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Post by Feeling The Blues on Jul 8, 2015 10:35:33 GMT
No it wont get better for us as a football club when we have dicks thinking its great that we are playing someone else's under 21s in a first team game. This is exactly what Greg Dyke was proposing in his recent shake up and if he had his way this would be a league game! Its unacceptable and devalues us and we should be having no truck with it. Probably the same sort of thoughts that Sutton and Salisbury are having over their friendlies this weekend. I was waiting for this one. It is NOTHING like that at all. We are sending teams with plenty of first team players involved.
The games against Sutton and Salisbury are against semi professional clubs . On the other hand we are a full time long established professional football club with a support base of tens of thousands just like the club from North London, we are both part of the full time professional game but because of gloryhunting and the FA's divisive policies the gap between us is getting ever bigger and now we are only fit to play their under 21s and most of our supporters seem to think that's great!
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 8, 2015 10:41:41 GMT
FFS, this is Bristol Rovers. You are sounding like someone from the Dark Side !
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Post by matealotblue on Jul 8, 2015 12:04:06 GMT
Probably the same sort of thoughts that Sutton and Salisbury are having over their friendlies this weekend. I was waiting for this one. It is NOTHING like that at all. We are sending teams with plenty of first team players involved.
The games against Sutton and Salisbury are against semi professional clubs . On the other hand we are a full time long established professional football club with a support base of tens of thousands just like the club from North London, we are both part of the full time professional game but because of gloryhunting and the FA's divisive policies the gap between us is getting ever bigger and now we are only fit to play their under 21s and most of our supporters seem to think that's great!
Once again, if I may say, you mixing up too many things in your outpouring. We would all likely have some sympathy on the Fa's divisive policies and the growing gap - assuming you were talking about funding which may be more to do with PL than FA, but we digress. This is a pre-season friendly, not a League game. Perspective required. We all love the club (well mostly!) but we are a L2 side just out of the Conference. Fact of life. We have to live with it.
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Jul 8, 2015 12:18:50 GMT
Probably the same sort of thoughts that Sutton and Salisbury are having over their friendlies this weekend. I was waiting for this one. It is NOTHING like that at all. We are sending teams with plenty of first team players involved.
The games against Sutton and Salisbury are against semi professional clubs . On the other hand we are a full time long established professional football club with a support base of tens of thousands just like the club from North London, we are both part of the full time professional game but because of gloryhunting and the FA's divisive policies the gap between us is getting ever bigger and now we are only fit to play their under 21s and most of our supporters seem to think that's great!
So Sutton 2 leagues below us deserve less respect than us sat 3 leagues below Arsenal? As to the rest what garbage. Rest assured if we draw Sutton or Arsenal all 3 teams will respectively play a first team instead of an under 21 side or a side cobbled together from trainees, youths, triallists and first team players.
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Jul 8, 2015 13:05:39 GMT
I was waiting for this one. It is NOTHING like that at all. We are sending teams with plenty of first team players involved.
The games against Sutton and Salisbury are against semi professional clubs . On the other hand we are a full time long established professional football club with a support base of tens of thousands just like the club from North London, we are both part of the full time professional game but because of gloryhunting and the FA's divisive policies the gap between us is getting ever bigger and now we are only fit to play their under 21s and most of our supporters seem to think that's great!
So Sutton 2 leagues below us deserve less respect than us sat 3 leagues below Arsenal? As to the rest what garbage. Rest assured if we draw Sutton or Arsenal all 3 teams will respectively play a first team instead of an under 21 side or a side cobbled together from trainees, youths, triallists and first team players. What is garbage exactly? What is not true? I cannot believe how accepting people seem to be about how it's ok for us to be doing what Greg Dyke proposed and us be mixing it with the youths of the elite clubs. Makes me think that maybe some of the people all for it are Arsenal supporters too! There are after all a disgraceful amount of gloryhunters in this city. Sad thing is there will be as many people at the game supporting them as us and not one of them will be travelling from North London. I don't blame them for that though because I wouldn't bother going down to Salisbury on Saturday if it was our U21 team playing either.
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 8, 2015 13:20:39 GMT
Give it up mate. Your whole argument is nonsense. The Arsenal U-21 team would probably win Div 2 if they played in it every week, so as a pre-season friendy, it's a good test for Rovers. It's feck all to do with Greg Dyke and his proposal.
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Post by harrybuckle on Jul 8, 2015 13:28:50 GMT
the Arsenal fixture is the hardest match incl the West Brom one as the Gunners have so world class youngsters
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Jul 8, 2015 13:36:52 GMT
Give it up mate. Your whole argument is nonsense. The Arsenal U-21 team would probably win Div 2 if they played in it every week, so as a pre-season friendy, it's a good test for Rovers. It's feck all to do with Greg Dyke and his proposal. They would do well in league 2 sad as that is. That is not my point though is it?
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 8, 2015 13:38:14 GMT
Just what is your point? You seem to be in the minority on this issue !
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2015 13:41:07 GMT
Give it up mate. Your whole argument is nonsense. The Arsenal U-21 team would probably win Div 2 if they played in it every week, so as a pre-season friendy, it's a good test for Rovers. It's feck all to do with Greg Dyke and his proposal. They would do well in league 2 sad as that is. That is not my point though is it? Your 'point' is absurd. Pre- season fixtures have featured 'Big Club XI' for decades, at least.
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Post by Peter Parker on Jul 8, 2015 13:46:01 GMT
Didn't we play a Reading XI or something recently as they split their squad
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Jul 8, 2015 13:50:48 GMT
To the last two replies. An XI team is very different from a development squad it will contain a lot of first team players or people who the club are looking at to become first team players. At least premier league West Brom also 3 divisions above us will show us some respect on that score.
