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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 1:24:01 GMT
thanks stuart before every game hes happy to have a quick pic with fans or children,,,when he plays he gives everything to the cause,,,when we score he comes over to the fans and joins in the fun,,,he gives everything and asks nothing,,i dont know you stuart but im very impressed by you
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Post by swissgas on Aug 31, 2014 3:18:05 GMT
I haven't seen the team live for four years but from what I read and hear of Sinclair he is a Roy of the Rovers type figure and is enjoying every moment of his career.
What I will say though is that he may be lacking the fraction of ingredient X which could turn him from an enthusiastic and well liked Conference player into an enthusiastic, well liked and successful Football League player. My other sport is horse racing and the most precious term we use there is "class". We are all seeking to add a touch of class to our breeding because that's what makes the difference between an honest to goodness plodder who can win modest races and a stand out equine athlete who can win good races. I think in football that element of class is added by coaching of the highest standard and more often than not that is obtained by using coaches with experience at the top level.
In Rovers case I'll conveniently forget Bert Tann & Fred Ford and blame that on the war !
But Don Megson / Colin Dobson, Gerry Francis / Kenny Hibbitt and Paul Trollope / Lennie Lawrence all had experience at the highest level and I think they used it to add the 5 - 10% needed to turn good average willing players into better than average winning players.
That's why I believe to turn Darrell Clarke from a Conference manager into a Football League manager and to turn players like Sinclair from Conference players into Football League players we need to add a touch of class to our coaching team.
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Post by basel on Aug 31, 2014 6:27:57 GMT
Stuart has a great attitude and as Swiss say he's making the most of his career.
I can see why he has become a favourite of many Gasheads.
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Post by GasPanic! on Aug 31, 2014 6:30:28 GMT
I haven't seen the team live for four years but from what I read and hear of Sinclair he is a Roy of the Rovers type figure and is enjoying every moment of his career. What I will say though is that he may be lacking the fraction of ingredient X which could turn him from an enthusiastic and well liked Conference player into an enthusiastic, well liked and successful Football League player. My other sport is horse racing and the most precious term we use there is "class". We are all seeking to add a touch of class to our breeding because that's what makes the difference between an honest to goodness plodder who can win modest races and a stand out equine athlete who can win good races. I think in football that element of class is added by coaching of the highest standard and more often than not that is obtained by using coaches with experience at the top level. In Rovers case I'll conveniently forget Bert Tann & Fred Ford and blame that on the war ! But Don Megson / Colin Dobson, Gerry Francis / Kenny Hibbitt and Paul Trollope / Lennie Lawrence all had experience at the highest level and I think they used it to add the 5 - 10% needed to turn good average willing players into better than average winning players. That's why I believe to turn Darrell Clarke from a Conference manager into a Football League manager and to turn players like Sinclair from Conference players into Football League players we need to add a touch of class to our coaching team. Steve Yates and Marcus Stewart weren't too bad in their day! |
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Post by gas2 on Aug 31, 2014 6:35:06 GMT
thanks stuart before every game hes happy to have a quick pic with fans or children,,,when he plays he gives everything to the cause,,,when we score he comes over to the fans and joins in the fun,,,he gives everything and asks nothing,,i dont know you stuart but im very impressed by you what do others think? yes up there with the best ever to wear the quarters and hes only been here a few months |
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Post by Bath Gas on Aug 31, 2014 6:53:01 GMT
I'm very impressed by him, his attitude is first class. I hope that the merchandising team will be organising some "Fear the Beard" t-shirts.
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Post by harrybuckle on Aug 31, 2014 7:55:12 GMT
Yes a great example of determination is Sinclair ..not the most skilful but uses effort to affect the game
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Post by Igitur on Aug 31, 2014 8:06:05 GMT
After his sending off DC put him on the naughty chair and he should start; when he came on with Ellis they changed the game around. I hope they do not get used as 'impact players.'
Obviously Sinclair is a fans' favourite and Ellis is also getting the support from the crowd he needs.
