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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 22:20:49 GMT
I cannot believe how lightly some on here are taking the POTENTIAL (this is all still guesswork on our parts) loss of the Mem. The only way i considered the club moving to Frenchay was worthwhile, was when it was going to be the catalyst for increased revenue, bigger playing budgets - a potentially 25,000 seat stadium that could take us into higher divisions and cope with bigger crowds. IF THIS IS PLAN B (and its all guesswork on here) then it cannot be allowed to happen. We will be selling our home, near our pubs and on our bus routes, with our Blackthorn, Dribuild and Centenary, for an all-seater stadium, on an out-of-town industrial estate, with a running track, and only a capacity of 15,000. I honestly cannot believe that there are some on here quite happy for Team Higgs to do that to us. Why can't you believe it? The club has a very long history of the fans allowing anything to happen without the slightest whimper of discontent from the terraces, in fact the fans as a whole are a lot more likely to support the BoD if there was the slightest mention of please help us were in financial dire straits. It's not as if the collective psyche of the fan base is likely to change overnight, and it's unlikely going by historic records it ever would, its been 30 years since the club were forced to leave Eastville, and besides the stroke of luck of Bristol RFC falling into deep debt and bubbles buying the Mem there has been no forward momentum in this time, incredible really when you think about it, got to be the largest FC in the country with such as soft underbelly. If you are young (can't help assume you must be) and are hoping for better from the fan base then you have a disappointing future ahead of you because you will find that either a) most fans don't care about anything outside of the 90 minutes played out each week b) if they do most can't be bothered to challenge the status quo, or c) have the mentality that we have 'always been ragbag', some are proud of this association. Try not to let it get you down, fighting the system is highly unlikely to make a jot of difference, took me years to accept that falling into point a) above was the only sane way I could continue to justify wasting large sums of cash each year following a failing FC.
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Post by chippenhamgas on Aug 1, 2015 22:23:19 GMT
I don't think anyone WANTS us to go to a situation where we rent a ground again. But given that the dream of owning a stadium in Frenchay is dead even if Higgs gets a miracle at the Court of Appeal, our options are: 1. Tenancy at the UWE if the university build it. Mem is sold to repay the debts built up by board incompetence, no investor is mad enough to blow money on a club with no assets so fans take over. 2. Stay at the Mem. We still own our own ground but we have some level of debt and all the current board have no incentive to continue given that their scheme to repay themselves is dead. 3. Buyer comes in. Looking unlikely. Remember that their priority now is not BRFC. It's getting their money back. If they sold the Mem to repay themselves, most of the fanbase would swallow it, they always do. Maybe they'll do the honourable thing and take a haircut on the debt that they built up, allow a new board to come in who are capable of avoiding disasters, then we can move on with a clean slate.
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Post by dagnogo on Aug 1, 2015 22:26:42 GMT
I don't think anyone WANTS us to go to a situation where we rent a ground again. But given that the dream of owning a stadium in Frenchay is dead even if Higgs gets a miracle at the Court of Appeal, our options are: 1. Tenancy at the UWE if the university build it. Mem is sold to repay the debts built up by board incompetence, no investor is mad enough to blow money on a club with no assets so fans take over. 2. Stay at the Mem. We still own our own ground but we have some level of debt and all the current board have no incentive to continue given that their scheme to repay themselves is dead. 3. Buyer comes in. Looking unlikely. Remember that their priority now is not BRFC. It's getting their money back. If they sold the Mem to repay themselves, most of the fanbase would swallow it, they always do. Maybe they'll do the honourable thing and take a haircut on the debt that they built up, allow a new board to come in who are capable of avoiding disasters, then we can move on with a clean slate. Hoopfully. Don't hold your breath, though. They follow the mantra of several on this forum who think they've done the club a favour.
