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Post by lostinspace on Jan 26, 2022 14:18:09 GMT
How many do you reckon? 10? 15? 20? Yes, I've seen those on the forums who loudly trumpet about staying away. They barely get into double figures. Some live in other parts of the country and wouldn't get to many matches anyway. The real reason is simply lack of success, which effectively started under DC when he fell out with Wael. It's obviously very hard to estimate how many people are staying away due to B***** (solely or in part). Just from this site I believe the people below are no longer attending games. Some have totally lost interest in the Club. Some don't log in anymore. Some are overseas. At least 3 are in the Herts/Essex borders - that never used to stop us going. IMHO these people aren't staying away because we lack 'success'. We support Rovers through thick, thin and thinner - unless something truly disgusts us. If I've made a mistake - then I'm happy to be corrected. If I've missed anyone out - please let me know. Myself (obviously) Cheshiregas irishrover JeffNZ @thinwhiteduke Shoveller (flown nest, to return) a more piratey game Pop Harris's Eyebrows (I believe returning after the March B***** Court Case for alleged domestic violence) The Concept Igitur oldie (probably) TaiwanGasswissgas (probably) tanksfull Angas Bamber Gashead (probably) sethstarkadder bondigas Gaschat has a lot more traffic than this site... Roughly 5 times the size I think. So let's estimate a combination of 75-100 not attending games. Gaschat + Gasheads.org are themselves only a small part of the Rovers overall fanbase. Let's say they represent 15%-20%? That then gives very roughly 400 - 500. I would estimate that the number of people staying away solely, or partly, because of B***** is in the several hundreds. Significantly more than 10-20 anyway. It doesn't make 'a difference'. That's not the point. For those that attend and can separate their support for the team from their support of B*****. Not a problem. And me ,🖐️
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Post by baselswh on Jan 26, 2022 14:50:00 GMT
Talking of Gasheads staying or leaving,anyone know what happened- in attending football matches - to the group that 'stopped' following Rovers in the 'Boardroom Civil War' time?Kevin Spencer,Kim Stuckey and Co v Geoff Dunford,Barry Bradshaw and Co. I can't actually remember the era,it may of been another time ,but I think they started attending Man Utd games (Mangotsfield United) and managed to upset some people there with flares and I don'tmean their choice of trouser!🙂 I think it a time when quite a few across the UK got carried away with 'fans culture'. Eg. Buying shares in Ebbsfleet and joining in their cutting edge vote system to select the teams starting 11!Ridiculous!😊 Did they return to Rovers,I hope so? Kevin no longer lives in the area, and my understanding is that he was still supporting the club until Punchy tried to attack Wayne Carlisle at Exeter. Wayne is a family member of Kevin's. John Malyckyj is still involved, although not with the SC, he now deals with the Hospital Radio transmissions on match days. But being the decent human being that he is has been in touch with the new SC hierarchy and has made himself available to give any advice / benefit of his experience that they feel may be of use to them. Mike Turl is involved with Solihull Moors, only a few places below Rovers in the football pyramid, and achieving that with a tiny fraction of the resources available to Rovers. From what I gather he broadly implemented the 'Rovers Agenda For Change' at Solihull. One of the prominent SC members at the time has had some health issues, I've not spoken to him for a while. Last I heard, Kim Stuckey was watching Rugby but still followed Rovers' results. I have zero knowledge of any of the people from that period being in trouble for letting off flares. Tell me more. Thanks TWD,although the group that started going to 'Man Utd' was who I was interested in,as far as did they return to Rovers? The flares at Mangotsfield.I think I have a memory of one of them complaining because I think they were told off for letting off flares at the ground.General message was MUFC people were spoil sports and don't appreciate our fantastic 'ultra' support.😏
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Post by baselswh on Jan 26, 2022 15:14:53 GMT
'it's the most excited I've felt about our football club in years.' Really? More excited than when we were third in League 1 just over two seasons ago? We are 15th in L2. Our defence consists of loan players and both Evans and Nicholson will in all probability leave at the end of the season. We have just drawn with a Swindon side managed by Ben Garner who had eight players at the start of the season - yes, they are high in the league, but this is more a reflection of just how poor this league is. Yes, we have games in hand, but for those who think the club is making progress is making progress, I would direct them to last month's 2-0 defeat against farmers from south Gloucestershire. We also made Newport look like Brazil circa 1970. This team is better than the Trollope or Clarke sides that won promotion? No it isn't, and anybody who thinks so is deluding themselves. The club is currently an average league 2 side. That is the fact of the matter. Are you attending Rovers games this season?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2022 15:27:33 GMT
