puregas
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Post by puregas on Jun 9, 2014 14:09:46 GMT
Let's face it, are we going to be happy with any signings? As it's completely new to us, unless you're gasheadwes and have some decent knowledge, we are likely to be underwhelmed by any new recruits.
They'll either be people we've never heard of, old heads on their way out, or existing players that can't go any further.
I can't think of a single signing that would excite me. It's a bit of a lose lose situation for the club.
Looking forward to the season though, the break is already too long.
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brizzle
Lindsay Parsons
No Buy . . . No Sell!
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Post by brizzle on Jun 9, 2014 14:14:06 GMT
salisbury have financial issues and with darrell clarkes salisbury connections its an opportunity for him to cherry pick there best players possibly on the cheap . . . after all, it has been reported that BRFC will not be paying a fee for any players in this close-season.
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Post by mancgas has left the building on Jun 9, 2014 14:15:08 GMT
lets face it if we took the top 2 players from top 12 conference teams we'd have a decent squad for L1 never mind conference.
If we'd done it last year we'd have players currently playing in Championship and L1, so why people have a downer on Conference players I'll never know
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Post by The Man from Del Monte on Jun 9, 2014 14:21:09 GMT
No idea what he is like. No idea whether he is any good. No idea whether he can take this club forward.
It's going to be the same with any player that comes into our club this season. They will have to prove to me that they are worthy of pulling on the quarters.
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Post by mancgas has left the building on Jun 9, 2014 14:24:39 GMT
Peterborough just signed a bloke from Dulwich Hamlet - blimey they are really scrapping bottom or barrell like us
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2014 14:28:40 GMT
Peterborough just signed a bloke from Dulwich Hamlet - blimey they are really scrapping bottom or barrell like us Quality little player is Erhun Oztumer. Another player mentioned to the old scout Stuart Gray.
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dinsdale
Andy Rammell
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Post by dinsdale on Jun 9, 2014 14:29:21 GMT
Seeing as we are in the conference, signing the people who were the best players in the conference last year seems like the most rational thing in the world. The gamble is players dropping
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Post by michaelb on Jun 9, 2014 14:40:41 GMT
Peterborough just signed a bloke from Dulwich Hamlet - blimey they are really scrapping bottom or barrell like us Hardly in context is it though,they are after all a league club, Peterborough will have players of higher quality around him to bring on what i would imagine is raw talent, whereas if we sign players from salisbury, dulwich Hamlets and the like then thats all we are likely to be. That said I don't have any answers as I am only too aware as you are of the disasters of the recruitments over the last god knows how many years if I and you did we would all be managers I guess
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Royal Blue
Michael Smith
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Post by Royal Blue on Jun 9, 2014 14:47:07 GMT
I don't see the issue with signing the two best players from a top half Conference club last season to be honest. It's inevitable that a manager will look to their former club for players but when the ones they identify have proven to be very good at the level we are about to compete in I think it's shrewd business. I was pleased with White signing and I would be with Frear joining too. His stats look impressive for last season and I am sure he will only get better with more game time.
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Post by PessimistGas on Jun 9, 2014 14:49:42 GMT
I don't see the issue with signing the two best players from a top half Conference club last season to be honest. It's inevitable that a manager will look to their former club for players but when the ones they identify have proven to be very good at the level we are about to compete in I think it's shrewd business. I was pleased with White signing and I would be with Frear joining too. His stats look impressive for last season and I am sure he will only get better with more game time. Pleased with White, worried about his injury record. It's a gamble. Hopefully we aren't paying him too much.
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Post by The Man from Del Monte on Jun 9, 2014 14:52:44 GMT
I don't see the issue with signing the two best players from a top half Conference club last season to be honest. It's inevitable that a manager will look to their former club for players but when the ones they identify have proven to be very good at the level we are about to compete in I think it's shrewd business. I was pleased with White signing and I would be with Frear joining too. His stats look impressive for last season and I am sure he will only get better with more game time. Pleased with White, worried about his injury record. It's a gamble. Hopefully we aren't paying him too much. It would certainly be nice if the contract is incentive based as DC was hinting towards in recent interviews. You play, you score, you are successful. You deserve a nice reward.
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Post by mancgas has left the building on Jun 9, 2014 14:57:21 GMT
Peterborough just signed a bloke from Dulwich Hamlet - blimey they are really scrapping bottom or barrell like us Hardly in context is it though,they are after all a league club, Peterborough will have players of higher quality around him to bring on what i would imagine is raw talent, whereas if we sign players from salisbury, dulwich Hamlets and the like then thats all we are likely to be. That said I don't have any answers as I am only too aware as you are of the disasters of the recruitments over the last god knows how many years if I and you did we would all be managers I guess No, the point is there are plenty in 'non' league who would walk in to 90% of teams in L1/L2, and wouldnt need the support from other players (and I'd add Foster and Hayles were top players virtually from day one of their time with us) Last time I looked Peterborough had 6 who played conference in the last 12-18 months so assuming its other league players pulling the non league lads through isnt exactly the whole truth. Plus they lost 3 ex conference players for fees totalling 5 million with add ons plus one on a free transfer whose at a Premier League club now. We've paid fortunes to Kenneth, O'Toole and Clarkson and got zilch back in fees I know which recruitment approach I'd like to see......
