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Post by GasMacc1 on Feb 4, 2015 22:45:59 GMT
We are missing his energy and his all-action style. But how effective are Rovers without Stuart Sinclair? These tables quantify the terrace murmurings: proportionally, we win more (and draw fewer) with him in the team. (The "With Sinclair" table includes appearances as substitute. Cup games excluded). With Sinclair
| Games | % | | Won | 13 | 50.0 | | Drawn | 10 | 38.5 | | Lost | 3 | 11.5 |
No Sinclair
| Games | % | | Won | 2 | 33.3 | | Drawn | 3 | 50.0 | | Lost | 1 | 16.7 |
The two games Rovers won without SS were the two games against Telford. The three draws were Aldershot (A) and the two last ones: Woking and Dartford. And we lost at home to Forest Green Rovers without SS. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 5, 2015 8:30:52 GMT
So if we held out for a 2-1 draw on Saturday the stats would have looked v. similar? Which suggests his influence is not anywhere near where we thought it was?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2015 8:53:31 GMT
So if we held out for a 2-1 draw on Saturday the stats would have looked v. similar? Which suggests his influence is not anywhere near where we thought it was? ...but we didn't. |
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Post by GasMacc1 on Feb 5, 2015 9:01:32 GMT
Yes. I should explain that I'd picked up the thought (from this forum, or by overhearing comments at Woking and Dartford) that we're less effective without SS and wanted to see if the stats supported that view. I agree with you - there's not much in it. So, to put a positive spin on it, we should not be fearful that the team is at a huge disadvantage just because SS is not available for a few matches. (I can't get out of my head, though, that SS's replacement and match-winning goalscorer in both the games we won without him was... Ollie Clarke!)  |
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Post by laughinggas on Feb 5, 2015 9:19:02 GMT
There have been 3 games where he has been moved from alongside Mansell and the game has changed in our favour.
I am still not sure about him. While he covers lots of ground and closes players down he must put a strain on other players as you are never sure where he is.
How many goals or assists do the stats say.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Feb 5, 2015 9:20:54 GMT
Yes. I should explain that I'd picked up the thought (from this forum, or by overhearing comments at Woking and Dartford) that we're less effective without SS and wanted to see if the stats supported that view. I agree with you - there's not much in it. So, to put a positive spin on it, we should not be fearful that the team is at a huge disadvantage just because SS is not available for a few matches. (I can't get out of my head, though, that SS's replacement and match-winning goalscorer in both the games we won without him was... Ollie Clarke!) Yeah, you can't really judge on such a small sample. Of course we can all judge by watching him play. But, one crappy goalkeeper's punch/refereeing decision would make all the difference with that sample, and you can't really put that down to Sincs' presence. |
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Post by faggotygas on Feb 5, 2015 9:28:04 GMT
We are missing his energy and his all-action style. But how effective are Rovers without Stuart Sinclair? These tables quantify the terrace murmurings: proportionally, we win more (and draw fewer) with him in the team. (The "With Sinclair" table includes appearances as substitute. Cup games excluded). With Sinclair
| Games | % | | Won | 13 | 50.0 | | Drawn | 10 | 38.5 | | Lost | 3 | 11.5 |
No Sinclair
| Games | % | | Won | 2 | 33.3 | | Drawn | 3 | 50.0 | | Lost | 1 | 16.7 |
The two games Rovers won without SS were the two games against Telford. The three draws were Aldershot (A) and the two last ones: Woking and Dartford. And we lost at home to Forest Green Rovers without SS. Nowhere near a big enough sample size in the 'No Sinclair' table to make a judgement based on statistics - one goal difference would change the results completely, and one goal is a pretty random event.
My gut feeling though is that Sinclair's workrate helps others to play - he's usually available for a quick pass and then moves the ball on quickly, which shifts the opposition around, creating space for others. Good player for raising tempo.
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Post by faggotygas on Feb 5, 2015 9:30:18 GMT
Yes. I should explain that I'd picked up the thought (from this forum, or by overhearing comments at Woking and Dartford) that we're less effective without SS and wanted to see if the stats supported that view. I agree with you - there's not much in it. So, to put a positive spin on it, we should not be fearful that the team is at a huge disadvantage just because SS is not available for a few matches. (I can't get out of my head, though, that SS's replacement and match-winning goalscorer in both the games we won without him was... Ollie Clarke!) Yeah, you can't really judge on such a small sample. That's what your mum said. Or, in other words, you got there before me (also what your mum said). |
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Post by michaelb on Feb 5, 2015 9:51:52 GMT
I think he is a placebo ! in as much he is quite enjoyable to watch and can lift the crowd by his enthusiasm and that makes us think we are disadvataged without him
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2015 10:02:29 GMT
Stuart allows a bit more freedom in my opinion, he pretty much plays every position bar striker. He frees up Mansell to get forward a bit more, he frees up the fullbacks to get forward a bit more, he frees up Tom Parkes to overlap and he frees up the wingers to come inside. He's certainly not the best player the club has ever seen, or even at the club at the moment but his attitude is astonishing. He's my player of the year and I think he'll be most other peoples after the attitude of players in previous years compared to his.
