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Post by lostinspace on Aug 2, 2022 17:03:19 GMT
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warehamgas
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Post by warehamgas on Aug 2, 2022 17:19:54 GMT
It doesn’t read very well for the club. The lack of checks, assaults and the lack of stewards looks poor. And when you realise that they’ve been charged 3 times since 2018 and still didn’t put decent provision in place for such a vital game shows that someone took their eyes off the ball.
But it will also be interesting to see what happens about Everton, Huddersfield and Port Vale. Some consistency I hope.
UTG!
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Post by oldie on Aug 2, 2022 18:40:12 GMT
Yep.
And yet, we will still have some numb nuts trying to excuse it🤬
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Post by bondigas on Aug 3, 2022 9:11:25 GMT
And who is the person at the club that took their eyes off the ball.
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Post by oldie on Aug 3, 2022 9:48:59 GMT
And who is the person at the club that took their eyes off the ball. Hoole? Rossiter? Enquiring minds need to know |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 3, 2022 11:44:15 GMT
It doesn’t read very well for the club. The lack of checks, assaults and the lack of stewards looks poor. And when you realise that they’ve been charged 3 times since 2018 and still didn’t put decent provision in place for such a vital game shows that someone took their eyes off the ball. But it will also be interesting to see what happens about Everton, Huddersfield and Port Vale. Some consistency I hope. UTG! The club have been consistently poor at implementing better trained stewards and did not hardly implement any of the rules for the virus. There needs to be some urgent redressing of a few things but i will not hold my breath and given that we use a private security firm, sovereign, then we should be onto them, to make sure the people they provide are capable of doing the job, i have seen what are hardly adults, wearing stewards gear and they wouldn’t have a chance of standing up to anyone who was confronted. In fact, a couple of us did their job for one of them. We need to sort this before the authorities get really tough and maybe even impose points deductions |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 3, 2022 11:45:15 GMT
And who is the person at the club that took their eyes off the ball. Not the first time either |
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Post by warehamgas on Aug 3, 2022 18:42:10 GMT
It doesn’t read very well for the club. The lack of checks, assaults and the lack of stewards looks poor. And when you realise that they’ve been charged 3 times since 2018 and still didn’t put decent provision in place for such a vital game shows that someone took their eyes off the ball. But it will also be interesting to see what happens about Everton, Huddersfield and Port Vale. Some consistency I hope. UTG! The club have been consistently poor at implementing better trained stewards and did not hardly implement any of the rules for the virus. There needs to be some urgent redressing of a few things but i will not hold my breath and given that we use a private security firm, sovereign, then we should be onto them, to make sure the people they provide are capable of doing the job, i have seen what are hardly adults, wearing stewards gear and they wouldn’t have a chance of standing up to anyone who was confronted. In fact, a couple of us did their job for one of them. We need to sort this before the authorities get really tough and maybe even impose points deductions Now that I can agree 100%. Spot on.👍 UTG! |
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Post by oldie on Aug 3, 2022 19:00:04 GMT
It doesn’t read very well for the club. The lack of checks, assaults and the lack of stewards looks poor. And when you realise that they’ve been charged 3 times since 2018 and still didn’t put decent provision in place for such a vital game shows that someone took their eyes off the ball. But it will also be interesting to see what happens about Everton, Huddersfield and Port Vale. Some consistency I hope. UTG! The club have been consistently poor at implementing better trained stewards and did not hardly implement any of the rules for the virus. There needs to be some urgent redressing of a few things but i will not hold my breath and given that we use a private security firm, sovereign, then we should be onto them, to make sure the people they provide are capable of doing the job, i have seen what are hardly adults, wearing stewards gear and they wouldn’t have a chance of standing up to anyone who was confronted. In fact, a couple of us did their job for one of them. We need to sort this before the authorities get really tough and maybe even impose points deductions So are you willing to pay more on the ticket price which would fund more aggressive stewarding? Rather than continue with the concept of consent, where "fans" accept instruction to adhere to the rules. Would you? |
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Post by Bath Gas on Aug 3, 2022 19:01:55 GMT
It doesn’t read very well for the club. The lack of checks, assaults and the lack of stewards looks poor. And when you realise that they’ve been charged 3 times since 2018 and still didn’t put decent provision in place for such a vital game shows that someone took their eyes off the ball. But it will also be interesting to see what happens about Everton, Huddersfield and Port Vale. Some consistency I hope. UTG! The club have been consistently poor at implementing better trained stewards and did not hardly implement any of the rules for the virus. There needs to be some urgent redressing of a few things but i will not hold my breath and given that we use a private security firm, sovereign, then we should be onto them, to make sure the people they provide are capable of doing the job, i have seen what are hardly adults, wearing stewards gear and they wouldn’t have a chance of standing up to anyone who was confronted. In fact, a couple of us did their job for one of them. We need to sort this before the authorities get really tough and maybe even impose points deductions Agreed. I do worry that something will kick off with one of the better known clubs who bring a large away support with them. |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 4, 2022 10:30:41 GMT