Kevin no longer lives in the area, and my understanding is that he was still supporting the club until Punchy tried to attack Wayne Carlisle at Exeter. Wayne is a family member of Kevin's. John Malyckyj is still involved, although not with the SC, he now deals with the Hospital Radio transmissions on match days. But being the decent human being that he is has been in touch with the new SC hierarchy and has made himself available to give any advice / benefit of his experience that they feel may be of use to them. Mike Turl is involved with Solihull Moors, only a few places below Rovers in the football pyramid, and achieving that with a tiny fraction of the resources available to Rovers. From what I gather he broadly implemented the 'Rovers Agenda For Change' at Solihull. One of the prominent SC members at the time has had some health issues, I've not spoken to him for a while. Last I heard, Kim Stuckey was watching Rugby but still followed Rovers' results. I have zero knowledge of any of the people from that period being in trouble for letting off flares. Tell me more. Thanks TWD,although the group that started going to 'Man Utd' was who I was interested in,as far as did they return to Rovers? The flares at Mangotsfield.I think I have a memory of one of them complaining because I think they were told off for letting off flares at the ground.General message was MUFC people were spoil sports and don't appreciate our fantastic 'ultra' support.😏 I think that ''maybe'' Eclectic Blue was watching Mangotsfield, but would be absolutely staggered if he went to any game with pyrotechnics in his possession. Maybe this flare incident was someone not connected to the SC?
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Post by baselswh on Jan 26, 2022 15:39:34 GMT
Thanks TWD,although the group that started going to 'Man Utd' was who I was interested in,as far as did they return to Rovers? The flares at Mangotsfield.I think I have a memory of one of them complaining because I think they were told off for letting off flares at the ground.General message was MUFC people were spoil sports and don't appreciate our fantastic 'ultra' support.😏 I think that ''maybe'' Eclectic Blue was watching Mangotsfield, but would be absolutely staggered if he went to any game with pyrotechnics in his possession. Maybe this flare incident was someone not connected to the SC? I've no idea if they were SC members. I just wondered if the 'Mango Ultras' cameback to support Rovers. I hope they did.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2022 19:43:42 GMT
I think that ''maybe'' Eclectic Blue was watching Mangotsfield, but would be absolutely staggered if he went to any game with pyrotechnics in his possession. Maybe this flare incident was someone not connected to the SC? I've no idea if they were SC members. I just wondered if the 'Mango Ultras' cameback to support Rovers. I hope they did. I don't recall anything about people who weren't directly involved in the relationship between the SC and the FC stopping attending in protest at that boardroom split. But it's 16 years ago now, so maybe I've forgotten. The main thing to come out of it, in my opinion, was that Kim's proposals would have not only made the club more focused on community activities earlier, and now we see just what an asset the community dept can be, but the finances would have been brought under control. It's difficult to see that the end result of that would have been any worse than Higgs taking us out of the Football League. Having said that, Wael has run up such huge losses, it may not have mattered what state the balance sheet was in on the day that he arrived.
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Post by baselswh on Jan 26, 2022 20:19:18 GMT
I've no idea if they were SC members. I just wondered if the 'Mango Ultras' cameback to support Rovers. I hope they did. I don't recall anything about people who weren't directly involved in the relationship between the SC and the FC stopping attending in protest at that boardroom split. But it's 16 years ago now, so maybe I've forgotten. The main thing to come out of it, in my opinion, was that Kim's proposals would have not only made the club more focused on community activities earlier, and now we see just what an asset the community dept can be, but the finances would have been brought under control. It's difficult to see that the end result of that would have been any worse than Higgs taking us out of the Football League. Having said that, Wael has run up such huge losses, it may not have mattered what state the balance sheet was in on the day that he arrived. My question TWD,has nothing to with SC or the Board civil war'.Nothing. I was just curious if the 'Mango Ultras' cameback to support Rovers.That's it.🙂 You don't know,so fair enough.👍
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2022 22:18:13 GMT
I don't recall anything about people who weren't directly involved in the relationship between the SC and the FC stopping attending in protest at that boardroom split. But it's 16 years ago now, so maybe I've forgotten. The main thing to come out of it, in my opinion, was that Kim's proposals would have not only made the club more focused on community activities earlier, and now we see just what an asset the community dept can be, but the finances would have been brought under control. It's difficult to see that the end result of that would have been any worse than Higgs taking us out of the Football League. Having said that, Wael has run up such huge losses, it may not have mattered what state the balance sheet was in on the day that he arrived. My question TWD,has nothing to with SC or the Board civil war'.Nothing. I was just curious if the 'Mango Ultras' cameback to support Rovers.That's it.🙂 You don't know,so fair enough.👍 You said; It kind of suggested that you were asking about those who walked away as a result of that dispute with Geoff. Whatever, if you ever get this 'flares' thing confirmed let us know.
