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Post by toteend3 on Dec 17, 2021 20:40:48 GMT
I cannot believe that 25% of players in the EFL are not vaccinated and have no intention of having the jab, consequently all ready causing disproportionate disruption to games.
Maybe i have been a little naive but surely they have a duty to their fellow players, their club and all of us the fans.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2021 20:49:28 GMT
I didn't realise there was a vaccination that prevented you from contracting the virus?
Maybe the selfish people are those who are turning up at sports grounds, going to pubs, going in to shops when they really don't need to, going to night clubs etc, you get the idea.
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Dec 17, 2021 22:24:26 GMT
I didn't realise there was a vaccination that prevented you from contracting the virus? Maybe the selfish people are those who are turning up at sports grounds, going to pubs, going in to shops when they really don't need to, going to night clubs etc, you get the idea. you mean having a life to keep themselves fit and mentally healthy, and keeping hard working businesses afloat and decent people in jobs? Don’t you think the liberal society element is important Duke - ring fence yourself if you want, keep yourself going if you want. |
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Dec 17, 2021 22:30:22 GMT
I cannot believe that 25% of players in the EFL are not vaccinated and have no intention of having the jab, consequently all ready causing disproportionate disruption to games. Maybe i have been a little naive but surely they have a duty to their fellow players, their club and all of us the fans. Wan#ers! what might come as a surprise is the number of the 25% who just don’t take any vaccine or even life saving transfusions and surgery on religious grounds. How many of the players are not of these shores and on work permit, so come from other cultures. but, and I agree where you are coming from, how many of the 25% are put off by Twitter scare stories. or, as it’s less threat of serious illness in their age group, just it’s not a priority, which is also bad as you say “surely they have a duty to their fellow players, their club and all of us the fans” |
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Post by Nobbygas on Dec 17, 2021 23:12:40 GMT
In Italy 98% of the players have been vaccinated. No games cancelled. It ain't rocket science is it.
In Germany, Bayern Munich stopped the wages of those players who are unvaccinated and had to miss either training or games due to Covid self-isolation. There were some high profile names including Kimmich the club Captain.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2021 23:21:59 GMT
I didn't realise there was a vaccination that prevented you from contracting the virus? Maybe the selfish people are those who are turning up at sports grounds, going to pubs, going in to shops when they really don't need to, going to night clubs etc, you get the idea. you mean having a life to keep themselves fit and mentally healthy, and keeping hard working businesses afloat and decent people in jobs? Don’t you think the liberal society element is important Duke - ring fence yourself if you want, keep yourself going if you want. How many people are you prepared to kill so that you can go to the pub or a football match? New Zealand have no time for your sort of pathetic nonsense, total deaths so far 49. UK deaths nearing 150,000. Stick that into deepl and post it on here in Latin in an attempt to make yourself look clever. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2021 23:28:00 GMT
In Italy 98% of the players have been vaccinated. No games cancelled. It ain't rocket science is it. In Germany, Bayern Munich stopped the wages of those players who are unvaccinated and had to miss either training or games due to Covid self-isolation. There were some high profile names including Kimmich the club Captain. What it quite possibly demonstrates is that anybody so selfish as to not get vaccinated probably isn't behaving particularly responsibly in general. But that's not what was claimed in the original post, that was saying that a consequence of not being vaccinated was that football matches were being disrupted. |
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Post by warehamgas on Dec 18, 2021 0:12:55 GMT
Football being disrupted by the large numbers of players getting Covid is obviously going to be big on a football forum but until I know what the link is between unvaccinated players and those catching Covid now it’s hard to say if it’s important or not. I guess someone somewhere will be doing the numbers and making the links and it will be for the RFL or the PL to make it mandatory or not. And then it will be up to the clubs to decide their position in all of it. I wonder if clubs who signed players in the Summer made it part of player’s contracts that they had to have the vaccination if offered. Probably not but I don’t know.
But in the bigger picture of society in general people who do not get the vaccination may be seen to be irresponsible unless, of course, they have a medical reason for not doing so. And as this epidemic is now moving towards being two years old those people may have to face the fact that there are consequences, unintended or otherwise, of their particular actions. I presume they took those consequences into account when they decided not to do so. I suspect as this epidemic ages government and especially people in general who have tried to act in a responsible way may well be hardening up in their attitude towards those who remain unvaccinated without a medical reason. Difficult times ahead I think.
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Dec 18, 2021 6:13:31 GMT
Barney Ronay: The reality is this: 68% of footballers had been double vaccinated up to the most recent stats including the Premier League. Look a bit deeper and guess what? Those numbers are the same for men aged 20-30 in the UK population as a whole. End result: footballers are not laggards, not a special case. They simply reflect the reality of everyone else out there. Perhaps you could even say footballers are doing better than the general population. In the non-football world a quarter of people in that age group are obese. Just under a fifth will have a pre-existing health problem. No footballers are obese. These are the fittest people in the country.
