Igitur
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Post by Igitur on Jul 15, 2015 10:52:35 GMT
This is an admirable idea and something of sorts should be in place for when things go REALLY wrong. Events could be fast moving and the fans may need to react quickly.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2015 10:56:20 GMT
£1m already invested by supporters to see the % of shares decreased, Trust Founders hounded out of the club, yeah sure. Nail on the head Chewy. Only when the club is on its knees will the board come begging for engagement and a supporters trust. Ooh, so close. Last time it was on its knees it refused to engage with a Trust and set up its own puppet version of the model, later diluting the shareholding that its £1 million bought (it was only a donation scheme, apparently). The legacy is that two representative fans are on the board, making no difference whatsoever. I hugely respect markczgas's drive and the principle he lays out but it assumes the board would support it. It won't.
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nsgas
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Post by nsgas on Jul 15, 2015 11:17:59 GMT
Nothing would delight me more than the club I love becoming owned by the supporters, but there is no way that the supporters should have to donate money to pay off the debts that the directors have run up. In any event, we would never be able to raise that amount of money. If the directors truly loved the club they would write off the debts that they created and hand the club and stadium over to a supporters trust.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2015 11:19:44 GMT
And therein lies the problem IMO, no proof just a gut feeling taht this is what is being asked for, NH has shown he is more than prepared with many gambles and this would come as no surprise if it was the reason for the lack of activity. I'm no expert, but don't discount the possibility that the BoD may one day decide to walk away from the club for nothing so long as the directors loans are left on the books. Left on the books interest free with no repayment date? It's a deal.....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2015 11:23:45 GMT
It's all worth noting Rovers supporters are probably the most passive in English football which, makes them the most passive in the world.
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Post by markczgas on Jul 15, 2015 12:27:46 GMT
It is on it's knees. Great idea Mark - but unrealistic given the current structure of the Board and the contempt with which they treat the fans. Thanks. I feel there is absolutely nothing to lose ...... from small acorns .... Have a think and I hope you will support in some way.
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Post by markczgas on Jul 15, 2015 12:30:42 GMT
Nothing would delight me more than the club I love becoming owned by the supporters, but there is no way that the supporters should have to donate money to pay off the debts that the directors have run up. In any event, we would never be able to raise that amount of money. If the directors truly loved the club they would write off the debts that they created and hand the club and stadium over to a supporters trust. Agreed, Let's be open-minded and OPTIMISTIC and have a go ! Apathy and cynicism don't do anyone any good does it ?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2015 12:38:51 GMT
What actually happened with fan attempts to get involved with the running of the club? I'm not au fait with Rovers history before 2012. I understand they were knocked back but could anyone describe these attempts in detail?
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Post by markczgas on Jul 15, 2015 12:43:51 GMT
Really ? By whom ? They may well bue more interested in listening now, don't you think ? only way to get them out is to make their lives very uncomfortable, for the amount of damage they have caused the easy ride they enjoy is staggering. We need to find a way of getting behind the team whilst making our feelings towards the board publicly known. Outsiders looking in probably think we're all perfectly contented being a laughing stock. Agree with this. As it states in my thread continue to support the team we love, BUT behind the scenes ..... hard work , determination, vision , pressure ......
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harrybuckle
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Post by harrybuckle on Jul 15, 2015 12:52:43 GMT
It will take £7m that is the amount NH has loaned our Club and he will want it back if he is to give up his ownership.
