Alveston Gas
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Post by Alveston Gas on Jun 10, 2014 21:46:36 GMT
the only hope for a bright future is the UWE being built. Why's that then? The figues never did make much sense, now the build cost is rising for both UWE and Sainsbury's, so far we have a statement saying that the figures have already drifted by £1,500,000.00. We don't know who will own the company that owns the stadium. We have no idea what revenue it will generate or who that income will go to. The present board have shown themselves capable of losing the best part of a million quid a year whilst getting relegated, so just how much income do they need to be successful? Admire your optimism, but not too sure what it's based on. How can the figures not make sense when you don't have a clue what they are. You say it yourself "no idea what revenue it will generate". So would you suggest doing nothing then, staying at the 1970s Rugger Ground known as the Mem and dying a slow death - or trying to do something a bit more radical.....up to you!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2014 23:54:29 GMT
Why's that then? The figues never did make much sense, now the build cost is rising for both UWE and Sainsbury's, so far we have a statement saying that the figures have already drifted by £1,500,000.00. We don't know who will own the company that owns the stadium. We have no idea what revenue it will generate or who that income will go to. The present board have shown themselves capable of losing the best part of a million quid a year whilst getting relegated, so just how much income do they need to be successful? Admire your optimism, but not too sure what it's based on. How can the figures not make sense when you don't have a clue what they are. You say it yourself "no idea what revenue it will generate". So would you suggest doing nothing then, staying at the 1970s Rugger Ground known as the Mem and dying a slow death - or trying to do something a bit more radical.....up to you! It's the construction figures that make no sense. I see you ignore the difficult bits of what I said, things like not even knowing who will own the company that owns UWE Why is just changing the venue going to alter anything? Someone said recently that giving our BoD a new stadium could be compared to taking a McDonald's burger cook and plonking him in a Michelin 5 star kitchen. No, I didn't suggest doing nothing, I would start by: Appointing an external business analyst to review every aspect of how the club is run. Appoint a manager with a proven track record at this level. The entire board lining up and appolgising. That act of humility would give them a human face and would quite likely dampen some of the hostility towards them. Looking at why there are splinter groups meeting when there is already a SC with 2 full Directors - when you understand that you have taken the first step towards unifying the fan base. Looking and learning at how other clubs manage communication and PR. I gave Reading my email address literally years ago, I still receive regular updates and details of promotions and offers. I was a SS member, SC member and have had a season ticket for more years than I care to remember but I never get anything from Rovers. Making sure that if there are losses they are sustainable and not just treated as loans secured against the stadium. Reinstate the official forum with competant moderators. I could go on and on, but it's only the same stuff that most posters on this forum have said time and again.
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Post by jozer on Jun 11, 2014 6:49:42 GMT
Plonking a Mcdonalds burger flipper in a 5 star resturant kitchen, Priceless! Sums it up perfectly.
New stadium, new manager, new away strip blah blah blah. Our BoD is simply not fit for purpose. They can't even make a stab of what we have. Everything Rovers need to at least survive in L1 is already here, but it's in the hands of GoD, Boycie and Higgs, and their pet supporters club, and you just can't polish a turd.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2014 6:56:58 GMT
How can the figures not make sense when you don't have a clue what they are. You say it yourself "no idea what revenue it will generate". So would you suggest doing nothing then, staying at the 1970s Rugger Ground known as the Mem and dying a slow death - or trying to do something a bit more radical.....up to you! It's the construction figures that make no sense. I see you ignore the difficult bits of what I said, things like not even knowing who will own the company that owns UWE Why is just changing the venue going to alter anything? Someone said recently that giving our BoD a new stadium could be compared to taking a McDonald's burger cook and plonking him in a Michelin 5 star kitchen. No, I didn't suggest doing nothing, I would start by: Appointing an external business analyst to review every aspect of how the club is run. Appoint a manager with a proven track record at this level. The entire board lining up and appolgising. That act of humility would give them a human face and would quite likely dampen some of the hostility towards them. Looking at why there are splinter groups meeting when there is already a SC with 2 full Directors - when you understand that you have taken the first step towards unifying the fan base. Looking and learning at how other clubs manage communication and PR. I gave Reading my email address literally years ago, I still receive regular updates and details of promotions and offers. I was a SS member, SC member and have had a season ticket for more years than I care to remember but I never get anything from Rovers. Making sure that if there are losses they are sustainable and not just treated as loans secured against the stadium. Reinstate the official forum with competant moderators. I could go on and on, but it's only the same stuff that most posters on this forum have said time and again. As much as i agree with some of your suggestions, the board will see the group of people with Hostility towards them as a mere pimple on the backside of Bristol Rovers, which has to be squeezed. The will feel that these people only represent on a few percent of the supporting public and just treat these people as a minority group, a bit like the green party is in Bristol