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Post by baselswh on Jan 26, 2022 22:32:24 GMT
My question TWD,has nothing to with SC or the Board civil war'.Nothing. I was just curious if the 'Mango Ultras' cameback to support Rovers.That's it.🙂 You don't know,so fair enough.👍 You said; It kind of suggested that you were asking about those who walked away as a result of that dispute with Geoff. Whatever, if you ever get this 'flares' thing confirmed let us know. Yes it did,beg your pardon.I was trying to set the era,although that was only a guess. The flares thing mentioned because I thought someone might remember the 'incident' as they knew the 'Ultras'. Both hopeful clues.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2022 22:36:41 GMT
You said; It kind of suggested that you were asking about those who walked away as a result of that dispute with Geoff. Whatever, if you ever get this 'flares' thing confirmed let us know. Yes it did,beg your pardon.I was trying to set the era,although that was only a guess. The flares thing mentioned because I thought someone might remember the 'incident' as they knew the 'Ultras'. Both hopeful clues. Oh well, we've had a little chat, I've reminded you about your friend going for Wayne Carlisle; we've cried a little, we've laughed a little. Let's do it again some time.
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Post by baselswh on Jan 26, 2022 22:41:32 GMT
Yes it did,beg your pardon.I was trying to set the era,although that was only a guess. The flares thing mentioned because I thought someone might remember the 'incident' as they knew the 'Ultras'. Both hopeful clues. Oh well, we've had a little chat, I've reminded you about your friend going for Wayne Carlisle; we've cried a little, we've laughed a little. Let's do it again some time. The 'Wayne v Joe' episode recieved - I think - no action at all from the referee. Those kind of moments happen hundreds of times across UK football fields every Saturday afternoon.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2022 11:44:26 GMT
Oh well, we've had a little chat, I've reminded you about your friend going for Wayne Carlisle; we've cried a little, we've laughed a little. Let's do it again some time. The 'Wayne v Joe' episode recieved - I think - no action at all from the referee. Those kind of moments happen hundreds of times across UK football fields every Saturday afternoon. Punchy gets around a bit, doesn't he. And the thing here Bas is that the same as most people on here, I've attended probably thousands of football matches, and have never had to be held back to stop me from attacking anybody. If you regard this as normal / acceptable behaviour then it kind of gives some insight into why you aren't disgusted at having him here.
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Post by oldie on Jan 27, 2022 12:22:22 GMT
The 'Wayne v Joe' episode recieved - I think - no action at all from the referee. Those kind of moments happen hundreds of times across UK football fields every Saturday afternoon. Punchy gets around a bit, doesn't he. And the thing here Bas is that the same as most people on here, I've attended probably thousands of football matches, and have never had to be held back to stop me from attacking anybody. If you regard this as normal / acceptable behaviour then it kind of gives some insight into why you aren't disgusted at having him here. Precisely put.
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Post by laughinggas on Jan 27, 2022 13:05:15 GMT
If JB behaved like Wayne and Wayne reacted then you would complain about JB, probably!
