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Post by dagnogo on Jul 13, 2015 17:26:33 GMT
This reaction shows that some people will stand up for failure whatever happens. Multiple relegations, lies about stadium moves, failed stadium moves, record debts and crushing of any attempts at fan involvement aren't enough.
I love the old "if you don't like them buy the club" s**te. I hope you've never disagreed with the Government then, otherwise you'd better run for Prime Minister.
Most people, given the pure luck that Higgs had with the Cowlin buyout, know that they can't run a football club well and wouldn't invest. Unlike someone.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2015 17:29:47 GMT
Just seen it on ITV. What I couldn't understand is that he said his legal advice said there was good grounds for appeal. Is this the same legal advice that said there was a good chance of success in the original legal action? For 500 Guineas an hour (plus disbursments) I'll tell you whatever you want to hear. But all I can do is advise you, I can't guarantee success in any action you chose to persue.
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Post by Peter Parker on Jul 13, 2015 17:35:44 GMT
Heard his interview with Twentyman and to be fair.i thought he came across reasonably well.
My only concern was the perhaps beeing convinced to go down the appeal route by the legals.
The way i took it was that they feel Judge Proudman has applied the technicality inconsistently in her judgment
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Post by lostinspace on Jul 13, 2015 17:37:12 GMT
Just seen it on ITV. What I couldn't understand is that he said his legal advice said there was good grounds for appeal. Is this the same legal advice that said there was a good chance of success in the original legal action? yes it will be and that is why there are often appeals against judgements - REMEMBER - so far we only have the opinion of ONE judge - another may have come to a different opinion YEP...one who may not have their pension invested in JS!!
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Post by matealotblue on Jul 13, 2015 17:44:46 GMT
Just seen it on ITV. What I couldn't understand is that he said his legal advice said there was good grounds for appeal. Is this the same legal advice that said there was a good chance of success in the original legal action? For 500 Guineas an hour (plus disbursments) I'll tell you whatever you want to hear. But all I can do is advise you, I can't guarantee success in any action you chose to persue. Can see that. But would also point out the definition of insanity which is doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result each time. Guess it's a judgement call at the end of the day.
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Post by warmleygas on Jul 13, 2015 17:46:12 GMT
I thoght it was a very good interview from NH in the cicumstances. The knee jerk reactions on this forum show why nobody on here has been successful enough to buy the club. of course he should listen to legal advice before deciding what to do. He could of course bring in investors to help build the UWE at a price per share that would increase if the appeal is won. I think the fact none of us have that kinda money is why none of us have bought the club!!!
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Post by deanoman on Jul 13, 2015 17:59:53 GMT
yes it will be and that is why there are often appeals against judgements - REMEMBER - so far we only have the opinion of ONE judge - another may have come to a different opinionYEP...one who may not have their pension invested in JS!! 'another may have come to a different opinion'Sorry but how naive can you be ? This was not a murder case, it was a case based upon a contract that seemingly had more holes in than a sieve (watertight my ass) - A black and white tangible document that has been scrutinized in forensic detail for its validity, and thus case point in Law - Simple as, therefore it's feasible that another 99.999% of Judges would prescribe the same outcome.