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Post by a more piratey game on Dec 18, 2021 8:27:56 GMT
Barney Ronay: The reality is this: 68% of footballers had been double vaccinated up to the most recent stats including the Premier League. Look a bit deeper and guess what? Those numbers are the same for men aged 20-30 in the UK population as a whole. End result: footballers are not laggards, not a special case. They simply reflect the reality of everyone else out there. Perhaps you could even say footballers are doing better than the general population. In the non-football world a quarter of people in that age group are obese. Just under a fifth will have a pre-existing health problem. No footballers are obese. These are the fittest people in the country. Ahem, Josh Barrel? And our centre forward is no sylph. Take your point tho |
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Post by alftupper on Dec 18, 2021 10:46:13 GMT
you mean having a life to keep themselves fit and mentally healthy, and keeping hard working businesses afloat and decent people in jobs? Don’t you think the liberal society element is important Duke - ring fence yourself if you want, keep yourself going if you want. How many people are you prepared to kill so that you can go to the pub or a football match? New Zealand have no time for your sort of pathetic nonsense, total deaths so far 49. UK deaths nearing 150,000. Stick that into deepl and post it on here in Latin in an attempt to make yourself look clever. Personally, I`m not prepared to kill anybody to go to the pub or the football. I am prepared to take the risk, same as I`m prepared to take the risk that I might add to the fatalities on the road, every time I get behind the wheel. What are we all gonna do now? Are we all going to skulk away like Mrs Rochester, from now until the last syllable of recorded time? I`ve had both jabs and the booster; perfectly happy to mask up in shops etc and when I`m forced to use public transport, and agree that people should have to be able to demonstrate their vaccination status, at any large gathering. Which is what I`m doing this aft, on the Glos Rd with a few friends.
Don`t usually agree with E S, but I do re his point on keeping fit. Out at 8.30 this morning for a 5 mile run. Makes me feel much better about life. Mens sana in corpore sano, and all that.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2021 11:11:47 GMT
How many people are you prepared to kill so that you can go to the pub or a football match? New Zealand have no time for your sort of pathetic nonsense, total deaths so far 49. UK deaths nearing 150,000. Stick that into deepl and post it on here in Latin in an attempt to make yourself look clever. Personally, I`m not prepared to kill anybody to go to the pub or the football. I am prepared to take the risk, same as I`m prepared to take the risk that I might add to the fatalities on the road, every time I get behind the wheel. What are we all gonna do now? Are we all going to skulk away like Mrs Rochester, from now until the last syllable of recorded time? I`ve had both jabs and the booster; perfectly happy to mask up in shops etc and when I`m forced to use public transport, and agree that people should have to be able to demonstrate their vaccination status, at any large gathering. Which is what I`m doing this aft, on the Glos Rd with a few friends.
Don`t usually agree with E S, but I do re his point on keeping fit. Out at 8.30 this morning for a 5 mile run. Makes me feel much better about life. Mens sana in corpore sano, and all that.
Bit of a false equivocation there Alf. 2020 UK road deaths 1516. That's not just drivers, that's total road deaths. Virus related deaths are edging up towards 150,000 now. It really is an equation, how many deaths Vs what liberties / recreational facilities do you want open. I honestly don't know where this ends, just when you think things are settling and something approaching normality is returning to life, it all kicks off again and now we seem to be back to a position where football is about to be cancelled and who knows what follows on from that. |
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Post by icegas on Dec 18, 2021 12:00:34 GMT
I cannot believe that 25% of players in the EFL are not vaccinated and have no intention of having the jab, consequently all ready causing disproportionate disruption to games. Maybe i have been a little naive but surely they have a duty to their fellow players, their club and all of us the fans. Wan#ers! The vaccine is a choice, there is no proof that it even works otherwise we wouldn't be in this position today. Mandatory vaccine is not an option, I took the Jab as I was in hospital with Covid, but that was my free choice.The players have theirs also. |
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Post by lostinspace on Dec 18, 2021 12:06:03 GMT
and in the 'States
The Cleveland Browns were set to face the Las Vegas Raiders on Saturday but will now host the game on Monday.
Cleveland have placed about 20 players on the reserve/Covid-19 list this week.
"Although we are unable to disclose specifics, we are fortunate that every member of our organisation who has recently tested positive was vaccinated, the majority of which are currently asymptomatic or experiencing mild symptoms," the Browns said in a statement.
