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Post by droitwichgas on Jul 3, 2015 10:20:49 GMT
Or Oldham settled the case on the QT? Although having been caught out on a sting operation I doubt he'd be daft enough to try it again, but trying to get booked on purpose, and it appears failing, is hardly the biggest crime in football it's hardly in the trying to fix results category?
At the end of the day if DC's picked up a bargain nobody else will touch isn't that good business compared to the PB/MM signings in the past?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 10:24:05 GMT
It's quite funny that when Matt Le Tissier openly admits trying to spot fix football matches it's all "Ah that's funny, lovely bloke, blah, blah, blah" when it's a lower league player that isn't actually proved to have done it they're a bad egg and s**t bloke.
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Post by Isaac Hunt on Jul 3, 2015 10:30:31 GMT
It's quite funny that when Matt Le Tissier openly admits trying to spot fix football matches it's all "Ah that's funny, lovely bloke, blah, blah, blah" when it's a lower league player that isn't actually proved to have done it they're a bad egg and s*** bloke. Ah but Cristian doesn't have a nose that can sniff under his own chin...
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Jul 3, 2015 11:00:00 GMT
It's quite funny that when Matt Le Tissier openly admits trying to spot fix football matches it's all "Ah that's funny, lovely bloke, blah, blah, blah" when it's a lower league player that isn't actually proved to have done it they're a bad egg and s*** bloke. I'm with you I find it hilarious that a professional footballer couldn't get a booking without being caught.
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Post by thecuregalore94 on Jul 3, 2015 12:38:55 GMT
A peculiar signing indeed - but I won't pass a word of judgment until I've seen him wear the quarters and showcase his talent.
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Post by irishrover on Jul 3, 2015 13:20:59 GMT
The guy has been found guilty of precisely nothing, for all anyone knows there's someone out there with an agenda against him.
As I have no further information I will judge him on the pitch and in that sense he seems a good signing. A player who has performed at a higher level, has something to prove and who plays in a position which we badly needed to upgrade. Everything else is just speculation really.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 16:11:11 GMT
Yes and no. He started the process then dropped it. Its a strange one for me. Here we have Cristian who has been found NOT GUILTY for rape claims yet Oldham sack him. But not long after, Oldham tried to sign a convicted rapist in Ched Evans. Strange. Well actually if you read about the case his co-defendents were found not guilty on his charge the jury couldn't reach a verdict so he was neither found guilty or not guilty. As to suing Oldham and then dropping the case would suggest he either had a very weak case or didn't want other things to be made public. How do you treat someone who was found neither not guilty or guilty? My answer is to give him the benefit of the doubt. Its a shame that some treat him as guilty when not found guilty.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 3, 2015 18:53:30 GMT
The guy has been found guilty of precisely nothing, for all anyone knows there's someone out there with an agenda against him. As I have no further information I will judge him on the pitch and in that sense he seems a good signing. A player who has performed at a higher level, has something to prove and who plays in a position which we badly needed to upgrade. Everything else is just speculation really. I doubt The Sun reporter would have a grudge against a Div 1 player, and the video looks quite damning to me, he can really count himself lucky that Tulisa nailed the chief witness! As far as the rape charge given a jury couldn't reach a verdict that suggests some jury members felt he was guilty so it was hardly some wild accusations made against him. At the end of the day FGR etc have actual convicts in thier side so I guess we should just worry about what he does on the pitch next season.
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Jul 3, 2015 20:24:07 GMT
Well actually if you read about the case his co-defendents were found not guilty on his charge the jury couldn't reach a verdict so he was neither found guilty or not guilty. As to suing Oldham and then dropping the case would suggest he either had a very weak case or didn't want other things to be made public. How do you treat someone who was found neither not guilty or guilty? My answer is to give him the benefit of the doubt. Its a shame that some treat him as guilty when not found guilty. Who is treating him as guilty? I'm merely stating the facts that others obviously aren't aware of. I think though a really good question would be to ask him why he dropped his case against Oldham.