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Post by bstokegas on Aug 31, 2014 8:44:53 GMT
After his sending off DC put him on the naughty chair and he should start; when he came on with Ellis they changed the game around. I hope they do not get used as 'impact players.' Obviously Sinclair is a fans' favourite and Ellis is also getting the support from the crowd he needs. I too think he's fantastic and would usually say he needs to start but it's the old cliché, don't change a winning team. I don't think he'll be used as an impact player, he'll get himself back into the starting Xl soon enough though. |
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Post by michaelb on Aug 31, 2014 8:51:17 GMT
I must admit I could not understand the "love-in" with sinclaor, but coming on at FGR and yesterday ,I am starting to see he could be the diamond in the crown at this level, fantastic attitude, and it can only rub off positively on the others.
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Post by conclubgas on Aug 31, 2014 8:53:55 GMT
Came on yesterday and changed the game,two through balls in the last ten minutes that opened the Halifax defense wide open,he's seems to be 100% and more........we'll done Stuart Sinclair  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 9:01:47 GMT
His celebration for Ellis' goal was superb, going absolutely nuts as some bloke shouted beard repeatedly at him.
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Post by brizzle on Aug 31, 2014 17:37:05 GMT
I haven't seen the team live for four years but from what I read and hear of Sinclair he is a Roy of the Rovers type figure and is enjoying every moment of his career. What I will say though is that he may be lacking the fraction of ingredient X which could turn him from an enthusiastic and well liked Conference player into an enthusiastic, well liked and successful Football League player. My other sport is horse racing and the most precious term we use there is "class". We are all seeking to add a touch of class to our breeding because that's what makes the difference between an honest to goodness plodder who can win modest races and a stand out equine athlete who can win good races. I think in football that element of class is added by coaching of the highest standard and more often than not that is obtained by using coaches with experience at the top level. In Rovers case I'll conveniently forget Bert Tann & Fred Ford and blame that on the war !But Don Megson / Colin Dobson, Gerry Francis / Kenny Hibbitt and Paul Trollope / Lennie Lawrence all had experience at the highest level and I think they used it to add the 5 - 10% needed to turn good average willing players into better than average winning players. That's why I believe to turn Darrell Clarke from a Conference manager into a Football League manager and to turn players like Sinclair from Conference players into Football League players we need to add a touch of class to our coaching team. If I'm reading your post correctly swiss, you don't seem to rate the contribution that Bert Tann, Fred Ford and Bill Dodgin Snr made to the BRFC cause in the 1950s through to the early 1970s, compared to their successors. Is that correct? If that is so, then I would respectfully have to disagree with you. You make no mention of Bobby Campbell, Terry Cooper and Bobby Gould and the sterling work that they did for the club, and I do believe that they all turned good players into better players. But you mention Colin Dobson (are you sure that you didn't mean Martin Dobson?) and Don Megson aka ''The Tank.'' I seem to remember that great things were expected of Megson, but it all seemed to amount to very little . . . all things considered. It all fell rapidly apart when he sent his son Gary, to be an apprentice at Plymouth Argyle and was therefore not attached to Rovers. That sealed his fate. But we should have been forewarned when on joining the club as manager-in-waiting, he announced that Rovers fans should in the future expect to win 1-0 instead of winning 5-4. I think that the trick that Rovers missed in that era was failing to appoint Alan Ball as manager. He did have that ''5 - 10% needed to turn good average willing players into better than average winning players.'' but was overlooked for whatever reason. Unlike his contemporary Mick Channon, Ball seemed hungry and would surely have been worth a punt. I still remain unconvinced by the Paul Trollope/Lennie Lawrence combination, in my opinion Trollope was (and is) a coach, despite his success. But I would obviously have to agree unreservedly with you regarding the Gerry Francis/Kenny Hibbitt partnership. By the way, whatever happened to Kenny Hibbitt? I recall that he applied for the managers job when Francis left, but then he seemed to fall off of the radar. Surely a man of his pedigree, that had been No 2 to Francis and well-versed with the club and its peculiarities, would have been a good appointment considering his achievements? But all of that is in the past, and we must look to the future, eh? I