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Post by lostinspace on Jul 13, 2015 18:20:39 GMT
YEP...one who may not have their pension invested in JS!! 'another may have come to a different opinion'Sorry but how naive can you be ? This was not a murder case, it was a case based upon a contract that seemingly had more holes in than a sieve (watertight my ass) - A black and white tangible document that has been scrutinized in forensic detail for its validity, and thus case point in Law - Simple as, therefore it's feasible that another 99.999% of Judges would prescribe the same outcome. mirth is not your strongest point then i take it......... murder?? wtf.......... ..........and can i ask you how you are so knowledgable now on a "point of law" than you were before this case....... wonderful now you know what the "fine points of law" are once they have been highlighted to one and all...... possibly like me and many others -- ignorant of these "little things" but hey ho life goes on
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jul 13, 2015 18:30:36 GMT
As I already said they could sell all or some now with a further payment if the appeal is successful. It really isn't rocket science. Agreed but do you believe that it will go to appeal? If it does then I think that Higgs will be on his own with it. Rodney was the first to jump ship. Rodney did jump ship he want to retire for personal reasons
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jul 13, 2015 18:32:05 GMT
This reaction shows that some people will stand up for failure whatever happens. Multiple relegations, lies about stadium moves, failed stadium moves, record debts and crushing of any attempts at fan involvement aren't enough.I love the old "if you don't like them buy the club" s***e. I hope you've never disagreed with the Government then, otherwise you'd better run for Prime Minister. Most people, given the pure luck that Higgs had with the Cowlin buyout, know that they can't run a football club well and wouldn't invest. Unlike someone. Sounds like most clubs in the lower leagues to me I Wonder if they have a HA Club as well
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Post by manchestergas on Jul 13, 2015 18:38:25 GMT
This reaction shows that some people will stand up for failure whatever happens. Multiple relegations, lies about stadium moves, failed stadium moves, record debts and crushing of any attempts at fan involvement aren't enough. I love the old "if you don't like them buy the club" s***e. I hope you've never disagreed with the Government then, otherwise you'd better run for Prime Minister. Most people, given the pure luck that Higgs had with the Cowlin buyout, know that they can't run a football club well and wouldn't invest. Unlike someone. How does he know. I am actually a multi billionaire presently living in Monoaco in my villa looking out across the Med with three super models downstairs (one blonde, brunette and red head) we are about to get on my yacht. I just don't fancy investing in Rovers I much prefer to wallow in the failure of the club and criticise on an online forum and spend my money on fast cars, fast women and Columbian marching powder.
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Post by pressuredrop on Jul 13, 2015 18:57:26 GMT
of course he should listen to legal advice before deciding what to do. I fail to see what good taking legal advice would do unless it was on a 'no win, no fee' basis. All these people are interested in is their own big fat pay cheque so they're bound to tell him that yes they have good grounds for appeal - as someone once said 'they would, wouldn't they'.
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Post by dagnogo on Jul 13, 2015 19:06:40 GMT
This reaction shows that some people will stand up for failure whatever happens. Multiple relegations, lies about stadium moves, failed stadium moves, record debts and crushing of any attempts at fan involvement aren't enough.I love the old "if you don't like them buy the club" s***e. I hope you've never disagreed with the Government then, otherwise you'd better run for Prime Minister. Most people, given the pure luck that Higgs had with the Cowlin buyout, know that they can't run a football club well and wouldn't invest. Unlike someone. Sounds like most clubs in the lower leagues to me I Wonder if they have a HA Club as well You're probably right. Most clubs probably have an element of those fans. Some fans of all clubs would take gruel and taste caviar.
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Jul 13, 2015 19:06:41 GMT
of course he should listen to legal advice before deciding what to do. I fail to see what good taking legal advice would do unless it was on a 'no win, no fee' basis. All these people are interested in is their own big fat pay cheque so they're bound to tell him that yes they have good grounds for appeal - as someone once said 'they would, wouldn't they'. Yes they would but it's not just the money is it? They are looking to save face after being so massively bullish about our chances and want to convince Higgs that the advice they gave him was good all along and that he hasn't just wasted 2 years and a bucket of money because of their incompetence.
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Post by manchestergas on Jul 13, 2015 19:09:57 GMT
A good lawyer won't. They want repeat business. If the appeal has a poor chance of success advising the opposite doesn't make much sense long term.
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Post by manchestergas on Jul 13, 2015 19:11:17 GMT
I fail to see what good taking legal advice would do unless it was on a 'no win, no fee' basis. All these people are interested in is their own big fat pay cheque so they're bound to tell him that yes they have good grounds for appeal - as someone once said 'they would, wouldn't they'. Yes they would but it's not just the money is it? They are looking to save face after being so massively bullish about our chances and want to convince Higgs that the advice they gave him was good all along and that he hasn't just wasted 2 years and a bucket of money because of their incompetence. Who said they gave massively bullish advice? Have seen the advice?
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Jul 13, 2015 19:25:31 GMT
Yes they would but it's not just the money is it? They are looking to save face after being so massively bullish about our chances and want to convince Higgs that the advice they gave him was good all along and that he hasn't just wasted 2 years and a bucket of money because of their incompetence. Who said they gave massively bullish advice? Have seen the advice? Higgs implied it. His actions suggest it. Compromise was never mentioned he didn't believe we needed to. It came out in court how he tried to change the terms of the contract and was furious with Sainsburys for not funding 106 conditions. He clearly felt that he was 100% in the right and was going to fight them to the end. Do you think that would have happened if the legal advice he was getting was anything other than massively bullish?
