move either in January or next summer. Of course he could, and of course he will; he is our best player, he is the only forward who can score goals;Rovers need to get him on a longer contract, pay him more money now and make more money when he moves on at the end of the season.UTG
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Post by Peter Parker on Aug 16, 2015 9:22:54 GMT
If Ellis had any ambition he would not be interested in signing a deal here. If he keeps scoring goals then he could get himself a league 1/championship move either in January or next summer. Probably January I suspect that is plan b to generate some money
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Post by Peter Parker on Aug 16, 2015 15:36:55 GMT
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Post by PessimistGas on Aug 16, 2015 17:24:42 GMT
I am always torn when one of our players - particularly a striker - starts to show genuine quality on a consistent basis.
It generally means that they won't be here for too much longer.
Not sure that Ellis is quite in that class yet, but I do believe that he has the potential to be, perhaps this will the year it happens.
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Post by chippenhamgas on Aug 16, 2015 21:58:22 GMT
I am always torn when one of our players - particularly a striker - starts to show genuine quality on a consistent basis. It generally means that they won't be here for too much longer. Not sure that Ellis is quite in that class yet, but I do believe that he has the potential to be, perhaps this will the year it happens. ellis will be gone by xmas, the money raised will be used to pay off the wonga loan, everyone will then declare that higgs is financial genius who no-one else can match!
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Post by Royal Blue on Aug 16, 2015 22:27:21 GMT
If the club have any sense (ahem) they will be doing all they can to get Ellis signed up as soon as possible. Darrell won't want him resting on his laurels with a comfy new contract to fall back on, but he clearly has all the attributes needed to be a very good striker and we would be mad to let him leave on a free in 12 months' time.
We have to get him to commit to the club so that if he stays we keep a talented striker, but if he goes we get full market value for him. Enough to pay back the loan and hopefully get a decent replacement.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Aug 17, 2015 10:02:26 GMT
I've just checked and Ellis is 66/1 (Matty Taylor 50/1) on being top goal scorer in league 2 this season.
Corr/Tubbs/Narc Richards/Mikhail-Smith lead the odds, but what Ellis has over these guys is youth.
A brave bet, but if he is ever present this season, he is very capable of 20+ goals.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2015 11:24:58 GMT
It was obvious when he made his Rovers' debut that the boy had something about him.
Unless we at least make the play offs this season he'll be gone. I just hope that he shows the same loyalty to us that we showed him when his head was elsewhere and he signs a new contract so that we can get a decent fee for him.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2015 11:26:49 GMT
It was obvious when he made his Rovers' debut that the boy had something about him. Unless we at least make the play offs this season he'll be gone. I just hope that he shows the same loyalty to us that we showed him when his head was elsewhere and he signs a new contract so that we can get a decent fee for him. "Go and find a new club, you're not wanted here"?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2015 11:28:49 GMT
It was obvious when he made his Rovers' debut that the boy had something about him. Unless we at least make the play offs this season he'll be gone. I just hope that he shows the same loyalty to us that we showed him when his head was elsewhere and he signs a new contract so that we can get a decent fee for him. "Go and find a new club, you're not wanted here"? Must have missed that, I thought we continued paying him and supported him through his personal problems?
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Post by chelt_gas on Aug 17, 2015 12:56:57 GMT
I like that one
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Post by droitwichgas on Aug 17, 2015 13:03:11 GMT
He was a contracted player so we didn't have much choice but to pay him, but when he was training with the youth players then shopping in Manchester when we were playing our most crucial away game for a few years at Wycombe, I doubt DC would have stood in his way if he had quit? It is quite a turnaround by both the player and the management.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2015 15:36:33 GMT
"Go and find a new club, you're not wanted here"? Must have missed that, I thought we continued paying him and supported him through his personal problems? He was told he was available for free and his name was circulated when we got relegated. Of course we continued paying him, its illegal not to.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2015 15:47:02 GMT
Must have missed that, I thought we continued paying him and supported him through his personal problems? He was told he was available for free and his name was circulated when we got relegated. Of course we continued paying him, its illegal not to. As opposed to terminating his contract. I honestly didn't know that he was told that he could leave. Have said since his debut that he has something about him, so lucky that nobody else jumped in and offered him a deal.
