kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jul 8, 2015 14:37:09 GMT
Labour policy stolen by the ****ervatives So ? If it works do it NHS was a labour policy should we stop funding it because we now have a Tory Govt ? That's happening Ian just most are so apathetic and/or haven't had any need to use the service that they don't care. My last 5 appointments have been at private hospitals but they have been paid for out of the NHS funds. I have seen what is charged and it's a big chunk of change. I would never complain at the way I have been treated but it's a travesty that the nurses and domestic staff are on zero hours and minimum wage while the experienced specialists and hours served Doctors are extremely well off. Not saying they don't deserve it and especially if you were to compare to the money paid for a footballer but it's all so wrong. Sorry to go off on a tangent but we are seeing the NHS being stealthily placed into private sector.
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Post by brizzle on Jul 8, 2015 14:47:23 GMT
Wait for the new constituancy boundary changes, in theory to bring each constituancy nearer to having an equal number of voters, in reality, to mean that the Conservatives are going to have to make an unholy mess of things for us to have another Labour government any time soon. If I recall they tried this in Coalition but got pushed back by LD's. Guess no reason not to give it another go now - not sure if/when they can find Parliamentary time for it though. There is currently a bias against Tories in boundaries as I understand it. That's correct, they wouldn't play ball no matter what. But since they are no longer in government, and only in Parliament by the skin of their collective teeth, things will be much more straightforward for the Tories. I'm quite confident that time will be found, in fact I think it will be made a priority.
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Post by LJG on Jul 8, 2015 14:51:45 GMT
So ? If it works do it NHS was a labour policy should we stop funding it because we now have a Tory Govt ? That's happening Ian just most are so apathetic and/or haven't had any need to use the service that they don't care. My last 5 appointments have been at private hospitals but they have been paid for out of the NHS funds. I have seen what is charged and it's a big chunk of change. I would never complain at the way I have been treated but it's a travesty that the nurses and domestic staff are on zero hours and minimum wage while the experienced specialists and hours served Doctors are extremely well off. Not saying they don't deserve it and especially if you were to compare to the money paid for a footballer but it's all so wrong. Sorry to go off on a tangent but we are seeing the NHS being stealthily placed into private sector. 4.5 per cent of NHS services were outsourced to private providers under New Labour. 1.5 per cent were outsourced under the Coalition.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2015 14:54:37 GMT
That's happening Ian just most are so apathetic and/or haven't had any need to use the service that they don't care. My last 5 appointments have been at private hospitals but they have been paid for out of the NHS funds. I have seen what is charged and it's a big chunk of change. I would never complain at the way I have been treated but it's a travesty that the nurses and domestic staff are on zero hours and minimum wage while the experienced specialists and hours served Doctors are extremely well off. Not saying they don't deserve it and especially if you were to compare to the money paid for a footballer but it's all so wrong. Sorry to go off on a tangent but we are seeing the NHS being stealthily placed into private sector. 4.5 per cent of NHS services were outsourced to private providers under New Labour. 1.5 per cent were outsourced under the Coalition. 73% of all statistics are made up on the spot, and the other 27% can be manipulated to tell you anything you want.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2015 15:01:27 GMT
Wait for the new constituancy boundary changes, in theory to bring each constituancy nearer to having an equal number of voters, in reality, to mean that the Conservatives are going to have to make an unholy mess of things for us to have another Labour government any time soon. If I recall they tried this in Coalition but got pushed back by LD's. Guess no reason not to give it another go now - not sure if/when they can find Parliamentary time for it though. There is currently a bias against Tories in boundaries as I understand it. Exactly that, the Lib Dems were having none of it, quite odd as didn't they think that PR was a wonderful thing? Labour need some new faces and some new ideas or it will be a long long time before they get anywhere near No 10 again. Harriet Harperson does them no favours, and the angry little face of Cooper sat behind her doesn't help.
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kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jul 8, 2015 15:03:57 GMT
4.5 per cent of NHS services were outsourced to private providers under New Labour. 1.5 per cent were outsourced under the Coalition. 73% of all statistics are made up on the spot, and the other 27% can be manipulated to tell you anything you want. My comments are made on my experiences rather than reading what the Rupert Murdoch biased media decide to put out. I have had some very long and interesting conversation with specialists, Doctors and then nurses and domestic staff. I never cease to be amazed at the care they continue to provide and kindness they show. It takes very special people to do those jobs. The Filipino nurses are so very good at what they do. I tried to buy a gift for those who looked after me in ward 900 at the BRI, they would not accept but instead passed the chocolates and other? To the children's hospital. I am first to say that I can be a very difficult patient as I always research stuff and so question treatment options. Anyway, the morale wishing the staff is very low yet they continue to provide fantastic service. People can throw statistics at me as much as they want, it's one of those things that, until you get it, you don't get it. Same with chronic or life limiting disease.
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Post by matealotblue on Jul 8, 2015 15:04:06 GMT
4.5 per cent of NHS services were outsourced to private providers under New Labour. 1.5 per cent were outsourced under the Coalition. 73% of all statistics are made up on the spot, and the other 27% can be manipulated to tell you anything you want. Are you 100% sure of that?
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kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jul 8, 2015 15:05:36 GMT
If I recall they tried this in Coalition but got pushed back by LD's. Guess no reason not to give it another go now - not sure if/when they can find Parliamentary time for it though. There is currently a bias against Tories in boundaries as I understand it. Exactly that, the Lib Dems were having none of it, quite odd as didn't they think that PR was a wonderful thing? Labour need some new faces and some new ideas or it will be a long long time before they get anywhere near No 10 again. Harriet Harperson does them no favours, and the angry little face of Cooper sat behind her doesn't help. Don't you think it's both a great shame and also a reflection on just how the country has dumbed down, when appearance over substance, is what gets people elected ?