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basel
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Post by basel on Jun 9, 2014 15:47:34 GMT
As long as players are half decent,not injury prone,happy to fight for Rovers, earn their 'bonuses for winning games' and they play as a team then fine.
The recruitment of players and team building at Rovers for a few years now has been insultingly bad.
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Post by michaelb on Jun 9, 2014 16:02:42 GMT
Hardly in context is it though,they are after all a league club, Peterborough will have players of higher quality around him to bring on what i would imagine is raw talent, whereas if we sign players from salisbury, dulwich Hamlets and the like then thats all we are likely to be. That said I don't have any answers as I am only too aware as you are of the disasters of the recruitments over the last god knows how many years if I and you did we would all be managers I guess No, the point is there are plenty in 'non' league who would walk in to 90% of teams in L1/L2, and wouldnt need the support from other players (and I'd add Foster and Hayles were top players virtually from day one of their time with us) Last time I looked Peterborough had 6 who played conference in the last 12-18 months so assuming its other league players pulling the non league lads through isnt exactly the whole truth. Plus they lost 3 ex conference players for fees totalling 5 million with add ons plus one on a free transfer whose at a Premier League club now. We've paid fortunes to Kenneth, O'Toole and Clarkson and got zilch back in fees I know which recruitment approach I'd like to see......
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Post by michaelb on Jun 9, 2014 16:08:42 GMT
No, the point is there are plenty in 'non' league who would walk in to 90% of teams in L1/L2, and wouldnt need the support from other players (and I'd add Foster and Hayles were top players virtually from day one of their time with us) Last time I looked Peterborough had 6 who played conference in the last 12-18 months so assuming its other league players pulling the non league lads through isnt exactly the whole truth. Plus they lost 3 ex conference players for fees totalling 5 million with add ons plus one on a free transfer whose at a Premier League club now. We've paid fortunes to Kenneth, O'Toole and Clarkson and got zilch back in fees I know which recruitment approach I'd like to see...... Agree with that but would add that the players you refer to would of joined with fees attached as did Foster and Hayles, and the lad from Halifax (his name escapes me at present) will probably go into the league for a hefty fee, the best usually do. White and Frear as good as they may be for Salisbury are not likely with the greatest of respect to them to be in the same category as the players you refer to ,though obviously I wish them well and hope they (if Frear joins) are resounding successes. As I stated previously my fear is and i reserve judgement as it is still early days but on the basis of one signing and one rumour we will be mediocre.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2014 16:16:57 GMT
Individual signings can seem great or average,but its how they blend together and make a team,we could sign each player and be thrilled but they don't always make an effective unit. Personality and attitude around the dressing room are important,our manager hopefully can build a squad with these atributes and really get them to believe in his plans for the future. All for one and one for all siege mentality,including the fans
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me
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Post by me on Jun 9, 2014 19:16:09 GMT
Individual signings can seem great or average,but its how they blend together and make a team,we could sign each player and be thrilled but they don't always make an effective unit. Personality and attitude around the dressing room are important,our manager hopefully can build a squad with these atributes and really get them to believe in his plans for the future. All for one and one for all siege mentality,including the fans Exactly, last season we had some good individual players who could not play as a team in the way that Ward wanted. Go back to the 1990 team, Andy Reece, Ian Alexander, Devon White and Geoff Twentyman were regulars, who before signing for the gas, had not set the footballing world on fire. However Gerry Francis knew what type of players were needed to fit into his team and we all know how successful he was. I am fully behind signing the best players of our conference rivals, it's better than signing players like Constable and Midson imo
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2014 19:57:08 GMT
dont forget everyone[older fans] we signed archie stephens from melksham town and he was pretending to be 24 though he was older,27 i think! i used to love that about rovers how they just signed players from anywhere and made it work
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vaughan
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Post by vaughan on Jun 9, 2014 21:45:20 GMT
It was Steve Baddock who lied about his age, not Archie.
Steve B scored 2 in a 4-3 league win away at Wolves in 1985-6 season.
Elliott Frear will not be emulating that for a while will he?
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Post by empirebaypete on Jun 9, 2014 22:17:23 GMT
dont forget everyone[older fans] we signed archie stephens from melksham town and he was pretending to be 24 though he was older,27 i think! i used to love that about rovers how they just signed players from anywhere and made it work With Frear being a winger, I was thinking more of Phil Purnell myself. Didn't lie about his age as far as I know, but we got him from Mangotsfield. He didn't turn out too bad did he. And what has been pointed out before is that a lot of these players are as good, if not better than those already in League 2. Imagine in a years time IF we're looking forward to our first year back in League 2. Those players picked from non league will be champing at the bit to get going in the league to show what they can do. It would look great if the Rovers could get back into the league and have a team made up of players from the Conference. Yes good call Alveston Gas.
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