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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Jul 4, 2015 11:04:49 GMT
I wouldn't attend games if Rovers were to employ a convicted rapist. Would you have your bins emptied by a convicted rapist or shop at a company that employs a convicted rapist?
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Post by interceptor on Jul 4, 2015 11:10:41 GMT
I wouldn't attend games if Rovers were to employ a convicted rapist. Would you have your bins emptied by a convicted rapist or shop at a company that employs a convicted rapist? Even more important would you see a physio the rapist
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2015 11:15:24 GMT
I wouldn't attend games if Rovers were to employ a convicted rapist. Tyson is a convicted rapist, but was that conviction sound?
Plenty of evidence to demonstrate that it wasn't, and that if the case were heard again and all of the evidence that was available when the original case was heard were allowed to be submitted the verdict would be different.
As for our new lad, I haven't waded through all of the posts, so sorry if this has already been covered, I thought that he was innocent until proven guilty, he hasn't been proven guilty, so he's innocent?
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Post by alwaysgas on Jul 4, 2015 12:16:04 GMT
I wouldn't attend games if Rovers were to employ a convicted rapist. Tyson is a convicted rapist, but was that conviction sound?
Plenty of evidence to demonstrate that it wasn't, and that if the case were heard again and all of the evidence that was available when the original case was heard were allowed to be submitted the verdict would be different.
As for our new lad, I haven't waded through all of the posts, so sorry if this has already been covered, I thought that he was innocent until proven guilty, he hasn't been proven guilty, so he's innocent?
Unless CGH knows the jury split it could have been 9 voting not guilty and 3 not able to make up their minds. What we do know is that the CPS did not think that there was enough chance of a guilty verdict to ask for a retrial, end of. It will be interesting to see how he links up with LB and he should create a lot of space for our frontmen.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 4, 2015 12:17:19 GMT
At the end of the day he's now a Rovers player and so if he's any good Gasheads will support him if he's useless fans will soon be on his back, regardless of what "baggage" he comes with.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2015 12:23:57 GMT
I wouldn't attend games if Rovers were to employ a convicted rapist. Would you have your bins emptied by a convicted rapist or shop at a company that employs a convicted rapist? Unfortunately, the council don't give me the ability to tick a box on to say "Does not want convicted rapists emptying my bins" nor do most companies that employ them feed that information to the public. I wouldn't knowingly do it though, no.
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Post by bttrsblue on Jul 4, 2015 13:01:34 GMT
Oh my days! 2 million sperm and you were the fastest? You need help. How about the other way around. £50 if you find a court record that says he was found 'guilty' of the rape allegation. Good luck with that sunshine. Here is a tip. Try reading again my comments but this time dont be selective on what you read as you may be surprised to see that I have said he was NOT found 'guilty' AND NOT found 'not guilty'. This, you have said yourself. So we are in agreement with each other about the outcome of the rape allegation. So why do you keep trying to argue your point with me? What on earth is your issue here? Explain because you are not making any sense, at all. You obviously dont accept the phrase I used which was - Not guilty until proven guilty. We established that he was not found guilty of rape, unlike Ched Evans for example. If he was not found guilty then leave him alone and me for that matter. Yes of course not being found 'not guilty' doesnt look good but it also doesnt make him guilty either. This is where you fail to grasp the understanding. If you will, like me, give Montano the benefit of doubt then shut up and stop going on. Leave his past behind and look to the future, like the majority of us will be. If you wont give him the benefit of the doubt then I will respect your opinion but 100% disagree with it. Either way, I have dumbed myself down enough to your level to help open your mind and that was too far of a drop for me. I refuse to debate this with you any further. Trust me, this is not for just my benefit. Its for your benefit too, to help you to stop making yourself look even more stupid. You're not taking up the challenge then? Didn't think you would. But you are right we seem to be in perfect agreement that he wasn't found not guilty. It's a shame that people don't seem to understand the British legal system and keep on spouting about him being not guilty or innocent. I'm absolutely certain that Christian would've preferred that the judge had announced him as not guilty like the other defendents instead of saying the jury couldn't reach agreement. Not my