gasprom
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Post by gasprom on Sept 20, 2021 17:00:45 GMT
Just out of interest, is the post JC has vacated well paid? Asking for a friend who’s looking for a job. Only condition is he doesn’t want to have to watch matches
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Post by sethstarkadder on Sept 20, 2021 17:23:44 GMT
If that is the case then the EC is, at best, playing fast and loose with their own rules.
The only other explanation is, if there are only two candidates to vote for, than they are automatically selected and put forward. Of course the SC have only chosen to do this now when they have had months to do so in any form of EGM or election that they could have held As I say, I suspect it is being done because the SC expect the FC to reject them, so they can do some points scoring themselves Jim Chappell and Ken Masters. Disclaimer: This is me speculating, (only slightly) tongue in cheek. It is not 'in the know' info that should be repeated as established fact because 'it's on the Internet'. Then again, why doesn't he tell us the names? it's not like he was worried about the word count by the look of it. Not only have they forgotten to consult or elect, they've slapped anonymity on who it is we haven't eventually chosen. All totally ridiculous.
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gasprom
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Post by gasprom on Sept 20, 2021 18:33:33 GMT
Well, it’s Monday evening now. I fully expected a departure today swiftly followed by Warner, Mangan, Short etc. Losing our silent CEO and disastrous Director of Loaning Out Players He Signed is an aspiration but perhaps too much to hope for. Instead we have this. What a thoroughly underwhelming day in the life of an appalling organisation.
B***** out
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Post by a more piratey game on Sept 20, 2021 18:37:14 GMT
Just out of interest, is the post JC has vacated well paid? Asking for a friend who’s looking for a job. Only condition is he doesn’t want to have to watch matches is he willing to be regularly vilified on relatively little-known internet forums?
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gasprom
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Post by gasprom on Sept 20, 2021 18:53:00 GMT
Just out of interest, is the post JC has vacated well paid? Asking for a friend who’s looking for a job. Only condition is he doesn’t want to have to watch matches is he willing to be regularly vilified on relatively little-known internet forums? Yes, even by gaschatters who like to occasionally drop in the success of their businesses.
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Post by irenestoyboy on Sept 20, 2021 19:16:19 GMT
This was something I had noticed as well. For clarification, was the Fit and Proper Person's challenge separate to the safeguarding allegation? Yes.
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harrybuckle
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Post by harrybuckle on Sept 20, 2021 19:34:38 GMT
Interesting and noteworthy summary of events by the long standing chairman who has highlighted what many feel is a widening gap between the owners and the fans. Difficult times lay ahead and I sincerely hope those willing keyboard warriors step forward to take over the various positions in the new age SC ....but I won't hold my breath. Rather than your usual barbed comments why don't you do it Harry. Frankly not up to it. My health is not good at moment receiving chemotherapy for cancer and need to concentrate on recovery after surgery last November.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2021 19:40:59 GMT
The only other explanation is, if there are only two candidates to vote for, than they are automatically selected and put forward. Of course the SC have only chosen to do this now when they have had months to do so in any form of EGM or election that they could have held As I say, I suspect it is being done because the SC expect the FC to reject them, so they can do some points scoring themselves Then any victory (or defeat) would be pyrrhic.
I'll admit that the lack of transparency/ accountability is the main reason I stopped renewing my BRSC membership. I'm sure some would say that I'm no longer entitled to a view of their business as a result.
The SC EC can Co-Opt people to the position of SS Director, but I 'think' they would need to come from the EC. My view is that this provision should only be used in exceptional circumstances though. As Cheshire says, they were happy to make huge decisions that can't be reversed, such as selling 199, without drafting alternative proposals and putting them to the membership, but today Jim thinks that a vote's required, but even people who may have been SC members for many years and who may have been higher level SS members are excluded if their membership has now lapsed. Hmmm..... Oh well, moving right along, the decks are about to be cleared, let's see if someone on here who likes to talk a lot will be willing to get in there are restructure the entire thing and make it fit for purpose. My guess is that he won't, even though previously he's claimed that Jim was the hurdle that couldn't be overcome.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2021 19:42:48 GMT
Rather than your usual barbed comments why don't you do it Harry. Frankly not up to it. My health is not good at moment receiving chemotherapy for cancer and need to concentrate on recovery after surgery last November. I'm genuinely sorry to hear that Mike, I honestly had no idea. Hope the treatment went well for you and you make a full recovery.
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Post by irenestoyboy on Sept 20, 2021 20:07:58 GMT
Then any victory (or defeat) would be pyrrhic.
I'll admit that the lack of transparency/ accountability is the main reason I stopped renewing my BRSC membership. I'm sure some would say that I'm no longer entitled to a view of their business as a result.
The SC EC can Co-Opt people to the position of SS Director, but I 'think' they would need to come from the EC. My view is that this provision should only be used in exceptional circumstances though. As Cheshire says, they were happy to make huge decisions that can't be reversed, such as selling 199, without drafting alternative proposals and putting them to the membership, but today Jim thinks that a vote's required, but even people who may have been SC members for many years and who may have been higher level SS members are excluded if their membership has now lapsed. Hmmm..... Oh well, moving right along, the decks are about to be cleared, let's see if someone on here who likes to talk a lot will be willing to get in there are restructure the entire thing and make it fit for purpose. My guess is that he won't, even though previously he's claimed that Jim was the hurdle that couldn't be overcome. I’ll need to speak to my solicitor first by the sounds of it.