The club have been consistently poor at implementing better trained stewards and did not hardly implement any of the rules for the virus. There needs to be some urgent redressing of a few things but i will not hold my breath and given that we use a private security firm, sovereign, then we should be onto them, to make sure the people they provide are capable of doing the job, i have seen what are hardly adults, wearing stewards gear and they wouldn’t have a chance of standing up to anyone who was confronted. In fact, a couple of us did their job for one of them. We need to sort this before the authorities get really tough and maybe even impose points deductions So are you willing to pay more on the ticket price which would fund more aggressive stewarding? Rather than continue with the concept of consent, where "fans" accept instruction to adhere to the rules. Would you? No. The club should be responsible for this and , as someone who never encroached the pitch, during a game, i feel it’s up to them to sort this. I feel the club are already milking the fan base but that’s another story |
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Post by oldie on Aug 4, 2022 12:17:12 GMT
So are you willing to pay more on the ticket price which would fund more aggressive stewarding? Rather than continue with the concept of consent, where "fans" accept instruction to adhere to the rules. Would you? No. The club should be responsible for this and , as someone who never encroached the pitch, during a game, i feel it’s up to them to sort this. I feel the club are already milking the fan base but that’s another story Well The annual losses suggest that the current pricing and cost structure is not sustainable. What to do? It's a real challenge |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 4, 2022 13:21:03 GMT
No. The club should be responsible for this and , as someone who never encroached the pitch, during a game, i feel it’s up to them to sort this. I feel the club are already milking the fan base but that’s another story Well The annual losses suggest that the current pricing and cost structure is not sustainable. What to do? It's a real challenge Pm sent |
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Post by Bath Gas on Aug 4, 2022 14:55:42 GMT
The club have been consistently poor at implementing better trained stewards and did not hardly implement any of the rules for the virus. There needs to be some urgent redressing of a few things but i will not hold my breath and given that we use a private security firm, sovereign, then we should be onto them, to make sure the people they provide are capable of doing the job, i have seen what are hardly adults, wearing stewards gear and they wouldn’t have a chance of standing up to anyone who was confronted. In fact, a couple of us did their job for one of them. We need to sort this before the authorities get really tough and maybe even impose points deductions So are you willing to pay more on the ticket price which would fund more aggressive stewarding? Rather than continue with the concept of consent, where "fans" accept instruction to adhere to the rules. Would you? The club are paying for a service, and it is not being delivered. Stewards looking at their phones all time, one couple - in stewards rigout - were even canoodling at the front of the Thatchers terrace. |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 4, 2022 15:07:29 GMT
So are you willing to pay more on the ticket price which would fund more aggressive stewarding? Rather than continue with the concept of consent, where "fans" accept instruction to adhere to the rules. Would you? The club are paying for a service, and it is not being delivered. Stewards looking at their phones all time, one couple - in stewards rigout - were even canoodling at the front of the Thatchers terrace. Yes, i have seen similar and some no bigger or experienced that school kids |
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Post by warehamgas on Aug 4, 2022 15:16:15 GMT
So are you willing to pay more on the ticket price which would fund more aggressive stewarding? Rather than continue with the concept of consent, where "fans" accept instruction to adhere to the rules. Would you? Stewards looking at their phones all time, one couple - in stewards rigout - were even canoodling at the front of the Thatchers terrace. Absolutely. And I presume within the contract there will be performance measurements. I’ve no idea of the detail but it sounds as if they are not doing what they should be. One of those threads where everyone is more or less right. Oldie in recognising that it would cost more to get a competent security firm doing it but KP correct in saying it’s the responsibility of the football club, which of course it is. I’d say that the size of the ground and it’s reduced capacity is working against the club insofar as they are probably trying to do what they need to do with not enough income to do it. Hence the annual losses which are unsustainable. As ever it leads us back to the suitability of a ground with a capacity of 9,000ish and what the owners are trying to do on that. But over the crowd invasions whilst the match is going on I hope the CCTV shows up who they are and the club seeks them out and deals with them. People need to take responsibility for what they do. It shouldn’t be hard to know not to go on the pitch whilst the match is happening. As for the flares, need to start to search people going in. It’s been happening elsewhere for years, why not the Mem. UTG! |
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Post by trymer on Aug 4, 2022 18:13:36 GMT
I was looking at the Youtube video of the Rovers v Saints 1978 cup game,when Paul Randall scores his 2nd goal a horde of excited fans came on to the pitch,none were older than 11 or12 and they were shooed off by players and stewards.
