Cheshiregas
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Post by Cheshiregas on Nov 27, 2014 12:42:01 GMT
So what answers have you got up to now then? and what gives you that right ? Are you a shareholder ? I don't expect my customers of my business to tell me how to run my business, what right do you have, because at the end of the day we are only customers of a business Henbury, if they were shareholders in your business to the extent of £1million would you be prepared to give them answers to questions or would you tell their representative who is sat on your Board to tell them it is confidential and they don't have the right to know?
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Post by faggotygas on Nov 27, 2014 12:55:47 GMT
So what answers have you got up to now then? and what gives you that right ? Are you a shareholder ? I don't expect my customers of my business to tell me how to run my business, what right do you have, because at the end of the day we are only customers of a business bloody hell. If pure market forces are relied on to motivate supporters, clubs like Bristol Rovers would not exist. 90% of clubs in the UK would not exist. A football club has to be more than that, if it doesn't treat the supporters as stakeholders then it has no chance of survival. Even members of the board have described themselves as custodians of the club on behalf of current and future fans.
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Post by fanatical on Nov 27, 2014 13:07:03 GMT
and what gives you that right ? Are you a shareholder ? I don't expect my customers of my business to tell me how to run my business, what right do you have, because at the end of the day we are only customers of a business Henbury, if they were shareholders in your business to the extent of £1million would you be prepared to give them answers to questions or would you tell their representative who is sat on your Board to tell them it is confidential and they don't have the right to know? I suggest that everyone should understand what a confidentiality agreement is - it is quite likely that some members of our BOD are not able to know what the full situation is let alone shareholders. You have no right to know unless you have also signed the agreement with Sainsburys. We all have to be patient and wait for those who are dealing to reach a conclusion.
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Post by ellington on Nov 27, 2014 13:29:01 GMT
So what answers have you got up to now then? None. Doesn't stop us asking! No but you're wasting your time and effort, but where have you asked the questions, directly to Higgs? You're better off just waiting to see what happens one way or the other , as in all businesses there are confidentiality reasons for lack of public knowledge unless of course you're in the inner circle moi san
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Post by faggotygas on Nov 27, 2014 16:27:57 GMT
So what answers have you got up to now then? and what gives you that right ? Are you a shareholder ? I don't expect my customers of my business to tell me how to run my business, what right do you have, because at the end of the day we are only customers of a business A follow up question. Would it mean the same to you then if Asda (or wherever you do your shopping) ceased to exist, as if Bristol Rovers ceased to exist? Are they the same?
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Nov 27, 2014 16:41:49 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2014 16:48:00 GMT
For anyone short on time and unable to read this, there now follows a summary:
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Nov 27, 2014 17:04:01 GMT
They are only renting, it cant be that difficult to find somewhere else that they think is more suitable. That's life, it happens to us all when we have to move house because our circumstances change or when a business expands or contracts. This is emotional blackmail claptrap and its no wonder one of the councillors got a bit angry with this nonsense whilst most of the others see it for what it is and have the ability to look at what's best for the city and the region.
It does gall me though that if you want to know what's going on you get far more information from TRASH than you do from our BoD's.
are you really that thick? Trash can talk about the situation as much as they like but our BOD are bound by confidentiality agreements and cannot discuss freely anything about the process or contracts with Sainsburys. You have to be patient however much provocation there is by Trash. Hey Bozo, everything on the TRASH document was a matter of public record. For example the fact that ROVERS not Sainsburys appealed the delivery hours decision to the inspectorate. That ROVERS then submitted a new appeal to BCC but was signed by Sainsburys. That Rovers then asked the inspectorate to put that appeal on hold until Nov 26th and was later was withdrawn. That Rovers issued a Writ against Sainsburys a month before it became public and all the time our club was feeding us some horses*** about Sainsburys being their partners. The writ itself showed more of what had really being going on for months including Sainsburys telling Higgs and Watola at the beginning of the year that they intended to walk away from the deal.
So, my point is that our club has not communicated about matters that are in the public domain elsewhere and so cannot be subject to a confidentiality agreement. Once the writ had been issued and the whole sorry saga of our broken marriage with Sainsburys and who did and said what was public knowledge our club should have taken the opportunity to be honest with fans and to treat the people who keep the club alive with respect. The least they should be doing is keeping fans informed of progress even if this is restricted to matters that are in the public domain elsewhere and can be found if you look hard enough. Instead they give us a load of continual crap about working with their partners.
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Post by toteend on Nov 27, 2014 17:28:50 GMT
In which case FTB, are we in danger of receiving a cheque for approx £30m anytime soon? What! You don't know? But it's in the public domain.
Oh no it isn't. It's subject to a confidentiality agreement. Ffs.
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Post by fanatical on Nov 27, 2014 18:12:26 GMT
are you really that thick? Trash can talk about the situation as much as they like but our BOD are bound by confidentiality agreements and cannot discuss freely anything about the process or contracts with Sainsburys. You have to be patient however much provocation there is by Trash. Hey Bozo, everything on the TRASH document was a matter of public record. For example the fact that ROVERS not Sainsburys appealed the delivery hours decision to the inspectorate. That ROVERS then submitted a new appeal to BCC but was signed by Sainsburys. That Rovers then asked the inspectorate to put that appeal on hold until Nov 26th and was later was withdrawn. That Rovers issued a Writ against Sainsburys a month before it became public and all the time our club was feeding us some horses*** about Sainsburys being their partners. The writ itself showed more of what had really being going on for months including Sainsburys telling Higgs and Watola at the beginning of the year that they intended to walk away from the deal.