have read your views on DC, and would agree. The fact is that he has one shot and one shot only at promotion, as was confirmed by NH in the close season. When he was asked whether DC would be appointed manager, he replied that he had 12 months left on his contract. Hardly a ringing endorsement, was it? But when you say that ''we need to add a touch of class to our coaching team,'' are you thinking about appointing a coach to the team now full stop, or replacing DC? I think that from a budget point of view (from what we are told) it might be difficult to add a coach, or even to replace DC. Plus what would that say about the rest of the coaching staff, hardly a ringing endorsement is it? With the best will in the world, I think that we are all on a rollercoaster that will end next May |
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Post by swissgas on Aug 31, 2014 18:26:22 GMT
I haven't seen the team live for four years but from what I read and hear of Sinclair he is a Roy of the Rovers type figure and is enjoying every moment of his career. What I will say though is that he may be lacking the fraction of ingredient X which could turn him from an enthusiastic and well liked Conference player into an enthusiastic, well liked and successful Football League player. My other sport is horse racing and the most precious term we use there is "class". We are all seeking to add a touch of class to our breeding because that's what makes the difference between an honest to goodness plodder who can win modest races and a stand out equine athlete who can win good races. I think in football that element of class is added by coaching of the highest standard and more often than not that is obtained by using coaches with experience at the top level. In Rovers case I'll conveniently forget Bert Tann & Fred Ford and blame that on the war !But Don Megson / Colin Dobson, Gerry Francis / Kenny Hibbitt and Paul Trollope / Lennie Lawrence all had experience at the highest level and I think they used it to add the 5 - 10% needed to turn good average willing players into better than average winning players. That's why I believe to turn Darrell Clarke from a Conference manager into a Football League manager and to turn players like Sinclair from Conference players into Football League players we need to add a touch of class to our coaching team. If I'm reading your post correctly swiss, you don't seem to rate the contribution that Bert Tann, Fred Ford and Bill Dodgin Snr made to the BRFC cause in the 1950s through to the early 1970s, compared to their successors. Is that correct? If that is so, then I would respectfully have to disagree with you. You make no mention of Bobby Campbell, Terry Cooper and Bobby Gould and the sterling work that they did for the club, and I do believe that they all turned good players into better players. But you mention Colin Dobson (are you sure that you didn't mean Martin Dobson?) and Don Megson aka ''The Tank.'' I seem to remember that great things were expected of Megson, but it all seemed to amount to very little . . . all things considered. It all fell rapidly apart when he sent his son Gary, to be an apprentice at Plymouth Argyle and was therefore not attached to Rovers. That sealed his fate. But we should have been forewarned when on joining the club as manager-in-waiting, he announced that Rovers fans should in the future expect to win 1-0 instead of winning 5-4. I think that the trick that Rovers missed in that era was failing to appoint Alan Ball as manager. He did have that ''5 - 10% needed to turn good average willing players into better than average winning players.'' but was overlooked for whatever reason. Unlike his contemporary Mick Channon, Ball seemed hungry and would surely have been worth a punt. I still remain unconvinced by the Paul Trollope/Lennie Lawrence combination, in my opinion Trollope was (and is) a coach, despite his success. But I would obviously have to agree unreservedly with you regarding the Gerry Francis/Kenny Hibbitt partnership. By the way, whatever happened to Kenny Hibbitt? I recall that he applied for the managers job when Francis left, but then he seemed to fall off of the radar. Surely a man of his pedigree, that had been No 2 to Francis and well-versed with the club and its peculiarities, would have been a good appointment considering his achievements? But all of that is in the past, and we must look to the future, eh? I have read your views on DC, and would agree. The fact is that he has one shot and one shot only at promotion, as was confirmed by NH in the close season. When he was asked whether DC would be appointed manager, he replied that he had 12 months left on his contract. Hardly a ringing endorsement, was it? But when you say that ''we need to add a touch of class to our coaching team,'' are you thinking about appointing a coach to the team now full stop, or replacing DC? I think that from a budget point of view (from what we are told) it might be difficult to add a coach, or even to replace DC. Plus what would that say about the rest of the coaching staff, hardly a ringing endorsement is it? With the best will in the world, I think that we are all on a rollercoaster that will end next May What I was trying to do was identify the times when we have had tangible success ie promotions and try to find a common theme. Bert Tann and Fred Ford don't fit the picture because they never played or managed at the highest level before coming to Rovers but they did achieve promotion. So I blamed the war for them not getting to the top before.  