The Seattle Seahawks-Los Angeles Rams and Washington Football Team-Philadelphia Eagles games were both set to take place on Sunday but will now go ahead on Tuesday
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Post by towngas on Dec 18, 2021 12:28:23 GMT
In Italy 98% of the players have been vaccinated. No games cancelled. It ain't rocket science is it. In Germany, Bayern Munich stopped the wages of those players who are unvaccinated and had to miss either training or games due to Covid self-isolation. There were some high profile names including Kimmich the club Captain. What it quite possibly demonstrates is that anybody so selfish as to not get vaccinated probably isn't behaving particularly responsibly in general. But that's not what was claimed in the original post, that was saying that a consequence of not being vaccinated was that football matches were being disrupted. The original post was correct though, football is being disrupted and if the virus is more rife in the game because players won’t get vaccinated then I think they deserve to be censured. in wider society, and this will upset the Libertarians, I think the govt ought to pass legislation to ensure that people who aren’t vaccinated shouldn’t be allowed to work. Bollox to religious belief, culture etc. The quickest way for society to get in top of this pandemic is for total immunisation. I really hesitate to write that, I really believe in freedom of choice, however for the greater good etc etc. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2021 12:52:34 GMT
What it quite possibly demonstrates is that anybody so selfish as to not get vaccinated probably isn't behaving particularly responsibly in general. But that's not what was claimed in the original post, that was saying that a consequence of not being vaccinated was that football matches were being disrupted. The original post was correct though, football is being disrupted and if the virus is more rife in the game because players won’t get vaccinated then I think they deserve to be censured. in wider society, and this will upset the Libertarians, I think the govt ought to pass legislation to ensure that people who aren’t vaccinated shouldn’t be allowed to work. Bollox to religious belief, culture etc. The quickest way for society to get in top of this pandemic is for total immunisation. I really hesitate to write that, I really believe in freedom of choice, however for the greater good etc etc. Again, do we have a vaccine now that prevents infection? I think you'll find that the answer is that no such vaccine exists. Behaviour is the problem. Now, it may well be that people who refuse the vaccine are more likely to act recklessly in general, but I'm not aware of data to support that assumption at this stage. |
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Post by toteend3 on Dec 18, 2021 13:27:01 GMT
In Italy 98% of the players have been vaccinated. No games called off. It ain't rocket science is it.In Germany, Bayern Munich stopped the wages of those players who are unvaccinated and had to miss either training or games due to Covid self-isolation. There were some high profile names including Kimmich the club Captain. As this Covid Shi#fest continues to cause havoc on our day to day living, i had 'naively' assumed, that all 'elite' sportsmen, would as a prerequisite, be vaccinated including, all the Premier League and international footballers. Thus giving us, the choice of either going to a live game, or watching on Tv from the safety of one's armchair, the Man U's, Chelsea, Liverpool etc or the Gas on ifollow. It should have been a great morale booster and would have gone long way to lift the spirits and keep us sane. Now all we can do is watch as football fixtures round the country 'crash and burn' But hey what do i know! UTG |
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Post by lostinspace on Dec 18, 2021 14:25:39 GMT
Villa call off their game with 2 hours before KO,2000 Burnley fans en route, and then you have the " out of town fans " who make a day of it,wasted journey time and money, no recompense for them 🤔
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Post by hanhamgreengas on Dec 18, 2021 14:50:53 GMT
Modern football at that level could not give a fig about fans.
As for the 25% not vaccinated. Come and work some NHS shifts with me and my nearly exhausted colleagues and you might understand the need to minimise the damage this Covid s**tfest is causing.
I hope that the Gas players have a better uptake than what is being said.
Having any respect for footballers today is becoming increasingly difficult.
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Post by JeffNZ on Dec 18, 2021 15:50:46 GMT
The original post was correct though, football is being disrupted and if the virus is more rife in the game because players won’t get vaccinated then I think they deserve to be censured. in wider society, and this will upset the Libertarians, I think the govt ought to pass legislation to ensure that people who aren’t vaccinated shouldn’t be allowed to work. Bollox to religious belief, culture etc. The quickest way for society to get in top of this pandemic is for total immunisation. I really hesitate to write that, I really believe in freedom of choice, however for the greater good etc etc. Again, do we have a vaccine now that prevents infection? I think you'll find that the answer is that no such vaccine exists. Behaviour is the problem. Now, it may well be that people who refuse the vaccine are more likely to act recklessly in general, but I'm not aware of data to support that assumption at this stage. Agreed TWD. Here in NZ the whole population is at 90% double vaccinated, the vast majority wear masks and vaccine passes are required for entry to most venues and public transport.I think the latter two steps are a major contributor to the death toll currently being just 49. It also took having our biggest city (Auckland), where the majority of cases were appearing,locked down for over 100 days. Not ideal but the majority complied with the lockdown and it suppressed the viruses spread massively. That changed a few days ago and Aucklanders can now travel nationally. It will be interesting to see if a combination of having 90% vaccinated and those other measures stop the virus spread this time. That said, we don't have Omicron in the community....yet. And as can be seen in the UK, that's a real game changer. |
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