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Post by c4h10 on Aug 1, 2021 11:57:22 GMT
“I've learnt a lot about London's social and economic history from there” Would you like to put up a link to something like that on their website. I am genuinely interested to see that for myself. 🙂 I heard the Millwall West Ham acrimony goes back to a Dockers strike that wasn’t supported. Here's a link to Derelict London which is one of the website's referenced in discussion. Not everybody's cup of tea, but I'm of an age to be fascinated by old, decrepit things. From what I've read, the acrimony actually pre-dates the Dockers' strike. The teams were originally formed in opposing dockyards, on either side of the Thames, the dockyards were in competition with each other for the same business, and there was regularly violence on and off the field when they played each other in the amateur league. The Dockers' strike scenario intensified the bad blood between them, and is the story most often referenced to explain the rivalry. Hi!
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Post by Angas on Aug 1, 2021 12:13:40 GMT
It's probably fair to assume Wael thought that case would have been done and dusted at the scheduled time. Two months ahead of the new season. Any plan he might have had in mind back in February was scuppered by its suspension to close on christmas.
I think the majority of new signings were made after 7th June? As was the appointment of Col Gibson to the board. Could be coincidence, or could indicate that the club were thinking 'wait til the court case is decided' before committing to go with Joey's choices. If that was the plan, it didn't work too well.
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Post by chelt_gas on Aug 1, 2021 12:42:08 GMT
It's probably fair to assume Wael thought that case would have been done and dusted at the scheduled time. Two months ahead of the new season. Any plan he might have had in mind back in February was scuppered by its suspension to close on christmas. I think the majority of new signings were made after 7th June? As was the appointment of Col Gibson to the board. Could be coincidence, or could indicate that the club were thinking 'wait til the court case is decided' before committing to go with Joey's choices. If that was the plan, it didn't work too well. The club will need a contingency or succession plan ready for implementation if B***** is unavailable following the court case(s). I wonder if B***** will have input in this contingency plan.
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Post by Bath Gas on Aug 1, 2021 12:54:02 GMT
It's probably fair to assume Wael thought that case would have been done and dusted at the scheduled time. Two months ahead of the new season. Any plan he might have had in mind back in February was scuppered by its suspension to close on christmas. I think the majority of new signings were made after 7th June? As was the appointment of Col Gibson to the board. Could be coincidence, or could indicate that the club were thinking 'wait til the court case is decided' before committing to go with Joey's choices. If that was the plan, it didn't work too well. The club will need a contingency or succession plan ready for implementation if B***** is unavailable following the court case(s). I wonder if B***** will have input in this contingency plan. I think that might depend on how the great re-set goes when the new season is underway?
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Post by brizzleblue52 on Aug 1, 2021 13:06:20 GMT
Well there you have it, when asked people vote 2 to 1 in favour of getting him away from the club. We aren't divided Wael, we don't want him here. Basel reply. Really. 🙂 Only on this board. which does not represent the entire support of the club. The problem with forums it tends to be middle to older age supporters where as social media tend to be younger. And at the end of the day its down to Wael, after all it is his club, we are supporters (who go to games, or followers ; those that dont go to games. When it comes to decisions over personnel it is down to Wael, not us.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2021 13:15:44 GMT
The club will need a contingency or succession plan ready for implementation if B***** is unavailable following the court case(s). I wonder if B***** will have input in this contingency plan. I think that might depend on how the great re-set goes when the new season is underway? Are you suggesting that Wael won't be true to his word if we win a few games and B***** is found guilty? Apologies if I have misread your words. "Firstly, I think it is really important to confirm that as a club we stand firmly against any form of violence. Any individual that is found guilty of any such offences will be dismissed immediately. "
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Post by baselswh on Aug 1, 2021 13:17:05 GMT
Only on this board. which does not represent the entire support of the club. The problem with forums it tends to be middle to older age supporters where as social media tend to be younger. And at the end of the day its down to Wael, after all it is his club, we are supporters (who go to games, or followers ; those that dont go to games. When it comes to decisions over personnel it is down to Wael, not us. Agreed Brizzleblue52. This poll is about reliable as a poll on Scottish independence, carried out by the SNP at a Nicola Sturgeon dinner party.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2021 13:20:33 GMT
Talking of support, any idea what the attendance was yesterday?
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Post by brizzleblue52 on Aug 1, 2021 13:26:13 GMT
Talking of support, any idea what the attendance was yesterday? somebody told me about 2,000
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2021 13:32:55 GMT
Talking of support, any idea what the attendance was yesterday? somebody told me about 2,000 Thanks Brizz, that's poor but I guess people are still covid wary.
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Post by Bath Gas on Aug 1, 2021 13:56:46 GMT
I think that might depend on how the great re-set goes when the new season is underway? Are you suggesting that Wael won't be true to his word if we win a few games and B***** is found guilty? Apologies if I have misread your words. "Firstly, I think it is really important to confirm that as a club we stand firmly against any form of violence. Any individual that is found guilty of any such offences will be dismissed immediately. " No, apologies if my post was a bit confusing. I meant that if things are going well on the pitch, JB may be asked to contribute his thoughts to the contingency plan, prior to his next Court appearance. I can't imagine any way in which Wael could not be true to his word - it seems like a very clear stance to take.
