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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2015 17:33:08 GMT
I expect it was more than £10. it's about the best way to get to get to the desired end as soon as possible. Sainsbury's don't want to buy it and probably won't. After that it's a question of how well we come out of that and are able to move on, preferably with finding another buyer for the site, with our main aim being to build the new stadium, not to make Sainsbury's life difficult. If we'd taken compensation twelve months ago, we could be well on the way to that, time-wise and financially. We should look to move ourselves forward from the position we find ourselves in, not Aim our at fire at others (see also Wycombe Wanderers). As it is, we're at square 1. At what point are UWE going to lose patience? I doubt if the contract with them equates to a perpetual option to build on the land at some time of our convenience. No cap doffing required. Rovers have a contract with UWE as well you know and The UWE can only pull out after a predetermined time set in the contract ( Normally 5 years ). Also Rovers have to start building the Stadium within a certain timescale as per Planning permission requirements or apply for an extension to that timescale Please don't make up more stuff with the implication that you know, proclaim it as fact, and then have people swear blind to it for ever more. I'm sure there's a contract with UWE. I expect it has an expiry date, giving the option of renewal or termination, after a set period. I have no idea how long that period is, or from when it is dated. Unless you can publish that contract, you don't either, so please don't guess and proclaim its contents. What I said - based on all we know - was that it is unlikely to be open ended although, in extremis, I expect they could instigate termination before then if they lose patience or confidence. Either way, they won't wait for ever (no dates, just a simple principle) and the sooner we can start moving at that end the better, after which it would become a non-issue. My point was that we're going the long way round towards that, are no closer to it now than we were 15 months ago, that can only be edging us closer to a potential problem at that end, and that swerving that would be a valuable focus. That would be a benefit of reaching a reasonable but speedy rather than punitive settlement with Sainsbury's, which would allow us to concentrate instead on finding someone who actually wants to buy the Mem.
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Post by tauntongas on Jan 20, 2015 18:58:16 GMT
"Where did I put that contract..."
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2015 19:21:09 GMT
All so sadly predictable. So a non-league football club approx. £8mil in debt and running at a yearly loss... are taking a FTSE 100 Company to the High Court over the minutia of a "watertight" contract. Wonder who will win that particular legal battle? Tough call. Although we are probably not the most important thing on their minds right now - realistically we know it's a lost cause. If it settles out of court - the amount will be embarrassingly low and I can see the Board hinding behind some 'confidentiality clause' to avoid disclosing it. Honestly I would love to be proved wrong. But I won't be. What a total waste of time, effort and money. Desperate. Embarrassing. Stupid. I wouldn't expect anything else from our glorious leaders. See you all at Dartford. Maybe that's when our new Middle-Eastern billionaire owners will be unveiled. You have to laugh. You really have to laugh. There you go then,we are now in the same position as Trash and are the little David's taking on Goliath.I think the Rovers David will win this one as well.
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Post by matealotblue on Jan 20, 2015 19:25:12 GMT
I expect it was more than £10. it's about the best way to get to get to the desired end as soon as possible. Sainsbury's don't want to buy it and probably won't. After that it's a question of how well we come out of that and are able to move on, preferably with finding another buyer for the site, with our main aim being to build the new stadium, not to make Sainsbury's life difficult. If we'd taken compensation twelve months ago, we could be well on the way to that, time-wise and financially. We should look to move ourselves forward from the position we find ourselves in, not Aim our at fire at others (see also Wycombe Wanderers). As it is, we're at square 1. At what point are UWE going to lose patience? I doubt if the contract with them equates to a perpetual option to build on the land at some time of our convenience. No cap doffing required. Rovers have a contract with UWE as well you know and The UWE can only pull out after a predetermined time set in the contract ( Normally 5 years ). Also Rovers have to start building the Stadium within a certain timescale as per Planning permission requirements or apply for an extension to that timescale Well, to be fair, all planning permissions do have a time-scale attached to them - and we must be nearly 2 years into whatever that time-scale is. So there is a finite time by which the first sods have to be cut.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2015 19:30:02 GMT
I say well done NH and the Board for keeping going with this Sainsbury's won't be enjoying this, and I think we're in with more than a 'puncher's chance'. But we'll see. There are plenty of other things that Sainsbury's aren't enjoying at the moment, so we won't be top of the pile This! This forum is so bloody negative and begging for Rovers to fail at everything it's unbelievable! Most of you literally can't wait for us to fail so you can celebrate! It's a shame you can't get behind the club for once. But hey ho... Some of us are begging the club to stop failing at everything.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jan 20, 2015 19:50:00 GMT
Yeah, the only reason the club ever fails at anything is coz of the negativity of the fans! Of course it is.