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Post by Lazza on Jun 11, 2014 10:31:30 GMT
It's the construction figures that make no sense. I see you ignore the difficult bits of what I said, things like not even knowing who will own the company that owns UWE Why is just changing the venue going to alter anything? Someone said recently that giving our BoD a new stadium could be compared to taking a McDonald's burger cook and plonking him in a Michelin 5 star kitchen. No, I didn't suggest doing nothing, I would start by: Appointing an external business analyst to review every aspect of how the club is run. Appoint a manager with a proven track record at this level. The entire board lining up and appolgising. That act of humility would give them a human face and would quite likely dampen some of the hostility towards them. Looking at why there are splinter groups meeting when there is already a SC with 2 full Directors - when you understand that you have taken the first step towards unifying the fan base. Looking and learning at how other clubs manage communication and PR. I gave Reading my email address literally years ago, I still receive regular updates and details of promotions and offers. I was a SS member, SC member and have had a season ticket for more years than I care to remember but I never get anything from Rovers. Making sure that if there are losses they are sustainable and not just treated as loans secured against the stadium. Reinstate the official forum with competant moderators. I could go on and on, but it's only the same stuff that most posters on this forum have said time and again. As much as i agree with some of your suggestions, the board will see the group of people with Hostility towards them as a mere pimple on the backside of Bristol Rovers, which has to be squeezed. The will feel that these people only represent on a few percent of the supporting public and just treat these people as a minority group, a bit like the green party is in Bristol I get what you're saying Henbury but do you really think it's just small groups of supporters that BoD view with contempt? I would go as far as saying they treat the WHOLE fanbase in that manner. And that is and always will be the problem.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2014 10:40:49 GMT
As much as i agree with some of your suggestions, the board will see the group of people with Hostility towards them as a mere pimple on the backside of Bristol Rovers, which has to be squeezed. The will feel that these people only represent on a few percent of the supporting public and just treat these people as a minority group, a bit like the green party is in Bristol I get what you're saying Henbury but do you really think it's just small groups of supporters that BoD view with contempt? I would go as far as saying they treat the WHOLE fanbase in that manner. And that is and always will be the problem. oh so very true
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Post by womble on Jun 11, 2014 10:49:22 GMT
It's the construction figures that make no sense. I see you ignore the difficult bits of what I said, things like not even knowing who will own the company that owns UWE Which bit of the construction figures make no sense? BRFC 1883 Ltd will own the stadium and the make up of that can change whenever anyone decides to buy or sell shares. Unless we adopt some sort of trust arrangement like Chelsea, that will continue to be the case.
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Peter Parker
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Post by Peter Parker on Jun 11, 2014 11:25:02 GMT
Assuming that it still ends up as 1883 Ltd owning the UWE, no debt will be attached to the stadium as per agreement with university
The fact that NH says the setback have allegedly cost us approx. £1.5m, not to mention the drop in to the conference, presumably 1883 Ltd is still doing to be in debt to a fair few quid. If UWE starts generating cash, where is this going to go first? Our there any agreements on repaying back loans from any profits UWE stadium generates
Now we are back to the new investors question, If they are waiting in the wings, who are they? Why are they interested in investing? And are they only interested in what they can get out of the stadium if they are going to be stumping up a bit of cash to get in on the act?
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Post by toteend on Jun 11, 2014 11:45:32 GMT
You are asking questions you know can only be answered when whoever decides the time is right. But if you ask it everyday, you will strike lucky at some point Peter.
Just like a broken watch. Even that is right twice a day.
By the way Jozer, even wood can make more sensible comments. The problem we have here is not helped by totally silly comments. If you think you are better than what we have why don't you try of offering alternatives that can proceed in the real world.
This is why I wonder why anyone with money would want to invest in a football club.
Anybody can criticise. It's far harder to offer a sensible alternative. At least the guys who met up last night are trying to offer sane alternatives, not just make a loud noise.
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Post by LJG on Jun 11, 2014 11:56:46 GMT
You are asking questions you know can only be answered when whoever decides the time is right. But if you ask it everyday, you will strike lucky at some point Peter. Just like a broken watch. Even that is right twice a day. By the way Jozer, even wood can make more sensible comments. The problem we have here is not helped by totally silly comments. If you think you are better than what we have why don't you try of offering alternatives that can proceed in the real world. This is why I wonder why anyone with money would want to invest in a football club. Anybody can criticise. It's far harder to offer a sensible alternative. At least the guys who met up last night are trying to offer sane alternatives, not just make a loud noise. It does make me laugh - people saying "If you can't afford to buy out the club or know someone who does then shut your mouth 'cause what's the alternative?" If you've got a flat tyre on a car and you can't afford to buy a new one that doesn't make the car roadworthy.