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gasprom
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Post by gasprom on Sept 20, 2021 20:15:41 GMT
Rather than your usual barbed comments why don't you do it Harry. Frankly not up to it. My health is not good at moment receiving chemotherapy for cancer and need to concentrate on recovery after surgery last November. Best wishes in your recovery Mr Buckle. We don’t know each other personally but I have huge admiration and respect for you and the work you have done. Get well soon and keep writing.
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Post by irenestoyboy on Sept 20, 2021 20:26:53 GMT
Rather than your usual barbed comments why don't you do it Harry. Frankly not up to it. My health is not good at moment receiving chemotherapy for cancer and need to concentrate on recovery after surgery last November. Sorry to hear that Mike. Keep yourself as safe and well as poss.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2021 20:32:12 GMT
The SC EC can Co-Opt people to the position of SS Director, but I 'think' they would need to come from the EC. My view is that this provision should only be used in exceptional circumstances though. As Cheshire says, they were happy to make huge decisions that can't be reversed, such as selling 199, without drafting alternative proposals and putting them to the membership, but today Jim thinks that a vote's required, but even people who may have been SC members for many years and who may have been higher level SS members are excluded if their membership has now lapsed. Hmmm..... Oh well, moving right along, the decks are about to be cleared, let's see if someone on here who likes to talk a lot will be willing to get in there are restructure the entire thing and make it fit for purpose. My guess is that he won't, even though previously he's claimed that Jim was the hurdle that couldn't be overcome. I’ll need to speak to my solicitor first by the sounds of it. Ignore that stuff, you can control that from within. Arrange to speak to the other EC members, have a prospectus drafted, get yourself well versed with the SC constitution and the SS agreement, be clear what changes you want to make and for what reasons and how you intend to go about it. I don't think you can be Chairman without having served on the EC for a period, but you'll be able to confirm that after studying the constitution, so you may have to go for position of SS Director and orchestrate change from there.
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Angas
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Post by Angas on Sept 20, 2021 22:59:51 GMT
This I don't quite understand:-
"The money belongs to the Supporters Club because it is the entire proceeds from the enforced sale of the former SC shop and offices in Kingswood."
The entire proceeds? Doesn't seem much and I thought a higher figure had been quoted at the time of sale. It was a while ago though, so maybe I'm remembering incorrectly.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2021 23:15:31 GMT
This I don't quite understand:- "The money belongs to the Supporters Club because it is the entire proceeds from the enforced sale of the former SC shop and offices in Kingswood." The entire proceeds? Doesn't seem much and I thought a higher figure had been quoted at the time of sale. It was a while ago though, so maybe I'm remembering incorrectly. It's not all that they got Ann, I think Jim meant to say that it's all that remains from the proceeds. And it wasn't 'enforced', they made that decision without, in my opinion, properly considering the alternatives.
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Cheshiregas
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Post by Cheshiregas on Sept 20, 2021 23:21:21 GMT
Never a dull moment at BRFC. Good bye Jim and well done for everything that you have done for yourself over the years. Ouch!
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Cheshiregas
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Post by Cheshiregas on Sept 20, 2021 23:24:58 GMT
Frankly not up to it. My health is not good at moment receiving chemotherapy for cancer and need to concentrate on recovery after surgery last November. I'm genuinely sorry to hear that Mike, I honestly had no idea. Hope the treatment went well for you and you make a full recovery. Well put TWD, concur with your sentiments. Best wishes Mike.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 21, 2021 4:40:49 GMT
Rather than your usual barbed comments why don't you do it Harry. Frankly not up to it. My health is not good at moment receiving chemotherapy for cancer and need to concentrate on recovery after surgery last November. Get well soon, Hb.....we always need more nonsense from everyone!
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Post by sethstarkadder on Sept 21, 2021 10:34:26 GMT
Gazing through the thicket of questionable stuff in his statement, what’s notably missing is any sense of what happens next. Like ‘nominations will open...’; ‘x has agreed to step forward’; ‘I wish my successor well in rebuilding a relationship...’. Just that the vice-chairman’s going too, and the Treasurer will be around until Christmas. There’s no explanation of that either: what’s the rationale in staying for a few months?
One of the main functions of leadership is ensuring succession. It’s like it’s, at best, ‘not interested if I’m not running it’. ‘Nothing in his life became him like the leaving it’, as The Man put it.
But is there actually an agenda to crash the organisation, with the Treasurer staying on to close accounts etc? No provision for any other post-AGM scenario is apparent.
That might be for the best, but why not be open about it and do a controlled ‘what next?’ exercise. Okay, his nose is well out of joint, but the focus of his angst is not the SC or its members or the people it’s supposed to serve, but that’s who he’s slamming the door on.
If the AGM doesn’t replace these people, then what? If it folds, does anyone know if there’s provision for that in the share agreement and, if not, what the default legal basis is? Do the shares revert to the company?
On the positive side, whatever and however happens next, it has to be an improvement on what’s there now.
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Post by Curly Wurly on Sept 21, 2021 11:15:13 GMT
Rather than your usual barbed comments why don't you do it Harry. Frankly not up to it. My health is not good at moment receiving chemotherapy for cancer and need to concentrate on recovery after surgery last November. Get well soon, Mike.
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