So, my point is that our club has not communicated about matters that are in the public domain elsewhere and so cannot be subject to a confidentiality agreement. Once the writ had been issued and the whole sorry saga of our broken marriage with Sainsburys and who did and said what was public knowledge our club should have taken the opportunity to be honest with fans and to treat the people who keep the club alive with respect. The least they should be doing is keeping fans informed of progress even if this is restricted to matters that are in the public domain elsewhere and can be found if you look hard enough. Instead they give us a load of continual crap about working with their partners.
I really don't understand why you think your knowing the above is useful? As you say - it is in the public domain - big deal! Certain members of the BOD are in negotiations with a public company and most of that negotiation will be by lawyers. I am sure the last thing on their minds is 'We must let Feeling the Blues know what is happening' - but perhaps you think your knowing will make some difference?
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Nov 27, 2014 18:30:00 GMT
Hey Bozo, everything on the TRASH document was a matter of public record. For example the fact that ROVERS not Sainsburys appealed the delivery hours decision to the inspectorate. That ROVERS then submitted a new appeal to BCC but was signed by Sainsburys. That Rovers then asked the inspectorate to put that appeal on hold until Nov 26th and was later was withdrawn. That Rovers issued a Writ against Sainsburys a month before it became public and all the time our club was feeding us some horses*** about Sainsburys being their partners. The writ itself showed more of what had really being going on for months including Sainsburys telling Higgs and Watola at the beginning of the year that they intended to walk away from the deal.
So, my point is that our club has not communicated about matters that are in the public domain elsewhere and so cannot be subject to a confidentiality agreement. Once the writ had been issued and the whole sorry saga of our broken marriage with Sainsburys and who did and said what was public knowledge our club should have taken the opportunity to be honest with fans and to treat the people who keep the club alive with respect. The least they should be doing is keeping fans informed of progress even if this is restricted to matters that are in the public domain elsewhere and can be found if you look hard enough. Instead they give us a load of continual crap about working with their partners.
I really don't understand why you think your knowing the above is useful? As you say - it is in the public domain - big deal! Certain members of the BOD are in negotiations with a public company and most of that negotiation will be by lawyers. I am sure the last thing on their minds is 'We must let Feeling the Blues know what is happening' - but perhaps you think your knowing will make some difference? It is not useful, but it would be good if the club could tell its supporters what is going on rather than them have to go scurrying around looking for stuff that is out there anyway if you are prepared to dedicate your life to finding it. TRASH do a fine job of keeping their supporters up to date of what is in the public domain but BRFC keeps its supporters completely in the dark or pretends things are ok when there are public records out there that tell us they are not (The Writ). Anyway get off your high horse because you know full well (or you should) that my point is not about informing me what is going on is it? Are you suggesting the rest of our fan base apart from me doesn't give a f and are all going around singing que sera sera?
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Nov 27, 2014 18:44:51 GMT
In which case FTB, are we in danger of receiving a cheque for approx £30m anytime soon? What! You don't know? But it's in the public domain. Oh no it isn't. It's subject to a confidentiality agreement. Ffs. I don't expect that there is much danger of receiving a cheque but I take your point about the here and now if we are at a delicate stage of negotiations. My fit of anger was about the whole lack of communication from the club we dedicate so much of our time and money to and that if you want to find anything out that's in the public domain (if you don't have the time to look for it) you have to rely on either TRASH or s**thead journalists to tell you.
I do like the recent angry diatribe from TRASH on their website though. Its not usual to get THAT angry, they must know they are beaten with no hope other than to cry like babies as loud as they can.
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 27, 2014 21:19:47 GMT
Surely Trash are only beaten when the Sainsbury's bulldozers move in? If they do you sense they have pulled off a blinder by not only getting the extended delivery hours but also it seems changes to one of the roundabouts
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Post by Cheshiregas on Nov 27, 2014 22:35:41 GMT
Henbury, if they were shareholders in your business to the extent of £1million would you be prepared to give them answers to questions or would you tell their representative who is sat on your Board to tell them it is confidential and they don't have the right to know? I suggest that everyone should understand what a confidentiality agreement is - it is quite likely that some members of our BOD are not able to know what the full situation is let alone shareholders. You have no right to know unless you have also signed the agreement with Sainsburys. We all have to be patient and wait for those who are dealing to reach a conclusion. Fanatical I am very aware about confidentiality agreements having signed numerous such documents over the years. Henbury's point was about customers in his business, my point is that a lot of Gasheads are not just customers but shareholders as well.
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Post by Curly Wurly on Nov 27, 2014 22:56:16 GMT
When my kids were young and there were presents under the Christmas tree, they used to plead with me to open them in the days before Christmas. I refused as it would not only ruin the joy on Christmas morning, but they needed to learn some patience.
I'd advise something similar now.
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Post by fanatical on Nov 28, 2014 16:01:38 GMT
I suggest that everyone should understand what a confidentiality agreement is - it is quite likely that some members of our BOD are not able to know what the full situation is let alone shareholders. You have no right to know unless you have also signed the agreement with Sainsburys. We all have to be patient and wait for those who are dealing to reach a conclusion. Fanatical I am very aware about confidentiality agreements having signed numerous such documents over the years. Henbury's point was about customers in his business, my point is that a lot of Gasheads are not just customers but shareholders as well. In that case Cheshiregas you will know that there is a difference between something being confidential and a confidential agreement. Being a shareholder cannot justify breaking a confidential agreement
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