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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 22:46:45 GMT
bloody well hope he dosnt shave his beard off!!! we should put that in his next contract keep the beard
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Post by gasheadnaboo on Aug 31, 2014 22:56:32 GMT
After his sending off DC put him on the naughty chair and he should start; when he came on with Ellis they changed the game around. I hope they do not get used as 'impact players.' Obviously Sinclair is a fans' favourite and Ellis is also getting the support from the crowd he needs. I too think he's fantastic and would usually say he needs to start but it's the old cliché, don't change a winning team. I don't think he'll be used as an impact player, he'll get himself back into the starting Xl soon enough though. Couldn't agree more, if it ain't broke don't fix it.
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Post by Somerset Blue on Sept 1, 2014 10:00:34 GMT
Exactly what the team and the fans needed... hope he keeps up the great work!
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Post by liambrownscfc on Sept 1, 2014 12:00:13 GMT
I knew he would become a fan favourite there at Rovers. Obviously I'm happy to see all the ex Salisbury players do well at their new clubs.
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Post by brizzle on Sept 1, 2014 12:12:30 GMT
If I'm reading your post correctly swiss, you don't seem to rate the contribution that Bert Tann, Fred Ford and Bill Dodgin Snr made to the BRFC cause in the 1950s through to the early 1970s, compared to their successors. Is that correct? If that is so, then I would respectfully have to disagree with you. You make no mention of Bobby Campbell, Terry Cooper and Bobby Gould and the sterling work that they did for the club, and I do believe that they all turned good players into better players. But you mention Colin Dobson (are you sure that you didn't mean Martin Dobson?) and Don Megson aka ''The Tank.'' I seem to remember that great things were expected of Megson, but it all seemed to amount to very little . . . all things considered. It all fell rapidly apart when he sent his son Gary, to be an apprentice at Plymouth Argyle and was therefore not attached to Rovers. That sealed his fate. But we should have been forewarned when on joining the club as manager-in-waiting, he announced that Rovers fans should in the future expect to win 1-0 instead of winning 5-4. I think that the trick that Rovers missed in that era was failing to appoint Alan Ball as manager. He did have that ''5 - 10% needed to turn good average willing players into better than average winning players.'' but was overlooked for whatever reason. Unlike his contemporary Mick Channon, Ball seemed hungry and would surely have been worth a punt. I still remain unconvinced by the Paul Trollope/Lennie Lawrence combination, in my opinion Trollope was (and is) a coach, despite his success. But I would obviously have to agree unreservedly with you regarding the Gerry Francis/Kenny Hibbitt partnership. By the way, whatever happened to Kenny Hibbitt? I recall that he applied for the managers job when Francis left, but then he seemed to fall off of the radar. Surely a man of his pedigree, that had been No 2 to Francis and well-versed with the club and its peculiarities, would have been a good appointment considering his achievements? But all of that is in the past, and we must look to the future, eh? I have read your views on DC, and would agree. The fact is that he has one shot and one shot only at promotion, as was confirmed by NH in the close season. When he was asked whether DC would be appointed manager, he replied that he had 12 months left on his contract. Hardly a ringing endorsement, was it? But when you say that ''we need to add a touch of class to our coaching team,'' are you thinking about appointing a coach to the team now full stop, or replacing DC? I think that from a budget point of view (from what we are told) it might be difficult to add a coach, or even to replace DC. Plus what would that say about the rest of the coaching staff, hardly a ringing endorsement is it? With the best will in the world, I think that we are all on a rollercoaster that will end next May What I was trying to do was identify the times when we have had tangible success ie promotions and try to find a common theme. Bert Tann and Fred Ford don't fit the picture because they never played or managed at the highest level before coming to Rovers but they did achieve promotion. So I blamed the war for them not getting to the top before. GasPanic made the point about Marcus Stewart and Steve Yates and it's hard to refute that without upsetting people. Doubtless they were good players for Rovers and doubtless each had a top level spell but personally, on the knowledge available, I don't think they are qualified to impart that "class" and gain the extra 5 - 10% which makes the difference to the players they are coaching but I hope I'm wrong. I did mean Colin Dobson and I do think he was under rated both as a player and as an influence on the 73/74 team. These are gut reactions based on my experience since those days ( I was a teenager at the time) but to turn average players into winners you need to add something to their game both physically, tactically and mentally and I think Megson and Dobson were able to do it albeit for a relatively short time. In particular I'm thinking of Lindsay Parsons, Frankie Prince and Stuart Taylor who were not standout players previously but who became key parts of a standout team. The same would apply to players like Purnell, Alexander and Mehew in the Francis/Hibbitt team and Anthony, Disley and Haldane in the Trollope/Lawrence team. It's that old bugbear of mine about squeezing the most out of our assets which I think is the best