Bath City are trying the same but loyal fans have no cash to inject so suspect this will not be picked up despite by the obvious ones who want to make a difference ...sadly they are few and far between
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Jul 15, 2015 12:54:36 GMT
£1m already invested by supporters to see the % of shares decreased, Trust Founders hounded out of the club, yeah sure. Not writing about this. I'm talking about buy out - if little Newport County are on the verge of it - what's stopping BRFC ?? Newport County driven by the owner wanting out so he can live in the Caribbean and also the fact he is willing to accept a loss on his investment. Personally think fan owned clubs are not the way forward and will lead to stagnation, at best, and s slow demise at worst. Of course private ownership may go that way as well depending on the abilities of the owners. Personally wouldn't touch it with a barge pole unless there was an exit strategy from the start. And that's all before you consider that a few hundred of us fans on here can barely agree if DC is or isn't the best man for the job, so what hope on other decisions? Good luck though
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2015 13:32:06 GMT
It will take £7m that is the amount NH has loaned our Club and he will want it back if he is to give up his ownership. Bath City are trying the same but loyal fans have no cash to inject so suspect this will not be picked up despite by the obvious ones who want to make a difference ...sadly they are few and far between Then he will have to keep pumping his money in then. No investor will take over the club and pay back a previous owner for all his cock ups.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2015 13:35:28 GMT
Not writing about this. I'm talking about buy out - if little Newport County are on the verge of it - what's stopping BRFC ?? Newport County driven by the owner wanting out so he can live in the Caribbean and also the fact he is willing to accept a loss on his investment. Personally think fan owned clubs are not the way forward and will lead to stagnation, at best, and s slow demise at worst. Of course private ownership may go that way as well depending on the abilities of the owners. Personally wouldn't touch it with a barge pole unless there was an exit strategy from the start. And that's all before you consider that a few hundred of us fans on here can barely agree if DC is or isn't the best man for the job, so what hope on other decisions? Good luck though The same thing has happened at Torquay. Mrs Bristow has accepted her losses and sold out for a few pennies. She did manage to build a new stand though which is more than what we have managed.
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LPGas
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Post by LPGas on Jul 15, 2015 14:57:09 GMT
Not for me thanks. Brentford showed why it didn't work
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gooliegas
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Post by gooliegas on Jul 15, 2015 15:03:04 GMT
I thought I read Les was putting 10 K a week into Newport, like all betting only bet what you can afford to lose never chase your loses. After all the different boards at Swindle they don't seem any better off relying on loan players to field a team.
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Post by markczgas on Jul 15, 2015 15:09:01 GMT
Not writing about this. I'm talking about buy out - if little Newport County are on the verge of it - what's stopping BRFC ?? Newport County driven by the owner wanting out so he can live in the Caribbean and also the fact he is willing to accept a loss on his investment. Personally think fan owned clubs are not the way forward and will lead to stagnation, at best, and s slow demise at worst. Of course private ownership may go that way as well depending on the abilities of the owners. Personally wouldn't touch it with a barge pole unless there was an exit strategy from the start. And that's all before you consider that a few hundred of us fans on here can barely agree if DC is or isn't the best man for the job, so what hope on other decisions? Good luck though Cheers, I hope this means you are in favour - firstly, I'm looking for people to say I back this and then we can take it from there.
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harrybuckle
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Post by harrybuckle on Jul 15, 2015 15:10:52 GMT
It will take £7m that is the amount NH has loaned our Club and he will want it back if he is to give up his ownership. Bath City are trying the same but loyal fans have no cash to inject so suspect this will not be picked up despite by the obvious ones who want to make a difference ...sadly they are few and far between Then he will have to keep pumping his money in then. No investor will take over the club and pay back a previous owner for all his cock ups. I am sure he will continue to bale out the Club as he is a genuine fan.
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Post by markczgas on Jul 15, 2015 15:11:21 GMT
I thought I read Les was putting 10 K a week into Newport, like all betting only bet what you can afford to lose never chase your loses. After all the different boards at Swindle they don't seem any better off relying on loan players to field a team. Would be good to focus on OUR ROVERS and where we are , and where we might be in the near future or not be. Interestingly, Brentford and Swindon are in a much healthier position than we are, don't you all think ?
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gooliegas
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Post by gooliegas on Jul 15, 2015 15:19:58 GMT
I thought I read Les was putting 10 K a week into Newport, like all betting only bet what you can afford to lose never chase your loses. After all the different boards at Swindle they don't seem any better off relying on loan players to field a team. Would be good to focus on OUR ROVERS and where we are , and where we might be in the near future or not be. Interestingly, Brentford and Swindon are in a much healthier position than we are, don't you all think ? Swindle do not own their ground and have been rent arrears. Brentford have a Pantsdown type backer ?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2015 15:46:50 GMT
Then he will have to keep pumping his money in then. No investor will take over the club and pay back a previous owner for all his cock ups. I am sure he will continue to bale out the Club as he is a genuine fan. Call it want you want, it's covering his own mistakes. Hopefully he can hide his bank statements from his wife and kids for as long as possible.
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