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Post by chippenhamgas on Aug 1, 2015 22:30:33 GMT
I cannot believe how lightly some on here are taking the POTENTIAL (this is all still guesswork on our parts) loss of the Mem. The only way i considered the club moving to Frenchay was worthwhile, was when it was going to be the catalyst for increased revenue, bigger playing budgets - a potentially 25,000 seat stadium that could take us into higher divisions and cope with bigger crowds. IF THIS IS PLAN B (and its all guesswork on here) then it cannot be allowed to happen. We will be selling our home, near our pubs and on our bus routes, with our Blackthorn, Dribuild and Centenary, for an all-seater stadium, on an out-of-town industrial estate, with a running track, and only a capacity of 15,000. I honestly cannot believe that there are some on here quite happy for Team Higgs to do that to us. Why can't you believe it? The club has a very long history of the fans allowing anything to happen without the slightest whimper of discontent from the terraces, in fact the fans as a whole are a lot more likely to support the BoD if there was the slightest mention of please help us were in financial dire straits. It's not as if the collective psyche of the fan base is likely to change overnight, and it's unlikely going by historic records it ever would, its been 30 years since the club were forced to leave Eastville, and besides the stroke of luck of Bristol RFC falling into deep debt and bubbles buying the Mem there has been no forward momentum in this time, incredible really when you think about it, got to be the largest FC in the country with such as soft underbelly. If you are young (can't help assume you must be) and are hoping for better from the fan base then you have a disappointing future ahead of you because you will find that either a) most fans don't care about anything outside of the 90 minutes played out each week b) if they do most can't be bothered to challenge the status quo, or c) have the mentality that we have 'always been ragbag', some are proud of this association. Try not to let it get you down, fighting the system is highly unlikely to make a jot of difference, took me years to accept that falling into point a) above was the only sane way I could continue to justify wasting large sums of cash each year following a failing FC. That's it in a nutshell, piece by piece this is gradually all coming together, we are about to be sold down the river by this corrupt bod, it's no longer about brfc v sains it's higgs v sains. Amazed there is no anger brewing here, people will just sit by and let it happen, then wonder why there's no club left. Wish people would wake up.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 22:35:58 GMT
If there's any truth in this story, it might not be so terrible. A whole world away from where we thought we might be, but maybe better than where we are now. UWE - why would they want to build a 15,000 seater stadium? Concerts, athletics (could be the top athletics stadium in the country) and above all else Bristol Rovers as tenants with regular crowds of 6,000 - 10,000. BRFC - why would we go there? We'd be debt free and playing in a stadium that could double attendances - for which we'd pocket the revenue and perhaps catering. We would be set up to look a far more professional outfit and not a bunch of chancers squatting in an old hovel. Just look at what happened to Brighton, and that was before they got promoted. Maybe we could negotiate a shared ownership position as I believe Swansea have done. At the beginning the council owned 100% of the stadium and they now part-own it themselves. I can't remember the %. Who knows if this is the legendary Plan B? If it happened, a lot of fans would be happy to be sitting in a 15,000 seater new stadium watching a debt-free club in League 1 in 4 years time.Of course the whole story and idea might be total nonsense so I've just wasted 5 minutes typing this rubbish. With a full width athletics track between the seats and the nearest player, not so sure about that one.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Aug 1, 2015 23:48:13 GMT
SMH. You cant make it up can you. Henbury what have you heard? As i have said in the past UWE have an American "Consultant" on board and i did wonder why they are involved
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Post by Colyton Gas. on Aug 1, 2015 23:54:34 GMT
Not sure where this 15,000 seater stadium ideal is coming from as didn't the Local Development Plan for South Glos allow for a minimum of 20,000 so not sure a smaller stadium would meet the local LDP requirements. Who are we going to sell the Mem to. We all know the current moratorium on large supermarket developments. Can you see planning permission being given to build houses at the Mem with all the various protests that would be raised and of course with the new Sports 'Commissar' for Bristol being in post maybe she might support a sports stadium remaining in North Bristol with it's sporting history built originally as a War Memorial to the rugby players of Bristol ? Ideal? Love the Bristolian classic.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Aug 2, 2015 0:01:52 GMT