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Jul 3, 2015 20:27:01 GMT
Sorry UTG I should've reiterated that he wasn't found not guilty, unlike the rest of the defendants who were found not guilty. Perhaps you can’t understand the difference between not guilty and the jury not coming to a decision
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 21:09:27 GMT
How do you treat someone who was found neither not guilty or guilty? My answer is to give him the benefit of the doubt. Its a shame that some treat him as guilty when not found guilty. Who is treating him as guilty? I'm merely stating the facts that others obviously aren't aware of. I think though a really good question would be to ask him why he dropped his case against Oldham. Obviously many are. Did I say you were? Also its clear what you were merely stating. Dont need to repeat yourself.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 21:12:16 GMT
Sorry UTG I should've reiterated that he wasn't found not guilty, unlike the rest of the defendants who were found not guilty. Perhaps you can’t understand the difference between not guilty and the jury not coming to a decision Apology accepted. Oh and perhaps I can understand the difference but CHOOSE to accept the FACT he was NOT found guilty. Yes he wasnt found not guilty either. So at the end of the day is he a criminal or not? Obviously NOT. So he should be given the benefit of the doubt by us. Now perhaps you dont understand that! Frankly I dont care if you do or dont.
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Jul 3, 2015 21:36:28 GMT
Sorry UTG I should've reiterated that he wasn't found not guilty, unlike the rest of the defendants who were found not guilty. Perhaps you can’t understand the difference between not guilty and the jury not coming to a decision Apology accepted. Oh and perhaps I can understand the difference but CHOOSE to accept the FACT he was NOT found guilty. Yes he wasnt found not guilty either. So at the end of the day is he a criminal or not? Obviously NOT. So he should be given the benefit of the doubt by us. Now perhaps you dont understand that! Frankly I dont care if you do or dont. Oh dear I've hit a sore point, discount the British legal system if u like but the legal system has stood umpteen years of scrutiny.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 21:58:05 GMT
Apology accepted. Oh and perhaps I can understand the difference but CHOOSE to accept the FACT he was NOT found guilty. Yes he wasnt found not guilty either. So at the end of the day is he a criminal or not? Obviously NOT. So he should be given the benefit of the doubt by us. Now perhaps you dont understand that! Frankly I dont care if you do or dont. Oh dear I've hit a sore point, discount the British legal system if u like but the legal system has stood umpteen years of scrutiny. What on earth are you banging on about now? Oh dear dear dear. My point has been clearly made which you cannot grasp. I refuse to dumb it down any further to your level for you to get an understanding of it. Also im not into repeating myself. I leave that to you. Goodnight to you.
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Jul 3, 2015 22:09:10 GMT
Charity time You are obviously slow of learning. But shall we say £50 to a charity of your choice if you can find a court record that says he was found not guilty on the rape charge? My charity is St Peters Hospice. Tell me yours if you find the evidence, happy to pay up.
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Post by chelt_gas on Jul 3, 2015 23:06:35 GMT
I'd be supportive of daryll signing Ched Evans.
Characters are not static and bad press can be as much a result of reporting past misdemeanours as they can be logging rumours or stories which players can't control.
The press and society can wreck an innocent man
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2015 0:53:09 GMT
Charity time You are obviously slow of learning. But shall we say £50 to a charity of your choice if you can find a court record that says he was found not guilty on the rape charge? My charity is St Peters Hospice. Tell me yours if you find the evidence, happy to pay up. Oh my days! 2 million sperm and you were the fastest? You need help. How about the other way around. £50 if you find a court record that says he was found 'guilty' of the rape allegation. Good luck with that sunshine. Here is a tip. Try reading again my comments but this time dont be selective on what you read as you may be surprised to see that I have said he was NOT found 'guilty' AND NOT found 'not guilty'. This, you have said yourself. So we are in agreement with each other about the outcome of the rape allegation. So why do you keep trying to argue your point with me? What on earth is your issue here? Explain because you are not making any sense, at all. You obviously dont accept the phrase I used which was - Not guilty until proven guilty. We established that he was not found guilty of rape, unlike Ched Evans for example. If he was not found guilty then leave him alone and me for that matter. Yes of course not being found 'not guilty' doesnt look good but it also doesnt make him guilty either. This is where you fail to grasp the understanding. If you will, like me, give Montano the benefit of doubt then shut up and stop going on. Leave his past behind and look to the future, like the majority of us will be. If you wont give him the benefit of the doubt then I will respect your opinion but 100% disagree with it. Either way, I have dumbed myself down enough to your level to help open your mind and that was too far of a drop for me. I refuse to debate this with you any further. Trust me, this is not for just my benefit. Its for your benefit too, to help you to stop making yourself look even more stupid.
