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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Aug 5, 2015 10:38:31 GMT
So in your sources view is the staduim dead w/o Rovers/Sainsbury's money, or is it possible it could be finanaced by another interested party? Could we have a situation where UWE supply the land, somebody like Icon etc financing & then managing it, with Rovers & the UWE making use of it? Like I've repeatedly said the University will not pay for a stadium. Did say you were wasting your time. |
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Aug 5, 2015 10:37:59 GMT
I'll say this again. Why would a University want to build a stadium? They have planning permission which can be modified. Why should they not cover every angle. They seem to have been professional in all that's been happening with the BoD and Shamesburys. If they fear BRFC will go under they will also know that with such a large fanbase a phoenix club will rise in the form of a new company or an AFC BRFC. That club will need a stadium because MSP will call their charge on the Mem and the Administrator will sell to the best bidder who will be unlikely to use the Mem as a Sports ground or care about its "Memorial" status. If it is a supermarket they won't care about fans having a stadium or the Nimbys having a flower garden either (Trash take note). UWE owning the stadium would mean they take nearly all revenues and have a sports complex that can be used by students and for sports scholarships. Makes sense if the BoD lose the case and BRFC crashes. PS LPG, is that In the Know or is there another Hidden Agenda ((copyright) Henbury Gas 2015)  Care to say how many football league clubs have been put in Administration and the Administrator has sold the freehold of the ground separately to the whole club? |
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Aug 5, 2015 9:08:14 GMT
Do you have anything to show us other than a statement that reads like the lyrics to a Bowie song written in a rented room in Berlin? Trust me, UWE won't pay for it. Chewy I'd give up if people want to grasp at rumours, that can logically be dismissed with a fag packet and a 5 minute brainstorming session then let them. When it becomes clear UWE won't be building a stadium (their Chancellor has said this) they'll be on here saying how they never believed a word of it. |
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Aug 4, 2015 10:20:22 GMT
I think this is an amazing signing.
Never heard of him or seen him kick a football but absolutely cracking signing. I mean he does look like a footballer
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Aug 3, 2015 19:29:18 GMT
Money on it's way to the bank account.
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Aug 3, 2015 11:29:40 GMT
I think the ball won't move but that doesn't seem to be an option....
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Aug 2, 2015 18:44:21 GMT
Can we force him to have a sensible hair cut? Unlikely he's not receding like the rest of us yet .... |
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Aug 2, 2015 18:35:24 GMT
An excellent piece of business by our manager..... Agree - But not all did though as some posted things like we have no chance of signing him as it was a pathetic derisory and insulting offer as DCs hands were tied. Ball very much in Bodins court now to stay fit and perform Serious question why is it an excellent piece of business? I certainly hope it is but based on Friday, the only time I have seen him, he was half the player that Hannah Montano was. We're we in competition with any other club to sign? Was this the only offer he had? Or have we snapped up a player that was in demand? |
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Aug 2, 2015 18:29:33 GMT
So a story on a "footy" site comes out, (no one on here knows if it has any truth and every one on here "jumps" on it). Two things to remember. Why would UWE want a stadium, and the plan in the South Gloucester development clearly states that it has to be a 20,000 + stadium. If they want this to happen then they are going to have to obtain planning permission, which as we know could take years. Why would the UWE want a stadium? The chancellor or possible vice-chancellor is on record s saying would I rather build a stadium or a new business school of course I would build a new business school. Perhaps NH isn't the only person who doesn't tell the whole truth. Still I absolutely hope UWE build a stadium, I also absolutely hope we don't sign a contract with them before it is built. |
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Aug 1, 2015 20:05:21 GMT
Why indeed. Let UWE build the stadium, we can remain at the Mem for the next 5 years & then negotiate with the owners of a stadium that is sat unused for 365 days a year making no money. The only problem is how do we pay the Wonga loan of £3m+ at the end of the year, plus what if NH wants is "loan" repaid back within those 5 years? It looks like win the Appeal we get our own new ground, lose and we become tenants at the UWE. If NH had taken the £1.5m offered surely we could have at least been joint owners? Although doing it that way NH doesn't get his money back? Nope you've lost me there Topper. How does any of that help UWE fill a 15,000 seat stadium? I've scratched my head but can't make the connection, you'll have to help me out & explain it a bit more clearly ..... |
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Aug 1, 2015 19:45:26 GMT
If only they'd had that form last season they wouldn't be burdened by the Europa League now.
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Aug 1, 2015 19:34:02 GMT
Whatever UWE's cost of building a 15000 seater could be put it together with say the £10million Rovers could get for the Mem site and surely the 21700 stadium becomes a viability . I think I can remember reading somewhere that there were other interested parties in buying the Mem but Sainsburys were their preferred choice obviously the highest bidder, I wonder if the other parties could still be interested albeit for a lower price and put this towards the UWE 's interest in building the stadium surely they'll get £20 million for the land off another supermarket that'll be 50% of the stadium cost and UWE can find the other half. Why would they dilute ownership? I think that if this is true it's a question of either Higgs finds £30m that he forgot about in his sock drawer and we go ahead with Plan A, or UWE do their own thing and we can discuss rental for the football pitch 23 times a year. With athletics the place will look super in orange when a Sainsbury's sponsored event takes place. Why indeed. Let UWE build the stadium, we can remain at the Mem for the next 5 years & then negotiate with the owners of a stadium that is sat unused for 365 days a year making no money. |
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Aug 1, 2015 19:32:31 GMT
Whatever UWE's cost of building a 15000 seater could be put it together with say the £10million Rovers could get for the Mem site and surely the 21700 stadium becomes a viability . I think I can remember reading somewhere that there were other interested parties in buying the Mem but Sainsburys were their preferred choice obviously the highest bidder, I wonder if the other parties could still be interested albeit for a lower price and put this towards the UWE 's interest in building the stadium surely they'll get £20 million for the land off another supermarket that'll be 50% of the stadium cost and UWE can find the other half. You could ask the question of who are the people that have been having extensive viewings of the Mem ..... |
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Jul 31, 2015 12:01:57 GMT
Exactly why sign a contract that doesn't even take you to the next transfer window? Think if I was Billy I'd have to be absolutely desperate to sign that contract. And if he's absolutely desperate he probably isn't worth signing. If he wants a chance at League football this season, he'll sign the contract before next weekend, assuming he doesn't get a better offer. Sort of makes my point doesn't it? He only signs because he has no other offers and we sign a player no-one else wants. Now if Ward, Buckle or McGhee had signed players who couldn't get a contract anywhere else we'd all have been rejoicing wouldn't have we? |
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Jul 31, 2015 10:33:48 GMT
If that's the case, the pay etc can not be that good and/or he is looking around. DC wants players keen to play for the club so delaying signing speaks volumes. But what do we know?