policy for Rovers to follow and I do feel we have a responsibility to do the best we can for players like Sinclair who deserve to be given the chance to reach their full potential and make the most of their career. There seem to be similarities between Darrell Clarke and Paul Trollope and I hope we don't fall into the same trap we did with Paul Trollope. The word at the time was that Trollope was stubborn, he wouldn't listen and he did not want anyone to replace Lennie Lawrence. If that is true then what was the solution ? Well IMO the solution was to persuade him to accept help and I'm fairly certain little effort was made to do that because the club doesn't seem to recognize the value of persuasion. It seems to be all or nothing, it works or it doesn't and if it doesn't then it's "next please". I don't agree with that approach and think more effort should be made to persuade managers to look at different options and sell them on concepts which they may feel threatened by initially but which, after consideration, they can see are in theirs and the clubs best interests. So I would suggest persuading Darrell Clarke that as it stands we have a squad of reasonable Conference players of which some key members are not long term options. Therefore we need to develop some of the players we have to be better players capable of playing at league level plus we have to recruit league standard players to come in now and be with us for the medium to long term. To do that we need extra skills, knowledge and contacts which he currently does not have. But because we want him to be part of the club for the long term we need him to embrace the changes we have to make and be conscious that we are aiming not just to make Rovers a league 1 / championship club again but to make Darrell a league 1 / championship manager in the future. You really should do some research before some of your postings Swiss. This is from Fred's wiki page; ""Ford played for a number of clubs, including Arsenal, Charlton Athletic, Millwall Athletic and Carlisle United. It was at Carlisle that he began his coaching career. He also became a part-time Staff Coach with the Football Association, where besides being a course instructor, he additionally coached the England B team and Under-23 side." I think that stands comparison with a number of the others you mentioned. One of Fred's sons is a friend of mine and I remember him telling me how Fred walked home after scoring two own goals in a derby game on boxing day. I am not sure how you come to an opinion on Sinclair without watching him and the last thing we need at the moment in this league is a "class act" advising DC, who will do a good job coping with a new side and the noise coming from off field developmenmts. I did look at the wiki page always and I don't think Fred played for the Arsenal first team. Like a lot of good players at that time he may have played at the highest level had the war not interrupted his career. I've no doubt Fred was a very good coach and does not get enough credit for Rovers success in the fifties.The opinion I have formed is based on the evidence I have read and heard and on balance I believe Sinclair is a reasonable player at this level with an excellent attitude but he needs to improve to become a good Conference Premier player and eventually reach league level. The trouble with slavishly following the Rovers "official line" is that when that line changes, or turns somersaults as it often does, you have to perform acrobatics to keep up with it. I agreed with Nick a few years ago when he said it made sense to try to build a team which could achieve promotion but would also, in the main, be capable of playing at the next level and I still believe that. The official policy now is that to win the Conference you have to have a team of Conference standard players and I may be wrong but I don't believe that is entirely true. To me a healthy club is one which is buoyant and looking upwards and that means having a plan which clearly shows the way forward and includes improving the players you have and gradually bringing in better players to complement them. The management and coaching set up we have now is adequate if we are to keep blundering along hoping for the best but IMO (and I hope I am wrong) it is not properly equipped to recruit better players or improve existing players. Do you see any similarity between Paul Trollope and Darrell Clarke ? My apologies for returning to my earlier post swiss, but Fred Ford did not manage Rovers in the 1950s. He was actually at the club between 1968-1969, which is clearly well after the end of WWII. Similarly Bert Tann who managed us between 1950–1968, had a great influence for good on the club, and produced a whole host of better-than-average players for us. If you put to one side the likes of Geoff Bradford, Alfie Biggs etc, and study one of his team sheets I'm quite certain that you would be impressed by the quality of the squad, and all produced (in part) during the infamous No Buy No Sale era. Just a thought, but as I remember Bert worked alone and didn't have an assistant, just as most managers at the time seemed to do. I'm not attempting to miss your point though, but it would be quite wrong in my opinion to think that any success that BRFC has achieved has been in later years. And as I posted previously, don't forget the efforts of Terry Cooper (who was responsible for bringing on Gary Mabbutt), and Bobby Gould who turned the proverbial water into wine for us. Without Bobby's efforts both on and off the pitch, I'm quite certain that we would have gone under. And what about his experience, both as a player and manager? Invaluable, and we were fortunate to keep him as long as we did. As I posted previously, Paul Trollope was always a coach, and not a manager in my opinion. He had the guiding hand of Lennie Lawrence