GasPanic made the point about Marcus Stewart and Steve Yates and it's hard to refute that without upsetting people. Doubtless they were good players for Rovers and doubtless each had a top level spell but personally, on the knowledge available, I don't think they are qualified to impart that "class" and gain the extra 5 - 10% which makes the difference to the players they are coaching but I hope I'm wrong. I did mean Colin Dobson and I do think he was under rated both as a player and as an influence on the 73/74 team. These are gut reactions based on my experience since those days ( I was a teenager at the time) but to turn average players into winners you need to add something to their game both physically, tactically and mentally and I think Megson and Dobson were able to do it albeit for a relatively short time. In particular I'm thinking of Lindsay Parsons, Frankie Prince and Stuart Taylor who were not standout players previously but who became key parts of a standout team. The same would apply to players like Purnell, Alexander and Mehew in the Francis/Hibbitt team and Anthony, Disley and Haldane in the Trollope/Lawrence team. It's that old bugbear of mine about squeezing the most out of our assets which I think is the best policy for Rovers to follow and I do feel we have a responsibility to do the best we can for players like Sinclair who deserve to be given the chance to reach their full potential and make the most of their career. There seem to be similarities between Darrell Clarke and Paul Trollope and I hope we don't fall into the same trap we did with Paul Trollope. The word at the time was that Trollope was stubborn, he wouldn't listen and he did not want anyone to replace Lennie Lawrence. If that is true then what was the solution ? Well IMO the solution was to persuade him to accept help and I'm fairly certain little effort was made to do that because the club doesn't seem to recognize the value of persuasion. It seems to be all or nothing, it works or it doesn't and if it doesn't then it's "next please". I don't agree with that approach and think more effort should be made to persuade managers to look at different options and sell them on concepts which they may feel threatened by initially but which, after consideration, they can see are in theirs and the clubs best interests. So I would suggest persuading Darrell Clarke that as it stands we have a squad of reasonable Conference players of which some key members are not long term options. Therefore we need to develop some of the players we have to be better players capable of playing at league level plus we have to recruit league standard players to come in now and be with us for the medium to long term. To do that we need extra skills, knowledge and contacts which he currently does not have. But because we want him to be part of the club for the long term we need him to embrace the changes we have to make and be conscious that we are aiming not just to make Rovers a league 1 / championship club again but to make Darrell a league 1 / championship manager in the future. |
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Post by alwaysgas on Aug 31, 2014 18:41:28 GMT
If I'm reading your post correctly swiss, you don't seem to rate the contribution that Bert Tann, Fred Ford and Bill Dodgin Snr made to the BRFC cause in the 1950s through to the early 1970s, compared to their successors. Is that correct? If that is so, then I would respectfully have to disagree with you. You make no mention of Bobby Campbell, Terry Cooper and Bobby Gould and the sterling work that they did for the club, and I do believe that they all turned good players into better players. But you mention Colin Dobson (are you sure that you didn't mean Martin Dobson?) and Don Megson aka ''The Tank.'' I seem to remember that great things were expected of Megson, but it all seemed to amount to very little . . . all things considered. It all fell rapidly apart when he sent his son Gary, to be an apprentice at Plymouth Argyle and was therefore not attached to Rovers. That sealed his fate. But we should have been forewarned when on joining the club as manager-in-waiting, he announced that Rovers fans should in the future expect to win 1-0 instead of winning 5-4. I think that the trick that Rovers missed in that era was failing to appoint Alan Ball as manager. He did have that ''5 - 10% needed to turn good average willing players into better than average winning players.'' but was overlooked for whatever reason. Unlike his contemporary Mick Channon, Ball seemed