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Post by manchestergas on Jul 13, 2015 19:29:51 GMT
I doubt the advice was massively bullish, lawyers don't give such advice (their insurers don't like it). It may have been on the balance of probabilities you could well win. You also the possibility that Nick Higgs was just pig headed and convinced himself he was right. I am sure they did not say this was a watertight contract.
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Post by thecyclist on Jul 13, 2015 19:44:18 GMT
This reaction shows that some people will stand up for failure whatever happens. Multiple relegations, lies about stadium moves, failed stadium moves, record debts and crushing of any attempts at fan involvement aren't enough. I love the old "if you don't like them buy the club" s***e. I hope you've never disagreed with the Government then, otherwise you'd better run for Prime Minister. Most people, given the pure luck that Higgs had with the Cowlin buyout, know that they can't run a football club well and wouldn't invest. Unlike someone. How does he know. I am actually a multi billionaire presently living in Monoaco in my villa looking out across the Med with three super models downstairs (one blonde, brunette and red head) we are about to get on my yacht. I just don't fancy investing in Rovers I much prefer to wallow in the failure of the club and criticise on an online forum and spend my money on fast cars, fast women and Columbian marching powder. Dear Mr Higgs I am an internet warrior. I only come out when the Board have messed things up to such a degree that I feel duty bound to comment. Apparently me and others who think your performance has been an abject disaster, wanted the team to be relegated from the Football League, were delighted that there was a disastrous start to the 14/15 season and slightly annoyed that victory was secured at Wembley to get us back to the dizzy heights of League 2 only come out to crow when you've royally screwed up again. I note that today there has been a further hiccup in the stadium project. Apparently those scoundrels at Sainsburys agreed to sign a contract that you believed to be watertight, but it turns out that wasn't quite the case. Now I don't wish to be unpleasant, but really since you took control of the club it has been a grand cock-up hasn't it? You may wish to blame others and a dash of bad luck on relegation (wasn't it the fault of Mr Lawrence)? I'm sure you'll consider that lovely chap Mr Watola is in no way responsible for today's news. Remember the shock with which he greeted relegation? "We were only in the bottom two for 70 minutes". Today's judgement is littered with references to Mr Watola and of course you've been working very closely with him on the stadium project although I was a little shocked to hear you talking to Mr Twentypence on the BEEB today and suggest that only the Director of Finance would know what you'd spent on legal costs. Anyway it's all rather awful, but it really is time for heads to roll is it not? Perhaps you and Mr W really ought to step aside. You can still be the big cheese in the shareholding stakes, but really you need to get someone in who can run a football club? I think you've been on the Board for 9 years now and at the point you took the chair, Bristol Rovers were in League 1 and didn't have quite the level of debt it has now. Were it not for young Mr Clarke digging you out of last season's little hole all the arrows would be pointing downwards. Please don't listen to any more lawyers, it really is the road to no-where, "watertight contract" anyone? Don't fall for the fluttering eyelashes of Ms Leslie any more, although it was nice of her to turn up at the Mem during the election campaign to promote a charity I thought it a remarkable co-incidence that she was there in front of over 8,000 people with the Mayor who wore blue trousers that day. Clearly you worked hard on cultivating those relationships but perhaps the time would have been better spent talking to Sainsbury's executives? Wasn't it just awful to get to a stage where litigation became necessary? No doubt Mr W was in daily contact with his opposite numbers at Sainsbury's, so it must have been all the more shocking for you that it has come to this. Yours sincerely The Cyclist
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Post by markczgas on Jul 13, 2015 20:20:25 GMT
From GD's Twitter feed: Geoff Dunford @geoffdunford 4h4 hours ago @douggas The club will survive Doug. Too many good supporters. However where is the money coming from? This decision was not even close! Geoff Dunford @geoffdunford 5h5 hours ago I am totally shocked at the judgment today. What is plan B ? Where does the club go from here? #UTG Forming a Supporters Trust.
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