Why can't you believe it? The club has a very long history of the fans allowing anything to happen without the slightest whimper of discontent from the terraces, in fact the fans as a whole are a lot more likely to support the BoD if there was the slightest mention of please help us were in financial dire straits. It's not as if the collective psyche of the fan base is likely to change overnight, and it's unlikely going by historic records it ever would, its been 30 years since the club were forced to leave Eastville, and besides the stroke of luck of Bristol RFC falling into deep debt and bubbles buying the Mem there has been no forward momentum in this time, incredible really when you think about it, got to be the largest FC in the country with such as soft underbelly. If you are young (can't help assume you must be) and are hoping for better from the fan base then you have a disappointing future ahead of you because you will find that either a) most fans don't care about anything outside of the 90 minutes played out each week b) if they do most can't be bothered to challenge the status quo, or c) have the mentality that we have 'always been ragbag', some are proud of this association. Try not to let it get you down, fighting the system is highly unlikely to make a jot of difference, took me years to accept that falling into point a) above was the only sane way I could continue to justify wasting large sums of cash each year following a failing FC. That's it in a nutshell, piece by piece this is gradually all coming together, we are about to be sold down the river by this corrupt bod, it's no longer about brfc v sains it's higgs v sains. Amazed there is no anger brewing here, people will just sit by and let it happen, then wonder why there's no club left. Wish people would wake up. and do what ? Would be interesting to here what peoples thoughts on what we can achieve ? Do a Blackpool Maybe ?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2015 0:21:38 GMT
protest / irritate box 1 ?, its a start
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Post by dickgherkin on Aug 2, 2015 9:36:04 GMT
Why can't you believe it? The club has a very long history of the fans allowing anything to happen without the slightest whimper of discontent from the terraces, in fact the fans as a whole are a lot more likely to support the BoD if there was the slightest mention of please help us were in financial dire straits. It's not as if the collective psyche of the fan base is likely to change overnight, and it's unlikely going by historic records it ever would, its been 30 years since the club were forced to leave Eastville, and besides the stroke of luck of Bristol RFC falling into deep debt and bubbles buying the Mem there has been no forward momentum in this time, incredible really when you think about it, got to be the largest FC in the country with such as soft underbelly. If you are young (can't help assume you must be) and are hoping for better from the fan base then you have a disappointing future ahead of you because you will find that either a) most fans don't care about anything outside of the 90 minutes played out each week b) if they do most can't be bothered to challenge the status quo, or c) have the mentality that we have 'always been ragbag', some are proud of this association. Try not to let it get you down, fighting the system is highly unlikely to make a jot of difference, took me years to accept that falling into point a) above was the only sane way I could continue to justify wasting large sums of cash each year following a failing FC. Lols, bless you but I'm actually 44 - just young-at-heart and an eternal optimist ;0) I believe in cycles, everything changes, and i am still hopefully that Gasheads would not sit idly by and let this disaster for the club take place. ARISE GASHEADS FROM YOUR SLUMBER! ;0)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2015 9:44:29 GMT
how many people would give up their property to go back to renting ?
having said that if you cant afford the mortgage you would go back to week to week stuff, thing is the u w e isnt a council house, you WOULD have to keep up your rent
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Post by EssoBlue on Aug 2, 2015 10:40:45 GMT
how many people would give up their property to go back to renting ? having said that if you cant afford the mortgage you would go back to week to week stuff, thing is the u w e isnt a council house, you WOULD have to keep up your rentPaying rent won't be anything new for BRFC. In our 132 year history, we've been paying rent on-off for 96 years of them.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2015 10:43:20 GMT
how many people would give up their property to go back to renting ? having said that if you cant afford the mortgage you would go back to week to week stuff, thing is the u w e isnt a council house, you WOULD have to keep up your rentPaying rent won't be anything new for BRFC. In our 132 year history, we've been paying rent on-off for 96 years of them. That's why we're where we are, but it's not a reason to go back to it.