problem though I have tried to educate people on this forum but people know best & don't seem, to want to be educated. Again there is someone on another thread spouting on that the Wonga company will own the Mem because of their charge, just seems you can't educate some people. What this thread has shown though is that apart from a few YouTube clips no-one has seen this guy play so if we admit it none of us no whether he is a good signing or not. Of course there are the people that say DCs signed him so he most be good (I mean let's forget about Jamie White or Goldberg or Wall) or those that seem to be saying he's played in L1 so he must be good (well I''l give you Robbie Ryan to counter that argument). So I'll just sit here & think I hope he's good signing. As to someone bringing up Ched Evans if you understand & accept the British legal system then it's not a case of signing or not signing a rapist, the only consideration is whether he is better than the players you have and if you view he his then will his impact on the pitch out way any impact on a clubs reputation & commercial activities. Wow CGH, what's it like up there on your high horse! You may know the British legal system, but obviously don't understand simple logic. The jury didn't find him guilty therefore he is not a guilty man ie not guilty! Not in the legal sense, but in the sense of he hasn't been punished, he has not got a criminal record for it. Either way, he's a young chap who has made mistakes. Who hasn't!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2015 13:19:47 GMT
How about the other way around. £50 if you find a court record that says he was found 'guilty' of the rape allegation. You're not taking up the challenge then? Didn't think you would. I see you didnt take up my offer either. Strange that!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2015 13:33:06 GMT
I wouldn't attend games if Rovers were to employ a convicted rapist. Would you have your bins emptied by a convicted rapist or shop at a company that employs a convicted rapist? No. I wouldnt want a convicted rapist (someone who would be on the sex register list) anywhere near my place. However you cant compare a binman or someone working in a shop with a footballer. If Rovers signed a convicted rapist, fans would know this due to endless details you can find of said person online and then you have a choice to attend games or not. Exactly what chewbacca is on about. However, you wouldnt know the person who is collecting your bins so you wouldnt know if that person was a convicted rapist. Same applies with someone working at the shop. Unless you knew the name of the person and did a check (if thats even possible), then you can decide not to shop at that shop. And you can decide to take your own rubbish to the tip so your bins wont need to be emptied by this convicted rapist. Or you can complain to your local council etc. I appreciate these people need jobs and not just be supported by the tax payer. But I would reserve the right not to be anywhere near or in association with a convicted rapist. Thankfully for people like me and chewbacca, Montano wasnt found guilty of rape.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2015 13:37:55 GMT
You're not taking up the challenge then? Didn't think you would. But you are right we seem to be in perfect agreement that he wasn't found not guilty. It's a shame that people don't seem to understand the British legal system and keep on spouting about him being not guilty or innocent. I'm absolutely certain that Christian would've preferred that the judge had announced him as not guilty like the other defendents instead of saying the jury couldn't reach agreement. Not my problem though I have tried to educate people on this forum but people know best & don't seem, to want to be educated. Again there is someone on another thread spouting on that the Wonga company will own the Mem because of their charge, just seems you can't educate some people. What this thread has shown though is that apart from a few YouTube clips no-one has seen this guy play so if we admit it none of us no whether he is a good signing or not. Of course there are the people that say DCs signed him so he most be good (I mean let's forget about Jamie White or Goldberg or Wall) or those that seem to be saying he's played in L1 so he must be good (well I''l give you Robbie Ryan to counter that argument). So I'll just sit here & think I hope he's good signing. As to someone bringing up Ched Evans if you understand & accept the British legal system then it's not a case of signing or not signing a rapist, the only consideration is whether he is better than the players you have and if you view he his then will his impact on the pitch out way any impact on a clubs reputation & commercial activities. Wow CGH, what's it like up there on your high horse! You may know the British legal system, but obviously don't understand simple logic. The jury didn't find him guilty therefore he is not a guilty man ie not guilty! Not in the legal sense, but in the sense of he hasn't been punished, he has not got a criminal record for it. Spot on. Bravo to you sir but im afraid that your post will fall on deaf ears.