Stats don't lie and he probably doesn't make that much of a difference with his playing ability but I feel his leadership, drive and attitude are missed.
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Post by faggotygas on Feb 5, 2015 10:38:03 GMT
I think he is a placebo ! in as much he is quite enjoyable to watch and can lift the crowd by his enthusiasm and that makes us think we are disadvataged without him Probably not far wrong, but more for his effect on other players than on the fans. He's not all that talented, average skills really, although his does read a game pretty well. But with that work rate, and the way he lifts the tempo, wouldn't you love playing alongside him? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2015 10:41:41 GMT
I think he is a placebo ! in as much he is quite enjoyable to watch and can lift the crowd by his enthusiasm and that makes us think we are disadvataged without him Probably not far wrong, but more for his effect on other players than on the fans. He's not all that talented, average skills really, although his does read a game pretty well. But with that work rate, and the way he lifts the tempo, wouldn't you love playing alongside him? I think he'd just be cracking to hang around with, all the players seemingly love him, he seems like a superb character to have around. I imagine when he turned up on the first day of training some players would have looked him up and down and gone "what on earth is he". Then he ran them all into the ground with a smile on his face. I hope he stays with us for a long time and keeps developing, as the club develops with him. It could be a long, beautiful and successful romance. |
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Post by Igitur on Feb 5, 2015 10:46:42 GMT
It's dangerous to allow a player to become a talisman. It happened all too often with England when the likes of Keegan, Robson, Shearer etc were missing the crowd, and often the team, thought we were beaten before the game started. A more aggressive 'putting the foot in' midfielder may have been a better option in the window, but we also needed a creative player which hopefully Wakefield is - let's see.
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Post by irishrover on Feb 5, 2015 11:12:33 GMT
It's dangerous to allow a player to become a talisman. It happened all too often with England when the likes of Keegan, Robson, Shearer etc were missing the crowd, and often the team, thought we were beaten before the game started. A more aggressive 'putting the foot in' midfielder may have been a better option in the window, but we also needed a creative player which hopefully Wakefield is - let's see. Quite right - we really want to avoid signing good players that people like...... I take the point (I think) but I'd worry about it more from the other side. Sinclair is effective and fun to watch but he's not Rickie Lambert and if we're really pinning our promotion hopes on Sinclair that's a pretty sad state of affairs really. Others need to step up. |
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Post by Igitur on Feb 5, 2015 11:28:10 GMT
It's dangerous to allow a player to become a talisman. It happened all too often with England when the likes of Keegan, Robson, Shearer etc were missing the crowd, and often the team, thought we were beaten before the game started. A more aggressive 'putting the foot in' midfielder may have been a better option in the window, but we also needed a creative player which hopefully Wakefield is - let's see. Quite right - we really want to avoid signing good players that people like...... I take the point ( I think) but I'd worry about it more from the other side. Sinclair is effective and fun to watch but he's not Rickie Lambert and if we're really pinning our promotion hopes on Sinclair that's a pretty sad state of affairs really. Others need to step up. You do! |
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Post by michaelb on Feb 5, 2015 11:42:51 GMT
I think he is a placebo ! in as much he is quite enjoyable to watch and can lift the crowd by his enthusiasm and that makes us think we are disadvataged without him Probably not far wrong, but more for his effect on other players than on the fans. He's not all that talented, average skills really, although his does read a game pretty well. But with that work rate, and the way he lifts the tempo, wouldn't you love playing alongside him? Yes, I would love to play alongside him, sadly, at my age i find it hard to pass wind let alone a ball !  |
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Post by Alveston Gas on Feb 5, 2015 13:16:55 GMT
Not just a decent player but a bloody nice bloke too! Loving his enjoyment of being at Rovers. Saw him in Thornbury just before Xmas and he kept saying "it's brilliant", wish all footballers had the attitude that he does.
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Post by Blue Mist on Feb 5, 2015 13:55:57 GMT
We are missing his energy and his all-action style. But how effective are Rovers without Stuart Sinclair? These tables quantify the terrace murmurings: proportionally, we win more (and draw fewer) with him in the team. (The "With Sinclair" table includes appearances as substitute. Cup games excluded). With Sinclair
| Games | % | | Won | 13 | 50.0 | | Drawn | 10 | 38.5 | | Lost | 3 | 11.5 |
No Sinclair
| Games | % | | Won | 2 | 33.3 | | Drawn | 3 | 50.0 | | Lost | 1 | 16.7 |
The two games Rovers won without SS were the two games against Telford. The three draws were Aldershot (A) and the two last ones: Woking and Dartford. And we lost at home to Forest Green Rovers without SS. Come on down to geek town! Nice charts. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2015 2:04:14 GMT
I think he is a placebo ! in as much he is quite enjoyable to watch and can lift the crowd by his enthusiasm and that makes us think we are disadvataged without him i disagree,i think we are disadvantaged without him,,his movement is good,his passing accurate,his positional play disciplined and opponents always know hes on the pitch |
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Post by DudeLebowski on Feb 6, 2015 11:39:27 GMT
I read somewhere in this thread that he isn't a player that 'sticks a foot in'?!
I'd argue whoever thinks that, has never seen Sinclair tackle!
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