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Post by eppinggas on Aug 1, 2021 15:55:29 GMT
Only on this board. which does not represent the entire support of the club. The problem with forums it tends to be middle to older age supporters where as social media tend to be younger. And at the end of the day its down to Wael, after all it is his club, we are supporters (who go to games, or followers ; those that dont go to games. When it comes to decisions over personnel it is down to Wael, not us. And what do you estimate the average age of a supporter on the Blackthorn Terrace to be? I would suggest that middle to older age supporters probably covers it. So on that basis, it's probably not a bad reflection of the overall support. Younger people may prefer other social media platforms, but I don't think they are in the majority. Agree with your last sentence though. Sadly it's true. Wael ultimately makes the decisions. And makes mistake after mistake. He needs better people around him.
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Post by warehamgas on Aug 1, 2021 16:02:08 GMT
Only on this board. which does not represent the entire support of the club. The problem with forums it tends to be middle to older age supporters where as social media tend to be younger. And at the end of the day its down to Wael, after all it is his club, we are supporters (who go to games, or followers ; those that dont go to games. When it comes to decisions over personnel it is down to Wael, not us. I think something went wrong with the quoting. I think I’m replying to brizzle! Apologies if not. I agree with you regarding the forum and social media age profile and it is down to WAQ, completely. And I’d suggest that the vast majority of supporters who will be on neither social media or forums will be looking to WAQ for some action were JB to be found guilty. I think they will be quite disgusted that a manager of BRFC has found themselves in this position. That doesn’t mean it will translate into not going to matches necessarily but I can’t imagine they will be happy if there is no action. As in many cases I have no proof of that, only a gut feeling. It will not be forgotten irrespective of where we are in the league. UTG!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2021 16:19:15 GMT
What happens if B***** is found guilty but appeals the decision?
Here's what Wael said,
So, instant dismissal on being found guilty.
But there are routes to appeal decisions passed down from magistrates courts.
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Post by Bath Gas on Aug 1, 2021 16:48:37 GMT
What happens if B***** is found guilty but appeals the decision? Here's what Wael said, So, instant dismissal on being found guilty. But there are routes to appeal decisions passed down from magistrates courts. Interesting question. If that were to happen, I would guess they may await the final decision - not saying that would necessarily be the correct thing to do. I once gave evidence in Crown Court for somebody who was appealing a guilty verdict from the Magistrates' Court - his appeal was successful, and rightly so.
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Post by baselswh on Aug 1, 2021 17:41:50 GMT
Agreed Brizzleblue52. This poll is about reliable as a poll on Scottish independence, carried out by the SNP at a Nicola Sturgeon dinner party. Getting confusing who said what,but here's my response and agreement with BB52, from a few posts up from here. Edit.... It did'nt show BB52s post. Ha!🤪
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Post by warehamgas on Aug 1, 2021 17:48:49 GMT
What happens if B***** is found guilty but appeals the decision? Here's what Wael said, So, instant dismissal on being found guilty. But there are routes to appeal decisions passed down from magistrates courts. Well, who knows. I’d suggest JB will go if found guilty, as per WAQ’s open letter. But I’m not sure that WAQ would act that way if he knew JB would appeal a guilty verdict. An appeal would certainly muddy the waters and prolong the whole circus, possibly to sometime next year. And if I thought it was a mess now I guess it would be nothing compared to a guilty verdict but an appeal by JB. The club would then be faced by JB acting as manager perhaps, having been found guilty, but with an appeal pending. Blimey, even worse than it is now. UTG!
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 1, 2021 18:26:04 GMT
What happens if B***** is found guilty but appeals the decision? Here's what Wael said, So, instant dismissal on being found guilty. But there are routes to appeal decisions passed down from magistrates courts. Well, who knows. I’d suggest JB will go if found guilty, as per WAQ’s open letter. But I’m not sure that WAQ would act that way if he knew JB would appeal a guilty verdict. An appeal would certainly muddy the waters and prolong the whole circus, possibly to sometime next year. And if I thought it was a mess now I guess it would be nothing compared to a guilty verdict but an appeal by JB. The club would then be faced by JB acting as manager perhaps, having been found guilty, but with an appeal pending. Blimey, even worse than it is now. UTG! Assuming JB's granted leave to appeal the verdict(s) then it probably won't be heard until next summer, by then JB will have either got us promoted or, if not, Wael will have a convenient way of dismissing JB w/o paying him compensation if he has failed to get us up at the first attempt and is appeal(s) fail. The tricky one will be if he gets us promoted and then loses the appeal in the latest case as, given Wael's comments if he then sticks to his word, he will have to dismiss him. As far as JB assisting in choosing his replacement, why would he want to get involved in choosing his replacement once he's been dismissed? If he does leave hopefully it's next summer, not this winter.
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Post by TaiwanGas on Aug 2, 2021 2:26:15 GMT
So, As a club we stand firmly against any form of violence, and will dismiss immediately if found guilty, yet employ with a repeating history of guilty violence, I just don't get it!.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Aug 2, 2021 9:39:48 GMT
So, As a club we stand firmly against any form of violence, and will dismiss immediately if found guilty, yet employ with a repeating history of guilty violence, I just don't get it!. I can only think Wael's view was that everyone deserves a second (or in this case 5th or 6th) chance and to reform. Some people grasp the chance to reform, in this case I think the leopard hasn't changed its spots.....and can only end badly.
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