hungry and would surely have been worth a punt. I still remain unconvinced by the Paul Trollope/Lennie Lawrence combination, in my opinion Trollope was (and is) a coach, despite his success. But I would obviously have to agree unreservedly with you regarding the Gerry Francis/Kenny Hibbitt partnership. By the way, whatever happened to Kenny Hibbitt? I recall that he applied for the managers job when Francis left, but then he seemed to fall off of the radar. Surely a man of his pedigree, that had been No 2 to Francis and well-versed with the club and its peculiarities, would have been a good appointment considering his achievements? But all of that is in the past, and we must look to the future, eh? I have read your views on DC, and would agree. The fact is that he has one shot and one shot only at promotion, as was confirmed by NH in the close season. When he was asked whether DC would be appointed manager, he replied that he had 12 months left on his contract. Hardly a ringing endorsement, was it? But when you say that ''we need to add a touch of class to our coaching team,'' are you thinking about appointing a coach to the team now full stop, or replacing DC? I think that from a budget point of view (from what we are told) it might be difficult to add a coach, or even to replace DC. Plus what would that say about the rest of the coaching staff, hardly a ringing endorsement is it? With the best will in the world, I think that we are all on a rollercoaster that will end next May What I was trying to do was identify the times when we have had tangible success ie promotions and try to find a common theme. Bert Tann and Fred Ford don't fit the picture because they never played or managed at the highest level before coming to Rovers but they did achieve promotion. So I blamed the war for them not getting to the top before. GasPanic made the point about Marcus Stewart and Steve Yates and it's hard to refute that without upsetting people. Doubtless they were good players for Rovers and doubtless each had a top level spell but personally, on the knowledge available, I don't think they are qualified to impart that "class" and gain the extra 5 - 10% which makes the difference to the players they are coaching but I hope I'm wrong. I did mean Colin Dobson and I do think he was under rated both as a player and as an influence on the 73/74 team. These are gut reactions based on my experience since those days ( I was a teenager at the time) but to turn average players into winners you need to add something to their game both physically, tactically and mentally and I think Megson and Dobson were able to do it albeit for a relatively short time. In particular I'm thinking of Lindsay Parsons, Frankie Prince and Stuart Taylor who were not standout players previously but who became key parts of a standout team. The same would apply to players like Purnell, Alexander and Mehew in the Francis/Hibbitt team and Anthony, Disley and Haldane in the Trollope/Lawrence team. It's that old bugbear of mine about squeezing the most out of our assets which I think is the best policy for Rovers to follow and I do feel we have a responsibility to do the best we can for players like Sinclair who deserve to be given the chance to reach their full potential and make the most of their career. There seem to be similarities between Darrell Clarke and Paul Trollope and I hope we don't fall into the same trap we did with Paul Trollope. The word at the time was that Trollope was stubborn, he wouldn't listen and he did not want anyone to replace Lennie Lawrence. If that is true then what was the solution ? Well IMO the solution was to persuade him to accept help and I'm fairly certain little effort was made to do that because the club doesn't seem to recognize the value of persuasion. It seems to be all or nothing, it works or it doesn't and if it doesn't then it's "next please". I don't agree with that approach and think more effort should be made to persuade managers to look at different options and sell them on concepts which they may feel threatened by initially but which, after consideration, they can see are in theirs and the clubs best interests. So I would suggest persuading Darrell Clarke that as it stands we have a squad of reasonable Conference players of which some key members are not long term options. Therefore we need to develop some of the players we have to be better players capable of playing at league level plus we have to recruit league standard players to come in now and be with us for the medium to long term. To do that we need extra skills, knowledge and contacts which he currently does not have. But because we want him to be part of the club for the long term we need him to embrace the changes we have to make and be conscious that we are aiming not just to make Rovers a league 1 / championship club again but to make Darrell a league 1 / championship manager in the future. You really should do some research before some of your postings Swiss. This is from Fred's wiki page; ""Ford played for a number of