with him initially, but when the partnership was broken and Lawrence's input removed that marked the end of progress on the playing side. It's true that he did continue with some success, but he could never seem to build when on his own. He always appeared reluctant to back his own judgement. Regarding Darrell Clarke I think that it's far too early to judge him, or even assess his efforts to date. He is still assembling a squad that is to his liking, given the restrictions of the budget, and getting them to play in the way that he wants them to. He clearly speaks his mind to the media, which although refreshing to hear is also a bit of a worry considering the morale of individual players and the squad as a whole. It's perhaps a sign of his coming maturity that he is showing signs of being more measured in his interviews. But overall I would say that he's giving it a good shot, and I wish him all of the best for the future, not only for himself and his staff, but also for the team. It should be an interesting season. And when you ask . . . . . . personally speaking, very few.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2014 12:23:05 GMT
Do you see any similarity between Paul Trollope and Darrell Clarke ? None whatsoever, one is a student of the game, the other is a complete chancer who probably can't believe that he wasn't sacked for his (not inconsiderable) part in getting us relegated. Maybe Clarke will sort himself out, I hope he does, but retaining him is either a huge gamble or just the cheap option. Only a couple of months ago, even the Chairman sounded far from convinced that he was the right man for the job.
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Post by pirate on Sept 1, 2014 13:25:00 GMT
I knew he would become a fan favourite there at Rovers. Obviously I'm happy to see all the ex Salisbury players do well at their new clubs. What's happening with Salisbury at the moment mate?
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Post by brizzle on Sept 1, 2014 13:55:08 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2014 15:18:38 GMT
They have also been refused permission to join the Wessex League
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Post by liambrownscfc on Sept 8, 2014 13:27:46 GMT
Mark Winter and another 4 people are currently going back and forth to court to get the club back from the Moroccan, as he still hasn't paid anything. His application to the Wessex league was pretty much laughed at as expected. We are just hoping to get the club back soon, then build for next season, where we will most likely apply for the Wessex league again, but with a proper application this time round. Touzar keeps failing to provide the courts with the evidence needed, so adjournments keep happening, making it go on longer and longer. I understand he has run out of time almost now, so the club should be in the hands of the right people soon... Hopefully
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2014 13:39:04 GMT
Going back to Stuart a little, pathetic bringing him on at rightback.
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Post by The Man from Del Monte on Sept 8, 2014 13:46:58 GMT
Going back to Stuart a little, pathetic bringing him on at rightback. It also begs the question as to what has happened to Leadbitter? He was not even on the bench for the weekend. Was he injured? He was brought in to be our first choice right back (over Higgins), so surely two games (no matter how he played) is not enough to leave him out completely? It took Smith about 20+ games to find his feet after all.
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Post by mancgas has left the building on Sept 8, 2014 14:20:42 GMT
Sinclair isnt just a charachter
In fact his look calls many people to doubt his footballing ability
Next time open minded people who doubt his ability go I suggest you watch for
- how many people in our team are two footed, - which players have a 80% plus pass completion percentage - and which go past the gain line(ie run or pass it ahead of the position they got ball in) over 70% of every time they get the ball.
Sadly for us there are very few.
And it passes the time whilst a few of our other players control it and pass it!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2014 17:28:10 GMT
Going back to Stuart a little, pathetic bringing him on at rightback. i was certain he was going to bring him on for ollie clarke in midfield to give us some energy for the remainder of the game but he played him right wing back which actually became right back because they were on top!!!!
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Post by topgashead on Sept 9, 2014 22:00:05 GMT
Yay Sinclair getting man on the match again. One of our few rays of light at the moment.
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Post by Curly Wurly on Sept 9, 2014 23:27:48 GMT
Very pleased Sinclair started this evening - long overdue. Also thought his booking was an absolute joke, a completely fair 50:50 challenge. Ref was another stinker tonight, but at least he felt pressured by the crowd enough to send the Wrexham player off.
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Post by The Man from Del Monte on Sept 10, 2014 9:28:56 GMT
This picture says it all.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2014 10:52:26 GMT
Ruddy love the small, angry b'stard, who's covered in hair.
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Post by ThisCharmingMan on Sept 10, 2014 11:59:05 GMT
Ruddy love the small, angry b******, who's covered in hair. I echo your sentiments.
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Post by wsmjohn on Sept 11, 2014 20:50:32 GMT
He reminds me of Holloway, I feel there is more to come and considering this his first season as a full time professional.
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