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Post by gasbound on Jan 20, 2015 19:53:07 GMT
Rovers have a contract with UWE as well you know and The UWE can only pull out after a predetermined time set in the contract ( Normally 5 years ). Also Rovers have to start building the Stadium within a certain timescale as per Planning permission requirements or apply for an extension to that timescale Well, to be fair, all planning permissions do have a time-scale attached to them - and we must be nearly 2 years into whatever that time-scale is. So there is a finite time by which the first sods have to be cut. The S106 agreement for the UWE stadium was signed on about the 17th January 2013 and the planning approval gave 5 years in which to start the new stadium so we are two years into the building start period. if the legal bit does take until the end of the year then there should be 2 years remaining to get started BUT if the club fails to get full payment or Sainsbury's appeal the court decision then the remainig 2 years could, well, I just don't want to think about it. I am hoping the BoD know what they are doing and we will be in a position to start the build this time next year...
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Post by badbloodash on Jan 20, 2015 20:03:32 GMT
Sainsburys are a shareholders owned company as I see it they have about half a dozen supermarkets in what I would class as rovers heartland we need to let them know we won't use there shops buy petrol from them etc I have not used any of their facilities since they let it Be known they were having 2 nd thoughts let them be sure that if they stuff us we will boycott them forever hit them in the pocket it's the only language they understand .with an election up soon our local MPs should be asked where they stand regarding this as it's not just the stadium at risk but also the whole infrastructure in that area
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Jan 20, 2015 20:23:19 GMT
Numerous times on this thread and every Sainsburys thread I read people saying that if Sainsburys were confident of their position they would just walk away.
THEY HAVE JUST WALKED AWAY. That's why we are taking them to court.
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Post by toteend on Jan 20, 2015 20:34:12 GMT
What people need to remember is that UWE are also partners in this venture, and desperately want a stadium on site. So they won't pull out any time soon. As for Seth and eppinggas, whatever you are on can I have some.
It seems you should write up the follow up to conspiracy theory. You continue to think we will lose this case coz Sainsburys have more money than us.
At the end of Feb, Sainsburys must present a schedule of their defence strategy to the court to argue why the contract should not be enforced. We have to say why we think it has been completed to the extent of our requirements. If the judge says we have a justifiable argument he will then put it to the back room boys to schedule a date. If that happens that may see a decision by Sainsburys one way or the other.
From our point of view it is sh*t or bust. I think Sainsburys have a huge problem in trying to get out of this, and I feel they will pay up and landbank it.
Why do people think Sainsburys have already offered compensation? No they haven't. And if they had that would be tantamount to conceding they have broken the contract which rovers would take great delight in. Without prejudice offers carry little weight when they are 'accidentally' mentioned to a judge. He knows straight away that those offering the pay off feel they have little defence. After all, you don't offer compensation if you think you have right on your side.
feeling the blues. Why are you privy to Sainsburys walking away and no one else is? As far as I am aware, they have said nowt, so we are trying to speed up the process as we want to commence building by May, the cut off date for completion to play at UWE next season.
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Post by onedaytheuwe on Jan 20, 2015 20:43:18 GMT
The fact is this project have largely been prevented by a group of un-elected un-democratic Green - minded pressure groups. It's gives me NO pleasure in acknowledging this but a small group continued boycotting Sainsbury's and used other routes to put pressure on ( EH Prince Charles Pickles) etc etc. Even when some Green heavyweights pulled out a small band carried on. In the end Jamie C and Dianne S carried on with a few others. But look at the end result for minority groups in Bristol ? Of course our board have not communicated I feel enough with fans and painted a picture of roses . However: in the overall context I feel Sainsbury's have used and abused it's position. Therefore : I am up for some protesting within the law. It would need organising and even support from MP'S and political parties. Largely the Labour party have backed Bristol Rovers . Also the Tories have and some Liberals. A group would need to have clear aims and objectives and a desired outcome. There are many things we could do... Write to local MP'S. Start a petition . Boycott local stores. Leaflet local stores. Of course we would need to wait until the court hearing in London and reflect on the judges recommendations. However: if the judge feels we have a strong case it may be then a good time to take action.... Let's face it minority groups can win almost impossible battles. Who is to say we can;t as football fans .