clubs, including Arsenal, Charlton Athletic, Millwall Athletic and Carlisle United. It was at Carlisle that he began his coaching career. He also became a part-time Staff Coach with the Football Association, where besides being a course instructor, he additionally coached the England B team and Under-23 side." I think that stands comparison with a number of the others you mentioned. One of Fred's sons is a friend of mine and I remember him telling me how Fred walked home after scoring two own goals in a derby game on boxing day. I am not sure how you come to an opinion on Sinclair without watching him and the last thing we need at the moment in this league is a "class act" advising DC, who will do a good job coping with a new side and the noise coming from off field developmenmts. |
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Post by stevek192 on Aug 31, 2014 18:45:41 GMT
Swissgas,
To do what you suggest you have to have both Money and have the League players available and who want to move to a Conference club. This season we need to go with what we have plus hopefully Turley and at least one winger/midfielder tomorrow. If we turn out to be good enough to win the Conference then I would suggest that next season most of the players we have WILL be good enough to compete in League 2 because to do that they would have proved to have improved to a good standard and most are at the age where they could give League Football a good shot.
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Post by swissgas on Aug 31, 2014 19:14:19 GMT
What I was trying to do was identify the times when we have had tangible success ie promotions and try to find a common theme. Bert Tann and Fred Ford don't fit the picture because they never played or managed at the highest level before coming to Rovers but they did achieve promotion. So I blamed the war for them not getting to the top before. GasPanic made the point about Marcus Stewart and Steve Yates and it's hard to refute that without upsetting people. Doubtless they were good players for Rovers and doubtless each had a top level spell but personally, on the knowledge available, I don't think they are qualified to impart that "class" and gain the extra 5 - 10% which makes the difference to the players they are coaching but I hope I'm wrong. I did mean Colin Dobson and I do think he was under rated both as a player and as an influence on the 73/74 team. These are gut reactions based on my experience since those days ( I was a teenager at the time) but to turn average players into winners you need to add something to their game both physically, tactically and mentally and I think Megson and Dobson were able to do it albeit for a relatively short time. In particular I'm thinking of Lindsay Parsons, Frankie Prince and Stuart Taylor who were not standout players previously but who became key parts of a standout team. The same would apply to players like Purnell, Alexander and Mehew in the Francis/Hibbitt team and Anthony, Disley and Haldane in the Trollope/Lawrence team. It's that old bugbear of mine about squeezing the most out of our assets which I think is the best policy for Rovers to follow and I do feel we have a responsibility to do the best we can for players like Sinclair who deserve to be given the chance to reach their full potential and make the most of their career. There seem to be similarities between Darrell Clarke and Paul Trollope and I hope we don't fall into the same trap we did with Paul Trollope. The word at the time was that Trollope was stubborn, he wouldn't listen and he did not want anyone to replace Lennie Lawrence. If that is true then what was the solution ? Well IMO the solution was to persuade him to accept help and I'm fairly certain little effort was made to do that because the club doesn't seem to recognize the value of persuasion. It seems to be all or nothing, it works or it doesn't and if it doesn't then it's "next please". I don't agree with that approach and think more effort should be made to persuade managers to look at different options and sell them on concepts which they may feel threatened by initially but which, after consideration, they can see are in theirs and the clubs best interests. So I would suggest persuading Darrell Clarke that as it stands we have a squad of reasonable Conference players of which some key members are not long term options. Therefore we need to develop some of the players we have to be better players capable of playing at league level plus we have to recruit league standard players to come in now and be with us for the medium to long term. To do that we need extra skills, knowledge and contacts which he currently does not have. But because we want him to be part of the club for the long term we need him to embrace the changes we have to make and be conscious that we are aiming not just to make Rovers a league 1 / championship club again but to make Darrell a league 1 / championship manager in the future. You really should do some research before some of your postings Swiss. This is from Fred's