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Post by Peter Parker on Jun 11, 2014 12:14:53 GMT
You are asking questions you know can only be answered when whoever decides the time is right. But if you ask it everyday, you will strike lucky at some point Peter. Just like a broken watch. Even that is right twice a day. By the way Jozer, even wood can make more sensible comments. The problem we have here is not helped by totally silly comments. If you think you are better than what we have why don't you try of offering alternatives that can proceed in the real world. This is why I wonder why anyone with money would want to invest in a football club. Anybody can criticise. It's far harder to offer a sensible alternative. At least the guys who met up last night are trying to offer sane alternatives, not just make a loud noise. Yeah, how dare anyone be interested in the actual funding and building of the stadium and how it is going to benefit the club
I am not one of those who has been on the forums teasing new investment, or getting concert restrictions lifted that is going to make us millions. If people want to do that, then I am sure they expect questions back.
We have already gone from it leaving Rovers debt free, to no debt attached to the stadium and now with increased cost of the delays and relegation, I am sure it is fair to assume 1883 ltd will remain in a fair bit of debt is it not?
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Post by irishrover on Jun 11, 2014 16:44:32 GMT
You are asking questions you know can only be answered when whoever decides the time is right. But if you ask it everyday, you will strike lucky at some point Peter. Just like a broken watch. Even that is right twice a day. By the way Jozer, even wood can make more sensible comments. The problem we have here is not helped by totally silly comments. If you think you are better than what we have why don't you try of offering alternatives that can proceed in the real world. This is why I wonder why anyone with money would want to invest in a football club. Anybody can criticise. It's far harder to offer a sensible alternative. At least the guys who met up last night are trying to offer sane alternatives, not just make a loud noise. But you do not invest in something just to have everyone tell you how great you are for doing it - you invest because you want it to do well and therefore it's probably worth listening when some of your most passionate supporters are unhappy about aspects of what you are doing. The trouble is some people have lost the ability to tell the difference between valid constructive criticism and questions ('the club should be doing x, y and z better', 'why have are the club been struggling to compete with clubs that have nothing like our fanbase and spending?' etc) and invalid criticism ('X director is dodgy', 'they're in it for the wrong reasons', 'X is a liar' etc). Fans expect to have their concerns listened to beyond a 'shut up if you haven't got the money' attitude - this isn't any other business or it wouldn't exist because there aren't many businesses where the 91st placed business in a national market would be surviving. It's only because football clubs are different that makes them in any way viable assets anyway. Therefore it is sensible to have that kind of relationship with fans because it creates a better atmosphere than the implied 'my way or the highway' which is only going to get you support if you achieve success. If you don't achieve success it's hardly surprising people are going to moan like crazy because you are not offering anything positive at that point beyond 'things could be even worse without us' which isn't much of a case really if things are pretty bad already. Accountability and leadership is not just about owning things and spending money - it's about being responsible for the concerns of those who care about it and creating an atmosphere in which people feel valued rather than fobbed off. That is why these things are important - it's not some lala land fantasy it's key to the success of organisations that have any pretence of community about them. Of course the other way you can go is remove the pretence of community completely and just spend ridiculous amounts of money and treat fans like any other consumers. Fans still won't behave like any other consumers though (hence Cardiff fans - Tan gave them the Premier League and their still pissed off at him) so the 'put up or shut up' argument is just a dead end.
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Post by jozer on Jun 11, 2014 17:26:17 GMT
By the way Jozer, even wood can make more sensible comments. The problem we have here is not helped by totally silly comments. If you think you are better than what we have why don't you try of offering alternatives that can proceed in the real world. Which comments of mine are you talking about? Am I better than what we have? Well I don't think I could be any worse, to be honest. I know what Rovers need- to be run by someone competant, which is clearly not going to happen, because for whatever reasons the people who currently control the club are determined that it will not happen. I'm sorry if I appear flippant, but I just don't think many fans realise just how deep in the **** we are. God knows how Rovers are ever going to get out of the grip of this shower of clowns, but I do believe that it won't even stand a chance of happening until enough Gas get their heads around the fact that this BoD is a turd, and a turd you cannot polish, young Skywalker.