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Post by stevethepirate on Jul 4, 2015 13:51:53 GMT
I wouldn't attend games if Rovers were to employ a convicted rapist. Good job Christian isn't one then. People are sometimes accused and tried for things they did not do. Sometimes our two tier justice system gets it right. I would expect the "there's no smoke without fire " argument to come out somewhere, if so, then explain a smoke machine. Every male under 65 on this forum breaks the law every week, including me. Let the guy have a chance to prove himself both on and off the field. The manager will have gone the extra yard to ensure he is legit so give him a break FFS!
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Jul 4, 2015 14:45:26 GMT
Amazing how threatened & worked up people get when you post facts on here.
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Post by stevethepirate on Jul 4, 2015 15:16:03 GMT
Amazing how threatened & worked up people get when you post facts on here. Speaking personally feeling neither worked up or threatened about this just passing an opinion like everyone else. By the way will you be practicing the long bow for an hour tomorrow? No, then you are a criminal.
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Post by dagnogo on Jul 4, 2015 16:19:12 GMT
Amazing how threatened & worked up people get when you post facts on here. You posted the fact that he didn't get found guilty, and folk treated this as if he hadn't been convicted. Which he hadn't.
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Post by harrogategas on Jul 4, 2015 16:43:11 GMT
All history, the boy is here to play for Rovers. Give him a chance and put an end to this thread.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2015 17:09:01 GMT
Amazing how threatened & worked up people get when you post facts on here. You posted the fact that he didn't get found guilty, and folk treated this as if he hadn't been convicted. Which he hadn't. Haha dont confuse the poor soul dagnogo. CGH will just repeat himself again! You came across very threatened and all worked up by the way due to his "facts"
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2015 17:58:57 GMT
All history, the boy is here to play for Rovers. Give him a chance and put an end to this thread. Fully agree with you. At the end of the day DC has employed him to play for us, let's get behind the lad and give him a chance. DC has proved with Ellis that he can do the job, so lets just wait and see what happans. Roll on the friendlies I am looking forward to seeing what we can do now we are back in the league.
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Post by chippenhamgas on Jul 4, 2015 18:24:07 GMT
All history, the boy is here to play for Rovers. Give him a chance and put an end to this thread. Fully agree with you. At the end of the day DC has employed him to play for us, let's get behind the lad and give him a chance. DC has proved with Ellis that he can do the job, so lets just wait and see what happans. Roll on the friendlies I am looking forward to seeing what we can do now we are back in the league. bang on, this guy clearly has bags of ability from the clips shared on here, that isn't in doubt. You'd like to think that in his time away from england he's reflected on past behaviour and sorted his attitude out. Ellis had similar stuff going on, and as we've seen his ability has gradually shone through as his baggage has been shed. Quite frankly if this guy focuses soley on the football, a forward line of him, easter, taylor and harrison with lines, mansell and sinclair in midfield has the potential to be formidable.
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Post by badbloodash on Jul 5, 2015 9:37:54 GMT
I wouldn't attend games if Rovers were to employ a convicted rapist. Why is rape worse than murder or manslaughter ? Perhaps he shouldn't be allowed to work then ? If that's the case why not go the full hog and ban fans from games if they have a criminal record I think you might be lonely in the blackthorn or do we punish certain crimes twice
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Post by chelt_gas on Jul 5, 2015 9:50:00 GMT
I wouldn't attend games if Rovers were to employ a convicted rapist. Why is rape worse than murder or manslaughter ? Perhaps he shouldn't be allowed to work then ? If that's the case why not go the full hog and ban fans from games if they have a criminal record I think you might be lonely in the blackthorn or do we punish certain crimes twice Even further, would you attend games if there were convicted fellans in the crowd? Oh wait. The justice system in this country is so imperfect that even if there was a conviction half of the time it's because of either the mood of the CPS or the ability of one side to instruct better lawyers than the other.
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