wiki page; ""Ford played for a number of clubs, including Arsenal, Charlton Athletic, Millwall Athletic and Carlisle United. It was at Carlisle that he began his coaching career. He also became a part-time Staff Coach with the Football Association, where besides being a course instructor, he additionally coached the England B team and Under-23 side." I think that stands comparison with a number of the others you mentioned. One of Fred's sons is a friend of mine and I remember him telling me how Fred walked home after scoring two own goals in a derby game on boxing day. I am not sure how you come to an opinion on Sinclair without watching him and the last thing we need at the moment in this league is a "class act" advising DC, who will do a good job coping with a new side and the noise coming from off field developmenmts. I did look at the wiki page always and I don't think Fred played for the Arsenal first team. Like a lot of good players at that time he may have played at the highest level had the war not interrupted his career. I've no doubt Fred was a very good coach and does not get enough credit for Rovers success in the fifties. The opinion I have formed is based on the evidence I have read and heard and on balance I believe Sinclair is a reasonable player at this level with an excellent attitude but he needs to improve to become a good Conference Premier player and eventually reach league level. The trouble with slavishly following the Rovers "official line" is that when that line changes, or turns somersaults as it often does, you have to perform acrobatics to keep up with it. I agreed with Nick a few years ago when he said it made sense to try to build a team which could achieve promotion but would also, in the main, be capable of playing at the next level and I still believe that. The official policy now is that to win the Conference you have to have a team of Conference standard players and I may be wrong but I don't believe that is entirely true. To me a healthy club is one which is buoyant and looking upwards and that means having a plan which clearly shows the way forward and includes improving the players you have and gradually bringing in better players to complement them. The management and coaching set up we have now is adequate if we are to keep blundering along hoping for the best but IMO (and I hope I am wrong) it is not properly equipped to recruit better players or improve existing players. Do you see any similarity between Paul Trollope and Darrell Clarke ? |
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Post by swissgas on Aug 31, 2014 19:35:01 GMT
Swissgas, To do what you suggest you have to have both Money and have the League players available and who want to move to a Conference club. This season we need to go with what we have plus hopefully Turley and at least one winger/midfielder tomorrow. If we turn out to be good enough to win the Conference then I would suggest that next season most of the players we have WILL be good enough to compete in League 2 because to do that they would have proved to have improved to a good standard and most are at the age where they could give League Football a good shot. Steve I think the off field happenings have affected the football side because Nick's words in the aftermath of relegation have been turned on their head and we are now told we are a poor club with severe limitations on who we can sign. When I posted a few months ago about Nick making a statement of intent and that we would see some exciting signings I wasn't joking I really thought that with no FFP rules and Rovers high revenue from gate receipts Nick meant to give it his best shot. But it hasn't turned out that way. When Sinclair agreed to join Rovers he must have been over the moon and I bet when Darrell Clarke came in as assistant manager he felt the same. But again I'd bet so far it hasn't turned out as they had thought or hoped. If we are to do them justice as well as ourselves justice I think a bit more thought needs to be put into recruiting and coaching and I think we need help to do that. It does need some money but with a little imagination I think we could develop success rather than just wait to see how things turn out. |
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Post by alwaysgas on Aug 31, 2014 20:22:39 GMT