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Post by irishrover on Aug 17, 2015 16:00:00 GMT
He was told he was available for free and his name was circulated when we got relegated. Of course we continued paying him, its illegal not to. As opposed to terminating his contract. I honestly didn't know that he was told that he could leave. Have said since his debut that he has something about him, so lucky that nobody else jumped in and offered him a deal. Surely sticking by someone who hasn't actually been found guilty of anything is the least that you can do. But I think this is the key issue - Harrison probably doesn't feel that he owes the club anything given the mix messages he's received. My view is that he was one of these players who was somewhat a victim of his own success from both his and the club's perspective. He burst on the scene - made John Ward look like an absolute genius by plucking this guy from the youth team who (and I don't think it's that much of an exaggeration) along with O'Toole completely changed the energy and mood around that side. Then when teams adapted to him fans still expected that same level of impact he had in his first 5-6 games and he probably did himself at which point his confidence just seemed to completely evaporate. That's where we handled him badly on the football side - there should have been a bit more acknowledgement straight away that he was a young kid that still had a lot of development to do. Instead we were a crap side, getting consistently crapper trying to put out fires everywhere and the idea of developing Harrison as a player went by the wayside. The way we were using him just gave the impression that we were just desperately trying to plug gaps rather than thinking about how we developed a talented player. I think it probably did put him back 18 months as a player.
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Post by Gregory Stevens on Aug 17, 2015 16:02:53 GMT
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Aug 17, 2015 17:06:25 GMT
As opposed to terminating his contract. I honestly didn't know that he was told that he could leave. Have said since his debut that he has something about him, so lucky that nobody else jumped in and offered him a deal. Surely sticking by someone who hasn't actually been found guilty of anything is the least that you can do. But I think this is the key issue - Harrison probably doesn't feel that he owes the club anything given the mix messages he's received. My view is that he was one of these players who was somewhat a victim of his own success from both his and the club's perspective. He burst on the scene - made John Ward look like an absolute genius by plucking this guy from the youth team who (and I don't think it's that much of an exaggeration) along with O'Toole completely changed the energy and mood around that side. Then when teams adapted to him fans still expected that same level of impact he had in his first 5-6 games and he probably did himself at which point his confidence just seemed to completely evaporate. That's where we handled him badly on the football side - there should have been a bit more acknowledgement straight away that he was a young kid that still had a lot of development to do. Instead we were a crap side, getting consistently crapper trying to put out fires everywhere and the idea of developing Harrison as a player went by the wayside. The way we were using him just gave the impression that we were just desperately trying to plug gaps rather than thinking about how we developed a talented player. I think it probably did put him back 18 months as a player. I agree, Irish, but what we should all remember is: JW played Ellis out of position. No wonder his form faltered. He isn't a winger, so square holes and all that. Now he's settled, I hope we as supporters can forgive a misguided youth as much as he can forgive a fickle audience. I still say offer him a deal soon.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2015 18:19:01 GMT
He was a contracted player so we didn't have much choice but to pay him, but when he was training with the youth players then shopping in Manchester when we were playing our most crucial away game for a few years at Wycombe, I doubt DC would have stood in his way if he had quit? It is quite a turnaround by both the player and the management. Did the management have a turnaround,or did Ellis up his efforts to meet the managers expectations so was brought back into the fold. Whatever happened I am glad he is still here
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 17, 2015 19:33:00 GMT
Who knows what went on in the background, perhaps he told his agent to find him another club and when he was told there were no takers he realised he had to buckle down to save his professional career. At one point he could quite easily have become the next Lemar Powell. Although there were rumors, from Padstow Gas?, that Crewe we're very interested in taking him on loan last season when he was stuck on the bench.
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Post by Peter Parker on Aug 17, 2015 19:59:12 GMT
He was a contracted player so we didn't have much choice but to pay him, but when he was training with the youth players then shopping in Manchester when we were playing our most crucial away game for a few years at Wycombe, I doubt DC would have stood in his way if he had quit? It is quite a turnaround by both the player and the management. Did the management have a turnaround,or did Ellis up his efforts to meet the managers expectations so was brought back into the fold. Whatever happened I am glad he is still here
Its an.accumulation of things. I doubt DC would have cared if he went to weston or somewhere at the time What DC did do was i assume tell him he had to buck up his ideas or he would waste his talent. Mansell was given a task of being a mentor. The whole rape thing has been sorted which must be a weight of anyones mind. After the FGR away play off game. DCs words spoke volumes about both sides. DC acknowledge then he couldnt be too hard on Ellis as he had come a long way
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