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Post by warmleygas on Jul 4, 2015 4:16:26 GMT
I'd be supportive of daryll signing Ched Evans. Characters are not static and bad press can be as much a result of reporting past misdemeanours as they can be logging rumours or stories which players can't control. The press and society can wreck an innocent man Exactly do we know anything about the circumstances under which he was charged etc etc?? The guy is innocent,plenty of people get arrested and even charged for things they didin't do. Some poor sods even end up spending 16 years in prison (Birmingham six, Guildford four), so yeah leave the lad alone.
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Jul 4, 2015 10:53:04 GMT
Charity time You are obviously slow of learning. But shall we say £50 to a charity of your choice if you can find a court record that says he was found not guilty on the rape charge? My charity is St Peters Hospice. Tell me yours if you find the evidence, happy to pay up. Oh my days! 2 million sperm and you were the fastest? You need help. How about the other way around. £50 if you find a court record that says he was found 'guilty' of the rape allegation. Good luck with that sunshine. Here is a tip. Try reading again my comments but this time dont be selective on what you read as you may be surprised to see that I have said he was NOT found 'guilty' AND NOT found 'not guilty'. This, you have said yourself. So we are in agreement with each other about the outcome of the rape allegation. So why do you keep trying to argue your point with me? What on earth is your issue here? Explain because you are not making any sense, at all. You obviously dont accept the phrase I used which was - Not guilty until proven guilty. We established that he was not found guilty of rape, unlike Ched Evans for example. If he was not found guilty then leave him alone and me for that matter. Yes of course not being found 'not guilty' doesnt look good but it also doesnt make him guilty either. This is where you fail to grasp the understanding. If you will, like me, give Montano the benefit of doubt then shut up and stop going on. Leave his past behind and look to the future, like the majority of us will be. If you wont give him the benefit of the doubt then I will respect your opinion but 100% disagree with it. Either way, I have dumbed myself down enough to your level to help open your mind and that was too far of a drop for me. I refuse to debate this with you any further. Trust me, this is not for just my benefit. Its for your benefit too, to help you to stop making yourself look even more stupid. You're not taking up the challenge then? Didn't think you would. But you are right we seem to be in perfect agreement that he wasn't found not guilty. It's a shame that people don't seem to understand the British legal system and keep on spouting about him being not guilty or innocent. I'm absolutely certain that Christian would've preferred that the judge had announced him as not guilty like the other defendents instead of saying the jury couldn't reach agreement. Not my problem though I have tried to educate people on this forum but people know best & don't seem, to want to be educated. Again there is someone on another thread spouting on that the Wonga company will own the Mem because of their charge, just seems you can't educate some people. What this thread has shown though is that apart from a few YouTube clips no-one has seen this guy play so if we admit it none of us no whether he is a good signing or not. Of course there are the people that say DCs signed him so he most be good (I mean let's forget about Jamie White or Goldberg or Wall) or those that seem to be saying he's played in L1 so he must be good (well I''l give you Robbie Ryan to counter that argument). So I'll just sit here & think I hope he's good signing. As to someone bringing up Ched Evans if you understand & accept the British legal system then it's not a case of signing or not signing a rapist, the only consideration is whether he is better than the players you have and if you view he his then will his impact on the pitch out way any impact on a clubs reputation & commercial activities.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2015 10:55:19 GMT
I wouldn't attend games if Rovers were to employ a convicted rapist.
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