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Jan 20, 2015 21:17:02 GMT
What people need to remember is that UWE are also partners in this venture, and desperately want a stadium on site. So they won't pull out any time soon. As for Seth and eppinggas, whatever you are on can I have some. It seems you should write up the follow up to conspiracy theory. You continue to think we will lose this case coz Sainsburys have more money than us. At the end of Feb, Sainsburys must present a schedule of their defence strategy to the court to argue why the contract should not be enforced. We have to say why we think it has been completed to the extent of our requirements. If the judge says we have a justifiable argument he will then put it to the back room boys to schedule a date. If that happens that may see a decision by Sainsburys one way or the other. From our point of view it is sh*t or bust. I think Sainsburys have a huge problem in trying to get out of this, and I feel they will pay up and landbank it. Why do people think Sainsburys have already offered compensation? No they haven't. And if they had that would be tantamount to conceding they have broken the contract which rovers would take great delight in. Without prejudice offers carry little weight when they are 'accidentally' mentioned to a judge. He knows straight away that those offering the pay off feel they have little defence. After all, you don't offer compensation if you think you have right on your side. feeling the blues. Why are you privy to Sainsburys walking away and no one else is? As far as I am aware, they have said nowt, so we are trying to speed up the process as we want to commence building by May, the cut off date for completion to play at UWE next season. That's about the size of it I reckon. The reason I say they have walked away is because that is what they were quoted as saying they intended to do in the writ issued in July. Since then we have overcome the last onerous condition with no support from them and if Tony Watola is to be believed we promptly set out to them our expectation and requirements to fulfill the contract.. Clearly we have not received a satisfactory response from that and you say above that as far as you are aware they have said nowt.That sounds right too because they have told us their position and that is that they are walking away. So there is nothing to say. They have walked away. If it is also true ,as you say, that they have not offered compensation it is because they believe they can just walk away, or even if they don't believe it they are going to test our resolve and take it to the wire in the hope we lose our bottle by forcing us risk taking them to court. So it is as you say "s**t or bust" . We are taking them to court, negotiations are over, they have walked away, and that's exactly what we have to do. From what is in the public domain you would think we have a more than fair chance of winning. I wouldn't be surprised therefore if they try and make us an offer on the court steps, so to speak. I am feeling strangely confident that this is going to go our way. We are at the end game AT LAST!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2015 21:19:18 GMT
feeling the blues. Why are you privy to Sainsburys walking away and no one else is? As far as I am aware, they have said nowt, so we are trying to speed up the process as we want to commence building by May, the cut off date for completion to play at UWE next season. Rovers' own writ states that Sainsbury's rep, what was his name, Ben Littman wasn't it, said to Watola and Higgs in person that they were going to walk away last April, in fact here you go, copied from Bristol Post website, As for people wanting to boycott Sainsbury's, if that means sending them a grumpy, opinionated girlfriend beating ex-England batsman, then great, that should be a good laugh, but if it means shopping elsewhere then no thanks, I'll buy petrol where it's either cheapest or most convenient, and they do 5 jam doughnuts for 75p.
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Post by onedaytheuwe on Jan 20, 2015 21:48:12 GMT
Surely: the central issue is this. What did the original contract state ? If amendments were made ( reapplying for extended hours ) : did Sainsbury's sign up to it ?. Have we the evidence ? If yes then Bob's your uncle...
Or What did the original contract state ? Did Sainsbury's state 'they wish not to proceed having had a knock back on extended hours appeal (2013) ". Therefore: we not sainsbury's are continuing the fight !. And they haven't signed any post - alpha contract. Then We are done..
Our club have indicated the first. We hope and pray that's right in late Feb...
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 20, 2015 23:03:13 GMT
It was an onerous condition we had to overcome it doesn't matter how it was achieved the fact it was achieved is all that matters.
The forthcoming hearing I assume is just going to see if we have a reasonable prospect of a case against Sainsbury's assuming we do, as we're knackered if we don't, then it could be a year or more before the actual trial date is set?
It's odd how the likes of Mayor, Leslie and even Cameron all seem to have suddenly lost interest in our case?
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Post by Gastafari on Jan 20, 2015 23:15:19 GMT
I say well done NH and the Board for keeping going with this Sainsbury's won't be enjoying this, and I think we're in with more than a 'puncher's chance'. But we'll see. There are plenty of other things that Sainsbury's aren't enjoying at the moment, so we won't be top of the pile This! This forum is so bloody negative and begging for Rovers to fail at everything it's unbelievable! Most of you literally can't wait for us to fail so you can celebrate! It's a shame you can't get behind the club for once. But hey ho... Who wants us to fail? I think all of us want Bristol Rovers to be the best they can be Which certainly isn't struggling against part timers in the Conference Yet again it also isn't being whipping boy's to the likes of Accrington, Morecombe, Burton, Stevenage and being 2 levels lower than the footballing powerhouses of Yeovil, Fleetwood and Crawley The people who run this club have mugged all of us off, in many different ways, whether it be, lies, deceit, another stadium fiasco, relegations, take your pick,if you are happy with that then well done, but dont have a hissy fit because people are pissed off!
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Post by Angas on Jan 20, 2015 23:15:25 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2015 23:22:52 GMT
Funny how some posters "re-appear" when things are bad though.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2015 23:26:06 GMT
Funny how some posters "re-appear" when things are bad though. Especially when the information they post is relevant to the discussion.
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Post by ricardo on Jan 20, 2015 23:38:46 GMT
The one positive i am able to take from this is that we are all finally going to know what is happening! No more confidentiality agreements!
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