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Post by chelt_gas on Aug 17, 2021 9:30:28 GMT
So I'm supposed to hate Brian Clough now am I? Don't get your point CPB? I don't think anyone is asking you to 'hate' Bas. Just to consider that some language and attitudes that were "OK" in the 70/80's, are not acceptable now. I am not a snowflake. Brian Clough accepted his attitude towards Fashanu was wrong later in life. Clough was an exceptional manager and leader.
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Post by alftupper on Aug 17, 2021 13:56:02 GMT
Justin Fashanua ,he " came out" over 20 years ago, but seemingly the demons took over his life and unfortunately then took his own life, different era maybe, but it takes ( I would imagine) an awful lot of soul searching to take that step He had an arrest warrant out on him, for three cases of sexual assault on a 17 year old boy. That may have influenced his thinking, as much as his sexual orientation.
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Post by lostinspace on Aug 17, 2021 14:12:00 GMT
Justin Fashanua ,he " came out" over 20 years ago, but seemingly the demons took over his life and unfortunately then took his own life, different era maybe, but it takes ( I would imagine) an awful lot of soul searching to take that step He had an arrest warrant out on him, for three cases of sexual assault on a 17 year old boy. That may have influenced his thinking, as much as his sexual orientation. Wasn't aware of that, so,as you indicate, may be one of the reasons for his thinking process at that time,
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 17, 2021 16:33:32 GMT
only 9 years ago.!!!... bit like the cricketer a few weeks ago, horse boulting and stable door come to mind,,,, not a good thing but!! This should worry a few , certainly some that I know. I don’t think it’s a good thing to be digging through online content unless it’s serious , such as paedophilic or extreme provocation of a racist nature. We have all written silly stuff but not to encourage others to act in a manner to break the law.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Aug 17, 2021 21:21:38 GMT
I think it's unfair to drag something up from years ago and use it against an individual. If you take minor driving offences, they are spent after a short period of time. The same should apply, especially as what is being touted as a misdemeanor is not a criminal offence. If it was a criminal offence, the offender would be offered some protection after a period of time elapse if no further offence occurred. All this is projected without taking notice of context, immaturity, stances different with social media awareness and common sense. It's all a bit dark when freedoms of speech are challenged... especially when there's nothing of consequence with any party involved. The issue is that the remarks are still in existence and if you upset someone or someone is looking at you and your background, like another club, they will dig deep. Everyone, famous or not, should occasionally look back over their social media accounts and if, hopefully, their views have matured and become more sensible, delete anything that is offensive or could be misinterpreted. Its not like the old days where people would ring around to find out about a players reputation or views. Its all there on the record. If you don't believe in what you wrote years ago then delete it. Otherwise it stands as a record of your thoughts and ideas. And please don't start on about being woke. If they were racist, homophobic, anti-Semitic, etc. then they will probably be so now. No excuse, get rid! I get what you're saying.....but, meh!
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Post by brizzleblue52 on Aug 18, 2021 12:18:38 GMT
Who is digging through peoples posts form all those years ago? And do they get paid for it? Do they work for the British Bulls**t Company?
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Post by baselswh on Aug 18, 2021 14:05:12 GMT
I think it's unfair to drag something up from years ago and use it against an individual. If you take minor driving offences, they are spent after a short period of time. The same should apply, especially as what is being touted as a misdemeanor is not a criminal offence. If it was a criminal offence, the offender would be offered some protection after a period of time elapse if no further offence occurred. All this is projected without taking notice of context, immaturity, stances different with social media awareness and common sense. It's all a bit dark when freedoms of speech are challenged... especially when there's nothing of consequence with any party involved. The issue is that the remarks are still in existence and if you upset someone or someone is looking at you and your background, like another club, they will dig deep. Everyone, famous or not, should occasionally look back over their social media accounts and if, hopefully, their views have matured and become more sensible, delete anything that is offensive or could be misinterpreted. Its not like the old days where people would ring around to find out about a players reputation or views. Its all there on the record. If you don't believe in what you wrote years ago then delete it. Otherwise it stands as a record of your thoughts and ideas. And please don't start on about being woke. If they were racist, homophobic, anti-Semitic, etc. then they will probably be so now. No excuse, get rid! Chesh,are you saying Posh should "get rid" of JCH?
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Post by The Concept on Aug 18, 2021 17:25:27 GMT
The issue is that the remarks are still in existence and if you upset someone or someone is looking at you and your background, like another club, they will dig deep. Everyone, famous or not, should occasionally look back over their social media accounts and if, hopefully, their views have matured and become more sensible, delete anything that is offensive or could be misinterpreted. Its not like the old days where people would ring around to find out about a players reputation or views. Its all there on the record. If you don't believe in what you wrote years ago then delete it. Otherwise it stands as a record of your thoughts and ideas. And please don't start on about being woke. If they were racist, homophobic, anti-Semitic, etc. then they will probably be so now. No excuse, get rid! Chesh,are you saying Posh should "get rid" of JCH? Pretty clear to me he's saying get rid of old posts/comments made years ago. Delete what you've written previously, if it may cause offence, and your opinion on it has changed.
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Post by baselswh on Aug 18, 2021 18:39:33 GMT
Chesh,are you saying Posh should "get rid" of JCH? Pretty clear to me he's saying get rid of old posts/comments made years ago. Delete what you've written previously, if it may cause offence, and your opinion on it has changed. Yes,on re-reading it is clear Chesh is referring to old writings. Apoligies
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Post by Cheshiregas on Aug 19, 2021 11:01:20 GMT
The issue is that the remarks are still in existence and if you upset someone or someone is looking at you and your background, like another club, they will dig deep. Everyone, famous or not, should occasionally look back over their social media accounts and if, hopefully, their views have matured and become more sensible, delete anything that is offensive or could be misinterpreted. Its not like the old days where people would ring around to find out about a players reputation or views. Its all there on the record. If you don't believe in what you wrote years ago then delete it. Otherwise it stands as a record of your thoughts and ideas. And please don't start on about being woke. If they were racist, homophobic, anti-Semitic, etc. then they will probably be so now. No excuse, get rid! Chesh, are you saying Posh should "get rid" of JCH? Bas, reading it back it does seem like that! I didn't mean that! No, as Concept says, I meant that people should be aware in this age of social media that things written in the past may come back to haunt you so you should go back and have an honest look at anything you may have written. If it doesn't match your viewpoint today and is homophobic, racist or whatever then get rid of it. However if someone is still homophobic, racist etc then stand by your views and take the consequences,
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