I can't imagine there are too many players out there who would be itching to commit to a three month deal when there might be a year's contract elsewhere. If the lad breaks down injured again he's got no security at all with a short-term deal. Exactly why sign a contract that doesn't even take you to the next transfer window? Think if I was Billy I'd have to be absolutely desperate to sign that contract. And if he's absolutely desperate he probably isn't worth signing. |
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Jul 31, 2015 9:46:55 GMT
Still disagree though Irish regarding the difference between how players are valued. In football generally players are valued in terms of £s, some are over valued Sterling some are more realistically valued Delph, but they have an agreed value between both parties with each party trying to maximise their return on the deal. In American rather than valuing players in $s they have just valued them in terms of other players, which you see quite openly with draft trades, with both parties trying to maximise their return on the deal. Ultimately both models get to the same place ie in football you get the cash and buy new players.
I suspect the real difference is that in the American sports there is no international market so valuing players in terms of other players is logical & practical. In football because it's an international market that isn't practical, can you imagine Chelsea doing a deal with Santos saying we'll give you Bertrand, an elderly John Terry & Victor Moses for your new Brazilian superstar? Never going to happen not least as the players won't accept being traded across continents. Once the MLS develops and looks for players who aren't about to retire do you think they will follow the American corporate sports philosophy or the football philosophy on transferring players?
I'd also query how many players are under contract at the top US football or baseball teams that never sniff first team action? I bet they are just as happy taking the dollars rather than being employed by a minor league team as some squad player at Man City
At least we all agree that good or bad we are stuck with the model we have at least until the TV companies stop funding it.
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Jul 30, 2015 19:03:58 GMT
Can't agree that American sport is a good example on 3 counts:
1. Fans would be no more happy that are 'monetarised' sport ended up diverting money from the players to the clubs and by default the owners than the current structure where the players get most of the money;
2. Would we want a system whereby players have litle choice over who they play for, you know the situation your the top player at college from one of the southern states looking forward to playing somewhere warm and Green Bay have a crap season ....;
3. American sport is a closed shop they is no interest in the likes of Bristol Rovers ... goodnight irene.
But a problem does exist in football and it will get worse for 2 reasons:
1. Positive discrimination the FA now seeking to force clubs to include more English or homegrown players (like say a Fabregas) into squads so the value of the better homegrown players will increase because clubs have to have them regrdless of whether they really want them, so they buy the best of the rest just to make up the numbers (if you need to understand how positive discrimination fails look at South Africa where companies have to employ x number of black people to qualify for government contracts, the black people paid to make up those numbers doing nothing think it's great system);
2. Clubs when not buying the best of the rest of 'homegrown' players will buy abroad because they can get players that have already played in the top league in their country, perhaps even getting a few caps, thus seem less of a risk (perhaps understandably). Of course is it just the Man City's, Arsenal's or Chelsea's doing this? Well I don't really see many rumours linking Swansea or Southampton to buying 'homegrown' players to replace their depleted ranks.
In short we're pretty stuck with the system we got & certainly becoming more Americanised (I wonder where the Premier League marketing model come from?) won't improve things for the England national team.
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Jul 30, 2015 14:54:30 GMT
I thought your company was paying for a testimonial tour of England this September and October for you? That comes under customer relations  Try to remember to bring the customers home with you this time |
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Jul 30, 2015 13:24:10 GMT
cheapskate ....this is a man Kitey who has served this club for 30 years at least buy the Testimonial brochure at £3 Just to go off track slightly, I have never really quite understood why any footballers get a testimonial these days. I think Kitey has been a great clubman (The Ashton years aside), but I would imagine that during his career , he has probably earned comfortably above the average wage. When I retire/get sacked/die at my desk from electrical wholesaling, which I have worked in all my life, I won't be getting any more than the pension that I saved for, and I expect that will be the same for most of us.
Anyway, I don't begrudge him a penny of it, I just think it's a slightly odd state of affairs.
(I won't be there btw, I will be having a thrilling weekend stocktaking in the Isle of Wight, if anyone has a penchant for counting electrical things, feel free to contact me)
I thought your company was paying for a testimonial tour of England this September and October for you? |
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Jul 29, 2015 19:16:10 GMT
and a lot of people seem to forget that we seem to have some decent youngsters coming through. DC watches them in training everyday, and I'm sure he's hoping to give some of them a run out at some point. Yes Lucas, Preston and Greenslade are now ready for first team action. I rate them all. Prefer them in the squad than unknown loanees. Ah the famous new 'additions' |
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