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 2, 2015 10:59:30 GMT
Why can't you believe it? The club has a very long history of the fans allowing anything to happen without the slightest whimper of discontent from the terraces, in fact the fans as a whole are a lot more likely to support the BoD if there was the slightest mention of please help us were in financial dire straits. It's not as if the collective psyche of the fan base is likely to change overnight, and it's unlikely going by historic records it ever would, its been 30 years since the club were forced to leave Eastville, and besides the stroke of luck of Bristol RFC falling into deep debt and bubbles buying the Mem there has been no forward momentum in this time, incredible really when you think about it, got to be the largest FC in the country with such as soft underbelly. If you are young (can't help assume you must be) and are hoping for better from the fan base then you have a disappointing future ahead of you because you will find that either a) most fans don't care about anything outside of the 90 minutes played out each week b) if they do most can't be bothered to challenge the status quo, or c) have the mentality that we have 'always been ragbag', some are proud of this association. Try not to let it get you down, fighting the system is highly unlikely to make a jot of difference, took me years to accept that falling into point a) above was the only sane way I could continue to justify wasting large sums of cash each year following a failing FC. That's it in a nutshell, piece by piece this is gradually all coming together, we are about to be sold down the river by this corrupt bod, it's no longer about brfc v sains it's higgs v sains. Amazed there is no anger brewing here, people will just sit by and let it happen, then wonder why there's no club left. Wish people would wake up. The fact that NH has been allowed to run up debts of circa £7/8m probably makes it too late for protests? A UWE owned staduim may well be the only way the club can make any progress in the next 5 to 10 years, if we're lumbered with massive debts? It seems madness NH has been allowed to almost lose our own ground after the Bath years. Why didn't somebody like GD or BB stand up to his stupidity, was turning down a virtual £2.5m inc costs Sainsbury's offer really the right decision? Could we have even squeezed more out of them if NH had been more reasonable, rather than being confrontational?
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Post by PeterHooper57 on Aug 2, 2015 11:28:52 GMT
Why would the UWE want anything to do with Higgs & Co ?; its their land they can do what they want with it, and best of luck to them, I would not be surprised if they buddy up with lansdown, who has real money, and build an athletics / sports complex which includes lansdowns womans football team, basket ball team, etc. .... Higgs is now using his Sainsburys ****** up contract to try and recoup some money through damages, what ever the outcome BRFC is now crippled with debt, with no where to go, all smacks of Eastville to me. UTG
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Post by Henbury Gas on Aug 2, 2015 11:50:31 GMT
Why would the UWE want anything to do with Higgs & Co ?; its their land they can do what they want with it, and best of luck to them, I would not be surprised if they buddy up with lansdown, who has real money, and build an athletics / sports complex which includes lansdowns womans football team, basket ball team, etc. .... Higgs is now using his Sainsburys ****** up contract to try and recoup some money through damages, what ever the outcome BRFC is now crippled with debt, with no where to go, all smacks of Eastville to me. UTG Do you want 50p for the bridge, i may just join you !
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2015 11:53:03 GMT
Why would the UWE want anything to do with Higgs & Co ?; its their land they can do what they want with it, and best of luck to them, I would not be surprised if they buddy up with lansdown, who has real money, and build an athletics / sports complex which includes lansdowns womans football team, basket ball team, etc. .... Higgs is now using his Sainsburys ****** up contract to try and recoup some money through damages, what ever the outcome BRFC is now crippled with debt, with no where to go, all smacks of Eastville to me. UTG Do you want 50p for the bridge, i may just join you ! There's no toll for pedestrians.
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Post by gasheadnaboo on Aug 2, 2015 11:55:16 GMT
I'm taking this with a massive pinch of salt, as I don't really see how the uni would benefit from a 15,000 stadium? A 1,500 multi usage stadium with an athletics track I could believe. Well, they are cash rich, and in a competitive market, so this wouldn't surprise me one bit. I don't believe the Students Union would sanction the building of a stadium, when we're being charged £9,000 per year. They might be cash rich but they're tight with it, I'd say 75% of the desk chairs in the Computer Science and Creative Technologies faculty buildings have been broken for the past 2 years!
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Post by Henbury Gas on Aug 2, 2015 11:56:41 GMT
Do you want 50p for the bridge, i may just join you ! There's no toll for pedestrians. great thats a extra 50p i can spend in the after life
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Post by LPGas on Aug 2, 2015 15:28:37 GMT
So a story on a "footy" site comes out, (no one on here knows if it has any truth and every one on here "jumps" on it). Two things to remember. Why would UWE want a stadium, and the plan in the South Gloucester development clearly states that it has to be a 20,000 + stadium. If they want this to happen then they are going to have to obtain planning permission, which as we know could take years.
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