Later some older Saints supporters invaded the pitch possibly hoping to get the game called off ('lets do a Newcastle') there was fighting with the stewards who were then reinforced by the Police and the invaders were ushered back onto the open end terrace.
The Eastville stewards were all blokes who were up for it if necessary (anyone remember the tall Teddy boy steward ?) the stewards today look like cub scouts,if stewards are needed get the right people for the job.
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Post by trymer on Aug 4, 2022 18:18:01 GMT
The club are paying for a service, and it is not being delivered. Stewards looking at their phones all time, one couple - in stewards rigout - were even canoodling at the front of the Thatchers terrace. But over the crowd invasions whilst the match is going on I hope the CCTV shows up who they are and the club seeks them out and deals with them. People need to take responsibility for what they do. It shouldn’t be hard to know not to go on the pitch whilst the match is happening. As for the flares, need to start to search people going in. It’s been happening elsewhere for years, why not the Mem. UTG! Sad that the invaders during the Scunthorpe match seemed to people in their 20s,30s or even older,I can understand little kids getting over excited but grown men? Mind you I cant get my head around anyone over 12 wearing a replica players shirt. |
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Post by alftupper on Aug 5, 2022 6:28:17 GMT
The club are paying for a service, and it is not being delivered. Stewards looking at their phones all time, one couple - in stewards rigout - were even canoodling at the front of the Thatchers terrace. But over the crowd invasions whilst the match is going on I hope the CCTV shows up who they are and the club seeks them out and deals with them. I said this, a couple of hours after the Scunthorpe game had ( finally ) come to an end. Put images on the local news and in the local paper, and those that can be identified; ban them. It would demonstrate to the powers that be, that we`re serious about the problem, and hopefully would discourage anyone else from running on the pitch.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 5, 2022 12:04:16 GMT
I was looking at the Youtube video of the Rovers v Saints 1978 cup game,when Paul Randall scores his 2nd goal a horde of excited fans came on to the pitch,none were older than 11 or12 and they were shooed off by players and stewards. Later some older Saints supporters invaded the pitch possibly hoping to get the game called off ('lets do a Newcastle') there was fighting with the stewards who were then reinforced by the Police and the invaders were ushered back onto the open end terrace. The Eastville stewards were all blokes who were up for it if necessary (anyone remember the tall Teddy boy steward ?) the stewards today look like cub scouts,if stewards are needed get the right people for the job. I remember teddy boy steward and being given a smack by another, when i tried to push things. Do not get me wrong, we had much worse things go in in those days but you are spot on about the stewards being big units and people, well most, would respect what they said. I do not remember any stewards trying to stop anyone with the saints game but you are right in that they wanted to get the match called off as i have spoken, over a long period, with a few and it’s one they remember, albeit for different reasons. We had a torrid time of it when we went there , in the FA cup and lost 3-1 as i remember, two of us were in their end and we genuinely were in fear of an intensive care beating. We played along. They had , as i remember, a hardcore group that had made a name for itself. We were very glad to get onto the coach and get back |
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