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Post by baselswh on Jan 27, 2022 14:24:26 GMT
The 'Wayne v Joe' episode recieved - I think - no action at all from the referee. Those kind of moments happen hundreds of times across UK football fields every Saturday afternoon. Punchy gets around a bit, doesn't he. And the thing here Bas is that the same as most people on here, I've attended probably thousands of football matches, and have never had to be held back to stop me from attacking anybody. If you regard this as normal / acceptable behaviour then it kind of gives some insight into why you aren't disgusted at having him here. I don't think the violence at football matches - on and off the field - "acceptable" but after 18 years playing football and many years watching Rovers (and FC Basel while I'mat it ) ,I know that some people lose their temper occasionally.They usually get punished. Eg Archie Stephens,a hero to many. Football is for all. I was chatting to Rovers Vicar the other day,next to the Frome,Eastville Park. He is impressed with Joe's coaching.He chats to him now and again and supports him in his role as Rovers Manager.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2022 16:11:40 GMT
Punchy gets around a bit, doesn't he. And the thing here Bas is that the same as most people on here, I've attended probably thousands of football matches, and have never had to be held back to stop me from attacking anybody. If you regard this as normal / acceptable behaviour then it kind of gives some insight into why you aren't disgusted at having him here. I don't think the violence at football matches - on and off the field - "acceptable" but after 18 years playing football and many years watching Rovers (and FC Basel while I'mat it ) ,I know that some people lose their temper occasionally.They usually get punished. Eg Archie Stephens,a hero to many. Football is for all. I was chatting to Rovers Vicar the other day,next to the Frome,Eastville Park. He is impressed with Joe's coaching.He chats to him now and again and supports him in his role as Rovers Manager. Two things about that Bas. Yes, some may 'occasionally' get a bit hot under the collar, and then there's Punchy. Secondly, who cares about the opinion of a grown adult with an imaginary friend? If anything, you should question his judgement as it appears to be somewhat flawed and irrational. It really is about time that just one of the many thousands of Gods that have been worshiped worked out that He's won this game of celestial hide and seek and just revealed Himself rather than continuing to hide whilst blood is spilt around the world.
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Post by oldie on Jan 27, 2022 16:12:15 GMT
Punchy gets around a bit, doesn't he. And the thing here Bas is that the same as most people on here, I've attended probably thousands of football matches, and have never had to be held back to stop me from attacking anybody. If you regard this as normal / acceptable behaviour then it kind of gives some insight into why you aren't disgusted at having him here. I don't think the violence at football matches - on and off the field - "acceptable" but after 18 years playing football and many years watching Rovers (and FC Basel while I'mat it ) ,I know that some people lose their temper occasionally.They usually get punished. Eg Archie Stephens,a hero to many. Football is for all. I was chatting to Rovers Vicar the other day,next to the Frome,Eastville Park. He is impressed with Joe's coaching.He chats to him now and again and supports him in his role as Rovers Manager. You can see why he might be sympathetic. "A former football hooligan, he was banned from the club twice in the 1980s for violent behaviour."
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Post by baselswh on Jan 27, 2022 16:28:39 GMT
I don't think the violence at football matches - on and off the field - "acceptable" but after 18 years playing football and many years watching Rovers (and FC Basel while I'mat it ) ,I know that some people lose their temper occasionally.They usually get punished. Eg Archie Stephens,a hero to many. Football is for all. I was chatting to Rovers Vicar the other day,next to the Frome,Eastville Park. He is impressed with Joe's coaching.He chats to him now and again and supports him in his role as Rovers Manager. You can see why he might be sympathetic. "A former football hooligan, he was banned from the club twice in the 1980s for violent behaviour." It's a different bloke now.
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Post by baselswh on Jan 27, 2022 16:29:26 GMT
I don't think the violence at football matches - on and off the field - "acceptable" but after 18 years playing football and many years watching Rovers (and FC Basel while I'mat it ) ,I know that some people lose their temper occasionally.They usually get punished. Eg Archie Stephens,a hero to many. Football is for all. I was chatting to Rovers Vicar the other day,next to the Frome,Eastville Park. He is impressed with Joe's coaching.He chats to him now and again and supports him in his role as Rovers Manager. Two things about that Bas. Yes, some may 'occasionally' get a bit hot under the collar, and then there's Punchy. Secondly, who cares about the opinion of a grown adult with an imaginary friend? If anything, you should question his judgement as it appears to be somewhat flawed and irrational. It really is about time that just one of the many thousands of Gods that have been worshiped worked out that He's won this game of celestial hide and seek and just revealed Himself rather than continuing to hide whilst blood is spilt around the world. "Gone fishing".....🙂
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2022 16:53:03 GMT
Two things about that Bas. Yes, some may 'occasionally' get a bit hot under the collar, and then there's Punchy. Secondly, who cares about the opinion of a grown adult with an imaginary friend? If anything, you should question his judgement as it appears to be somewhat flawed and irrational. It really is about time that just one of the many thousands of Gods that have been worshiped worked out that He's won this game of celestial hide and seek and just revealed Himself rather than continuing to hide whilst blood is spilt around the world. "Gone fishing".....🙂 You introduced the bloke into the conversation Bas, and then appeared to offer him as a character reference for Punchy. Next time you see him tell him to pop on here and let's have his evidence for the existence of this God, which somehow exists outside of time and space as we understand it, yet can still influence things in this realm.
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