You really should do some research before some of your postings Swiss. This is from Fred's wiki page; ""Ford played for a number of clubs, including Arsenal, Charlton Athletic, Millwall Athletic and Carlisle United. It was at Carlisle that he began his coaching career. He also became a part-time Staff Coach with the Football Association, where besides being a course instructor, he additionally coached the England B team and Under-23 side." I think that stands comparison with a number of the others you mentioned. One of Fred's sons is a friend of mine and I remember him telling me how Fred walked home after scoring two own goals in a derby game on boxing day. I am not sure how you come to an opinion on Sinclair without watching him and the last thing we need at the moment in this league is a "class act" advising DC, who will do a good job coping with a new side and the noise coming from off field developmenmts. I did look at the wiki page always and I don't think Fred played for the Arsenal first team. Like a lot of good players at that time he may have played at the highest level had the war not interrupted his career. I've no doubt Fred was a very good coach and does not get enough credit for Rovers success in the fifties. The opinion I have formed is based on the evidence I have read and heard and on balance I believe Sinclair is a reasonable player at this level with an excellent attitude but he needs to improve to become a good Conference Premier player and eventually reach league level. The trouble with slavishly following the Rovers "official line" is that when that line changes, or turns somersaults as it often does, you have to perform acrobatics to keep up with it. I agreed with Nick a few years ago when he said it made sense to try to build a team which could achieve promotion but would also, in the main, be capable of playing at the next level and I still believe that. The official policy now is that to win the Conference you have to have a team of Conference standard players and I may be wrong but I don't believe that is entirely true. To me a healthy club is one which is buoyant and looking upwards and that means having a plan which clearly shows the way forward and includes improving the players you have and gradually bringing in better players to complement them. The management and coaching set up we have now is adequate if we are to keep blundering along hoping for the best but IMO (and I hope I am wrong) it is not properly equipped to recruit better players or improve existing players. Do you see any similarity between Paul Trollope and Darrell Clarke ? I am not sure about Arsenal Swiss but Charlton were in the top division when he played for them. I don't see any similarities betweem them to be honest. Trollope was a defensively minded manager with no plan b and that was why Norwich fans were glad to see the back of him along with Houghton. DC wants his team to play attacking football and has at least plan B and plan C, although some fans believe he shouldn't. Everyone that knows him talks about his infectious enthusiasm and motivation skills as opposed to JW who didn't believe it was his job to motivate the team. He is trying to get the team to play football and some of the passing out of defence in the first half yesterday was a joy to watch. I am certain he will never repeat Trollope's comment that "his team played better without the ball." I believe DC will have a good career and I hope it really starts with us so it would be good if eveyone got behind him, as we did yesterday with the team. At half time yesterday there were alot of smiling faces on people by me who are far from rose tinters and the fact that we didn't crumple in the second half but kept going to win brought the smiles back at the end. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 22:30:29 GMT
I haven't seen the team live for four years but from what I read and hear of Sinclair he is a Roy of the Rovers type figure and is enjoying every moment of his career. What I will say though is that he may be lacking the fraction of ingredient X which could turn him from an enthusiastic and well liked Conference player into an enthusiastic, well liked and successful Football League player. My other sport is horse racing and the most precious term we use there is "class". We are all seeking to add a touch of class to our breeding because that's what makes the difference between an honest to goodness plodder who can win modest races and a stand out equine athlete who can win good races. I think in football that element of class is added by coaching of the highest standard and more often than not that is obtained by using coaches with experience at the top level. In Rovers case I'll conveniently forget Bert Tann & Fred Ford and blame that on the war ! But Don Megson / Colin Dobson, Gerry Francis / Kenny Hibbitt and Paul Trollope / Lennie Lawrence all had experience at the highest level and I think they used it to add the 5 - 10% needed to turn good average willing players into better than average winning players. That's why I believe to turn Darrell Clarke from a Conference manager into a Football League manager and to turn players like Sinclair from Conference players into Football League players we need to add a touch of class to our coaching team. you make some good points here but there are also top coaches/managers who havnt played at even league level including i believe roy hodgson,at this moment in time i think the club should leave to management team alone buts thats just my opinion. one more thing about sinclair is that though his energy is very eye catching his technical abilty and vision are pretty good too,,,of course its early days but hes not just about work rate |
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