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Post by clockendgas on Jul 8, 2015 15:31:29 GMT
the Arsenal fixture is the hardest match incl the West Brom one as the Gunners have so world class youngsters world class may be pushing it abit harry, but maybe in a few years who knows. As for the game well its only a training session, and i would say good on arsenal for coming down here, under21s or not. chill out lads.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2015 15:41:35 GMT
An XI team is very different from a development squad it will contain a lot of first team players or people who the club are looking at to become first team players. You've just made that up
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Post by Global Gas on Jul 8, 2015 16:09:28 GMT
To the last two replies. An XI team is very different from a development squad it will contain a lot of first team players or people who the club are looking at to become first team players. At least premier league West Brom also 3 divisions above us will show us some respect on that score. That just blew my mind! I've been thinking a development squad did contain people a club wanted to become first team players. If it does the job of testing the fitness of the players, giving youngsters a run out and a bit of experience, gives the manager an idea of where the squad is, and generates a bit of cash for the club then I think that ticks all the boxes for a preseason friendly. We could always put our development team out against them show them two can play that game. I bet their forum would go ballistic! So what if some non-Gasheads come and spend their cash at the Mem. Maybe the atmosphere will impress them so much that they become die hard Gasheads. Or maybe they'll hear you're not going and they'll snub it because the shining star they expected wasn't going.
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Post by Peter Parker on Jul 8, 2015 16:29:19 GMT
I'm not going anyway, so couldn't give a monkey's
The only game I am going to in pre-season is West Brom because of Kitey
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Post by Wembley_Gas on Jul 9, 2015 7:04:14 GMT
Keep taking the pills it will get better in the end No it wont get better for us as a football club when we have dicks thinking its great that we are playing someone else's under 21s in a first team game. This is exactly what Greg Dyke was proposing in his recent shake up and if he had his way this would be a league game! Its unacceptable and devalues us and we should be having no truck with it. This forum is all about opinions and you are entitled to yours and I admire the way you have defended your stance so vehemently. My thoughts are that DC is often given the perceived handicap that he has no contacts in the game...who is to say that whoever is in charge of this Arsenal squad won't become the next Brendan Rodgers, Paul Clement or Dan Ashworth. We should treat ANY team that plays us in pre season whether from a higher or lower tier, first team, xi or development with respect. They might be bringing an Archie Stephens, Paul Randall, Micky Barrett, Barry Hayles with them...or on the other side of the coin (stepping down) a Mehew, Tillson, Channing, Roberts or Cureton. Anyway feel free to shoot this post down as you have others. One thing though, attack the post NOT the poster ..I have done NOTHING to you that gives you the right to call me or anyone else a "dick"
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Jul 9, 2015 11:23:36 GMT
No it wont get better for us as a football club when we have dicks thinking its great that we are playing someone else's under 21s in a first team game. This is exactly what Greg Dyke was proposing in his recent shake up and if he had his way this would be a league game! Its unacceptable and devalues us and we should be having no truck with it. This forum is all about opinions and you are entitled to yours and I admire the way you have defended your stance so vehemently. My thoughts are that DC is often given the perceived handicap that he has no contacts in the game...who is to say that whoever is in charge of this Arsenal squad won't become the next Brendan Rodgers, Paul Clement or Dan Ashworth. We should treat ANY team that plays us in pre season whether from a higher or lower tier, first team, xi or development with respect. They might be bringing an Archie Stephens, Paul Randall, Micky Barrett, Barry Hayles with them...or on the other side of the coin (stepping down) a Mehew, Tillson, Channing, Roberts or Cureton. Anyway feel free to shoot this post down as you have others. One thing though, attack the post NOT the poster ..I have done NOTHING to you that gives you the right to call me or anyone else a "dick" Thank you for that polite reply WG. I agree we should treat all opponents with respect and if DC can expand his contacts that's great too. It is us that is not being treated with respect by them sending down a team of kids and we seem to think it's great and we should know our place just like Mr Dyke wants us to. Meanwhile at other lowly clubs like Port Vale for example pre season games are being arranged against the likes of Getafe. For me this game is the thin end of the wedge and will become more and more normal if accepted. i also agree that posters should treat each other with respect and attack the post not the poster but if you read the thread properly you will see that my digression from this point was reactive to others not following that line in the first place. The post above you highlight was in response to exactly that. Personal insults will lead to personal insults I don't know why anyone would think it wouldn't! This whole topic to me is just a small part of my massive frustration with the way the game is run so that those that have the most get the most and how we have ended up so accepting of it all. So many of the changes the FA have agreed to or are now proposing are from behind the smokescreen that it will be good for the game as a whole and especially the national team. It is nothing of the sort of course it is all about feeding the fat pigs to get ever fatter whilst the rest of us right down to parks football scrabble around for any crumbs that fall off their table. What they forget though is that if the lower league professional game is unsustainable or the gap between the elite and the rest gets ever bigger the supply lines of quality English players will diminish. Unless that is the grand plan they have is to do away with clubs such as ours and have the divisions populated by their reserve, thirds and development squads!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2015 11:26:14 GMT
Didn't we play a Reading XI or something recently as they split their squad Wasn't that last season?
Reading fixture lined up, nobody thought any more of it, until someone pointed out that they were also playing someone else the same day?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2015 11:28:40 GMT
Didn't we play a Reading XI or something recently as they split their squad Wasn't that last season?
Reading fixture lined up, nobody thought any more of it, until someone pointed out that they were also playing someone else the same day?
Honestly one of the best games I've ever been too / drank a lot.
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