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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2014 15:05:46 GMT
Does anyone have a link to the BCC site showing the planning officers have recommended in Rovers favour? I have gone on the BCC site and still shows decision pending and not granted. Maybe the decision pending is about the overall decision but I cant see anywhere where it says the planning officers have recommended in Rovers favour. www.bristol.gov.uk/committee/2014/re/agenda/1112_1400_re9.htmlmove down to item one on the Agenda
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Post by irishrover on Nov 5, 2014 15:18:52 GMT
It is good news - it keeps the dream alive. But I fail to see any particular reason to be dancing in the aisles here. Several times we have thought we were nearly there and they looked far more clear cut than this. All this seems to do is mean we are still in with a chance adnd what happens next will be complex, messy and most importantly long. I'm still struggling to see building happening imminently - that's the only thing that would have me celebrating.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Nov 5, 2014 15:31:37 GMT
I don't understand. Why would a contract be like a haircut? It needs some grease to finish it? You're not suggesting a quiff of scandal are you ampg ? We don't want any more fringe players.
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Post by Curly Wurly on Nov 5, 2014 15:36:22 GMT
It is good news - it keeps the dream alive. But I fail to see any particular reason to be dancing in the aisles here. Several times we have thought we were nearly there and they looked far more clear cut than this. All this seems to do is mean we are still in with a chance adnd what happens next will be complex, messy and most importantly long. I'm still struggling to see building happening imminently - that's the only thing that would have me celebrating. You're quite right. There has been far too much premature celebration on this over the last 22 months. However, another hurdle successfully jumped is at least cause for some optimism.
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Post by Blue Mist on Nov 5, 2014 15:42:48 GMT
You're not suggesting a quiff of scandal are you ampg ? We don't want any more fringe players. It seems clear cut, in the end we gonna get rinsed.
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Post by brizzle on Nov 5, 2014 16:07:51 GMT
It is good news - it keeps the dream alive. But I fail to see any particular reason to be dancing in the aisles here. Several times we have thought we were nearly there and they looked far more clear cut than this. All this seems to do is mean we are still in with a chance adnd what happens next will be complex, messy and most importantly long. I'm still struggling to see building happening imminently - that's the only thing that would have me celebrating. You're sounding untypically downbeat this afternoon, irish. Try to keep the faith, as I believe (and hope) that we will prevail eventually. Nothing in life is easy, particularly if you live in Bristol. But the final victory will taste very sweet indeed.
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Post by frenchgashead on Nov 5, 2014 16:08:48 GMT
TRASH can't appeal against any decision made by BCC - that can only be done by the applicants i.e. Sainsbury's. What TRASH can do is see if they can get another JR - but that can't be on merits of the planning application only on the process eg failure to take account of something, not a quorum, corruption etc.
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Post by Wreckless on Nov 5, 2014 17:09:36 GMT
We don't want any more fringe players. It seems clear cut, in the end we gonna get rinsed. Then we'll get the hair drier treatment!
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Post by onedaytheuwe on Nov 5, 2014 17:54:57 GMT
A few issues to consider. I don't think extended hours will merit a full JR and neither would it fit the criteria. However: I reckon the SOS will 'call it in' based on the size and opposition ( remember NH meeting with him at the MEM ??) . This is were TRASH and co will use the anti and send many opposing views. We would need to campaign hard in support.
Once the SOS supports it which I fully expect along with Labour and Tories next week at local level. The question then is this. What game will Sainsbury:s play ?. As I said last week it could be 1 of 3.
However: today:s news is good and carries weight...
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Post by The Gas on Nov 5, 2014 19:17:32 GMT
A few issues to consider. I don't think extended hours will merit a full JR and neither would it fit the criteria. However: I reckon the SOS will 'call it in' based on the size and opposition ( remember NH meeting with him at the MEM ??) . This is were TRASH and co will use the anti and send many opposing views. We would need to campaign hard in support. Once the SOS supports it which I fully expect along with Labour and Tories next week at local level. The question then is this. What game will Sainsbury:s play ?. As I said last week it could be 1 of 3. However: today:s news is good and carries weight... See message below
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Post by The Gas on Nov 5, 2014 19:22:13 GMT
A few issues to consider. I don't think extended hours will merit a full JR and neither would it fit the criteria. However: I reckon the SOS will 'call it in' based on the size and opposition ( remember NH meeting with him at the MEM ??) . This is were TRASH and co will use the anti and send many opposing views. We would need to campaign hard in support. Once the SOS supports it which I fully expect along with Labour and Tories next week at local level. The question then is this. What game will Sainsbury:s play ?. As I said last week it could be 1 of 3. However: today:s news is good and carries weight... I cannot see how Trash can mount any legal challenge as I gather they have not paid BCC's agreed legal fees.