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Post by PessimistGas on Jun 12, 2014 7:38:07 GMT
Assuming that it still ends up as 1883 Ltd owning the UWE, no debt will be attached to the stadium as per agreement with university The fact that NH says the setback have allegedly cost us approx. £1.5m, not to mention the drop in to the conference, presumably 1883 Ltd is still doing to be in debt to a fair few quid. If UWE starts generating cash, where is this going to go first? Our there any agreements on repaying back loans from any profits UWE stadium generates Now we are back to the new investors question, If they are waiting in the wings, who are they? Why are they interested in investing? And are they only interested in what they can get out of the stadium if they are going to be stumping up a bit of cash to get in on the act? I would be very interested to see a full breakdown of this figure. I doubt that there is one as that would involve the finance director doing some work - we didn't even know the cost of relegation until a few days ago.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 12, 2014 7:54:01 GMT
I know I'm a terrible old cynic...but as a nearer to sixty than fifty I remember the day the stand burned down at Eastville, the mythical "New Stadium" at Avonmouth, the mythical "New Stadium" at The Mem and now for me the mythical "New Stadium" at UWE. I am sick of being lied to, wound up, spun, ****ed over and abused. Why do we now need a 22000 seat stadium, we're a non league club FFS and the latest club statement says "someday, one day, tell 'em Thursday but not which Thursday" Its not me that needs a holiday "methinks"...funny choice of language it is 2014 after all. We are far closer to owning a modern stadium of our own than at any point since we sold Eastville in 1940. If we have no more ambition than to remain a conference club then the Mem will probably do fine. But if we want to look at Reading, Swansea, Cardiff and Hull for instance and think maybe, just maybe, we could do that too, then we need the UWE. You might be tired of false dawns, I am sure most of us are, but I am tired of watching Rovers in third rate stadia. This is a once in a lifetime opportunity and no matter how badly the football side of it is being run, it is an opportunity we have to seize. I disagree I think we are now only as close to where we were when the club decided not to press ahead with the Mem developement, there's two big issues whether the club will want to build a 22,000 staduim whilst in the Conference and whether we can still finance plus whether Sainsbury's themselves still want to build at horfield.
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Post by PessimistGas on Jun 12, 2014 7:56:23 GMT
We are far closer to owning a modern stadium of our own than at any point since we sold Eastville in 1940. If we have no more ambition than to remain a conference club then the Mem will probably do fine. But if we want to look at Reading, Swansea, Cardiff and Hull for instance and think maybe, just maybe, we could do that too, then we need the UWE. You might be tired of false dawns, I am sure most of us are, but I am tired of watching Rovers in third rate stadia. This is a once in a lifetime opportunity and no matter how badly the football side of it is being run, it is an opportunity we have to seize. I disagree I think we are now only as close to where we were when the club decided not to press ahead with the Mem developement, there's two big issues whether the club will want to build a 22,000 staduim whilst in the Conference and whether we can still finance plus whether Sainsbury's themselves still want to build at horfield. No, because the playing side and stadium are completely separate and not connected in any way. Nick said so.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2014 8:14:15 GMT
I disagree I think we are now only as close to where we were when the club decided not to press ahead with the Mem developement, there's two big issues whether the club will want to build a 22,000 staduim whilst in the Conference and whether we can still finance plus whether Sainsbury's themselves still want to build at horfield. No, because the playing side and stadium are completely separate and not connected in any way. Nick said so. In Sir Nick we trust
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Post by onedaytheuwe on Jun 12, 2014 8:22:53 GMT
I think we are much futher away than the MEM redevelopment in 2008-9. Afterall: we all bought tickets for Cheltenham and booked our coach fares as well. Like a house exchange there was only one chain the MEM and the funding came largely from opel. This UWE situation is dependable on a massive range of factors and like I keep saying BOD is clever in not using language people can point any fingers at when it finally folds.
I hear everyday people say I "aim" to buy a house. I "intend" to buy a house. I "hope " to buy a house this year. Even Higgs said "We are back to pre- JR planning". At the end of June BOD will give a "detailed report" it will be interesting to hear the contents . However: compared to the MEM revamp we are 12 months behind that period.
In defence of BOD I think everything that you envisage to go wrong as happened. That:s why I think in the next 6 months we will receive a statement which we expect to hear similar to 2008. I suppose you cant question NH determination but with that comes honestly and reality..
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Post by LPGas on Jun 12, 2014 8:32:35 GMT
We want we want We want. You are not going to get every thing. As for knowing what the club is doing re the ground, well just waiting until all the paperwork to be signed off is my guess. As for communication, we were only one of a few clubs that had our own forum. I don't know what some of you expect, I know lots of other fans here, Brentford; Orient; Charlton; West Ham, and they don't know about how their clubs are run either. Even if Higgs won Fridays Euro millions lottery and said he would give it to the club some of you on here would want to know every detail of every pound. It ain't going to happen
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2014 8:57:04 GMT
I can only repeat what i've said previously, there are no outstanding "Non material Amendments" with North Bristol Planning, so no reason for a holdup on the planning side :england: :england: :england: That Goal - First only many these next few weeks
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