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Post by crater on Jul 8, 2015 15:09:40 GMT
4.5 per cent of NHS services were outsourced to private providers under New Labour. 1.5 per cent were outsourced under the Coalition. 73% of all statistics are made up on the spot, and the other 27% can be manipulated to tell you anything you want. Like 56% of the population I don't believe in statistics
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Post by brizzle on Jul 8, 2015 15:12:00 GMT
If I recall they tried this in Coalition but got pushed back by LD's. Guess no reason not to give it another go now - not sure if/when they can find Parliamentary time for it though. There is currently a bias against Tories in boundaries as I understand it. Exactly that, the Lib Dems were having none of it, quite odd as didn't they think that PR was a wonderful thing? Labour need some new faces and some new ideas or it will be a long long time before they get anywhere near No 10 again. Harriet Harperson does them no favours, and the angry little face of Cooper sat behind her doesn't help.You'd have an ''angry little face'' as well, if you had a spouse like she has. But seriously I don't agree with very much at all that Jeremy Corbyn has to say, but if I were a Labour Party supporter I would much prefer him to the other plastic politicians in the leadership race. I can't believe that this is the best that the official Opposition party has to offer the country. Lord help us all.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2015 15:18:46 GMT
Exactly that, the Lib Dems were having none of it, quite odd as didn't they think that PR was a wonderful thing? Labour need some new faces and some new ideas or it will be a long long time before they get anywhere near No 10 again. Harriet Harperson does them no favours, and the angry little face of Cooper sat behind her doesn't help. Don't you think it's both a great shame and also a reflection on just how the country has dumbed down, when appearance over substance, is what gets people elected ? My comments had nothing to do with Harperson's appearance, and Cooper is an angry little lady who talks down to everybody and tries to bully every host and interviewer. The fact that she has an angry little face wouldn't matter if she ever talked sense and showed a single grain of humility. Long road back for Labour from where we are today.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2015 15:21:08 GMT
Exactly that, the Lib Dems were having none of it, quite odd as didn't they think that PR was a wonderful thing? Labour need some new faces and some new ideas or it will be a long long time before they get anywhere near No 10 again. Harriet Harperson does them no favours, and the angry little face of Cooper sat behind her doesn't help.You'd have an ''angry little face'' as well, if you had a spouse like she has. But seriously I don't agree with very much at all that Jeremy Corbyn has to say, but if I were a Labour Party supporter I would much prefer him to the other plastic politicians in the leadership race. I can't believe that this is the best that the official Opposition party has to offer the country. Lord help us all. Can you imagine how the world looks to her when it's Ed's turn on top.
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Post by brizzle on Jul 8, 2015 15:32:53 GMT
You'd have an ''angry little face'' as well, if you had a spouse like she has. But seriously I don't agree with very much at all that Jeremy Corbyn has to say, but if I were a Labour Party supporter I would much prefer him to the other plastic politicians in the leadership race. I can't believe that this is the best that the official Opposition party has to offer the country. Lord help us all. Can you imagine how the world looks to her when it's Ed's turn on top. As she's a Highland lassie, I suspect that she's always on top. It's a fundamental ingredient of the Barnett formula surely?
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Post by LJG on Jul 8, 2015 16:25:41 GMT
4.5 per cent of NHS services were outsourced to private providers under New Labour. 1.5 per cent were outsourced under the Coalition. 73% of all statistics are made up on the spot, and the other 27% can be manipulated to tell you anything you want. Indeed. I wonder how many of those make it into the BMJ (with multiple citations on multiple occasions) and get, inadvertently, quoted by the Shadow Health Secretary on Newsnight?
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Post by Gregory Stevens on Jul 8, 2015 17:11:18 GMT
4.5 per cent of NHS services were outsourced to private providers under New Labour. 1.5 per cent were outsourced under the Coalition. 73% of all statistics are made up on the spot, and the other 27% can be manipulated to tell you anything you want. And if you're a Labour voter, you will not be swayed by evidence. That's how they continue to exist. Either that or a public sector employee.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2015 17:36:50 GMT
Labour policy stolen by the ****ervatives Don't forget the bedroom tax .
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2015 17:39:53 GMT
As for NHS patients being treated at private hospitals, that has been happening for years and was a Labour forte for years. Not forgetting Labour sending patients abroad for operations by the plane load.......
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Post by matealotblue on Jul 8, 2015 17:50:29 GMT
As for NHS patients being treated at private hospitals, that has been happening for years and was a Labour forte for years. Not forgetting Labour sending patients abroad for operations by the plane load....... Shock! Are you saying that the NHS has not been safe in Labour hands? That they were doing these things whilst telling us porkies about the Tories? Surely not?
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Post by crater on Jul 8, 2015 18:26:28 GMT
Labour policy stolen by the ****ervatives Don't forget the bedroom tax . Don't think the Tories stole that one from anyone...they thought it up all on their own...the c**ts
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Post by toteend on Jul 8, 2015 20:06:11 GMT
I'm glad you received excellent service KP. Unfortunately, my father didn't.
He along with other elderly patients at a local hospital were basically ignored by the nurses as they were 'busy' chatting all the time.
His neglect got so bad I physically picked him up from his bed (there was nothing of him) carried him to my car and took him to the RUH?
What followed was a joke. The original hospital wanted a signature for him discharging himself. That's right. You might have thought they would ask how he was. So whatever you think, it's not all sweetness and light in our NHS hospitals. And sadly what made it worse was most of the staff could not understand him.
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