Perhaps Gasheads who pay Council Tax to BCC should be contacting George Ferguson for confirmation that legal proceedings will be instigated against the Directors of Trash for money owed to the Council Tax payers of Bristol.
Herewith link to George Ferguson www.bristol.gov.uk/form/mayor/contact-mayor
I do not live in Bristol so any request by me may not get consideration.
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Post by dagnogo on Nov 5, 2014 19:47:39 GMT
Henbury knew that early. Perhaps the rumours about him being an insider are true?
What does this S73 thing mean now?
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Post by mehewmagic on Nov 5, 2014 19:52:03 GMT
You have to sense this is now done deal and something is putting pressure on BCC to push this though, assuming it is approved next week can it be appealed or taken to JR etc in anyway by Trash? talking of which they, & Carstairs, seem to have gone suddendly quiet? There were 2 unnamed objections added today and one yesterday. As far as I know if the Planning Committee pass the thing next week nobody can appeal so no JR or TRASH etc. this time. I have no idea what Sainsbury's will or won't do and still think a large store in that location will turn a massive profit for them. Trouble is supermarkets are acting like politicians and looking only at the short-term at the moment - Lidl and Aldi are a bit of a fad in my opinion and the media keeps hyping them up. My experience of them is that you can get some bargains, but the service is terrible, you can't use credit cards and I'll (OK my wife) will stick with the big supermarkets, thanks very much (but will buy Lidl champagne and mulled wine). My wife would be only too keen to use Sainsbury's at The Mem. It would be the nearest to home and she can't be bothered to use the local Lidl as they don't stock everything we need. At the end of the day most people still want to get their weekly shop in one go, even if it does cost more than getting some stuff at Lidl or Aldi. Still, I don't run Sainsbury's so what do I know? not trying to poo poo your overall argument but just to state tha aldi do take credit cards now. they are trying quite hard to be 'normal', but as you said are still a small niche really and have almost identikit stores (same size).
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Post by PeterHooper57 on Nov 5, 2014 19:58:54 GMT
The Section 73 will not persuade Sainsburys to buy the MEM,it will simply improve Higgs negotiating position when both parties eventually settle the compensation claim. Rovers are no nearer building a new stadium than when we left Eastville in 1986. UTG
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 5, 2014 20:25:12 GMT
The issue is none of us know what this means for Sainsbury's, whilst the NH haters will say it just means we'll get more compensation for all we know it could mean Sainsbury's now feel the store is viable, particularly with the extended delivery hours, and will proceed with deal and build the store, or they may feel they are in a weak position and hand over the £30m before deciding what to do with the land.
We're one step nearer a new stadium but it's anybody's guess how many steps we need to make to finish the journey.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2014 20:44:04 GMT
Does anyone have a link to the BCC site showing the planning officers have recommended in Rovers favour? I have gone on the BCC site and still shows decision pending and not granted. Maybe the decision pending is about the overall decision but I cant see anywhere where it says the planning officers have recommended in Rovers favour. www.bristol.gov.uk/committee/2014/re/agenda/1112_1400_re9.htmlmove down to item one on the Agenda Thanks.
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Post by LPGas on Nov 5, 2014 20:50:00 GMT
The greens are watching TV and reading the paper, Carstairs is masturbating. That is why it's quiet
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2014 20:56:24 GMT
The greens are watching TV and reading the paper, Carstairs is masturbating. That is why it's quiet I thought carstairs looked a w*nker!
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Post by aghast on Nov 5, 2014 21:42:02 GMT
You're quite right. There has been far too much premature celebration on this over the last 22 months. However, another hurdle successfully jumped is at least cause for some optimism. The trouble is that for every hurdle we jump, another is put up. We keep leaping them, and others keep popping up. I can see a few possibles - legal challenge to the planning appeal (if successful), Sainsbury's derisory offer of compensation in lieu of full payment, long-winded court case of us vs them, scaled down and altered UWE plans requiring new planning approval, revised Sainsbury's proposal of smaller store and housing requiring new planning approval before funds are released, UWE announcing alternative plans for the site due to lack of progress from BRFC. This could run for years.
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Post by Curly Wurly on Nov 5, 2014 22:15:53 GMT
The trouble is that for every hurdle we jump, another is put up. We keep leaping them, and others keep popping up. I can see a few possibles - legal challenge to the planning appeal (if successful), Sainsbury's derisory offer of compensation in lieu of full payment, long-winded court case of us vs them, scaled down and altered UWE plans requiring new planning approval, revised Sainsbury's proposal of smaller store and housing requiring new planning approval before funds are released, UWE announcing alternative plans for the site due to lack of progress from BRFC. This could run for years. True, but we've come too far to give up now. “It does not matter how slowly you go as long as you do not stop.” – Confucius
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