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Post by lostinspace on Jul 21, 2021 19:10:30 GMT
Good crowd in and the boring Michael Vaughan doing his uttering, some really good players with excellent shot selection and as the men ,some rather dubious shots too
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Post by absent on Jul 21, 2021 21:59:43 GMT
The graphics on screen may take some getting used to. For all the tinkering it's still just T20 cricket, so I'm not sure this is going to be the smash hit they're hoping for
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 22, 2021 9:01:19 GMT
The graphics on screen may take some getting used to. For all the tinkering it's still just T20 cricket, so I'm not sure this is going to be the smash hit they're hoping for I agree about the graphics. I thought they were awful. It's obviously trying to appeal to the Yoof of today. Personally, I'm not sold on the format.
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Post by jackthegas on Jul 22, 2021 9:03:13 GMT
The hundred is great for the women's game in my opinion. The extra money for players outside of the England set up (all be it rather modest at the moment), should help drive up standards, the extra exposure should help increase interest and ultimately participation. Not sure how many tickets were hand-outs but lovely to see 10k people in for a women's domestic game in this country. Yesterday's game was alright. Both sides can do better in the field. The Originals (I think!) would have won if they had held on to a couple of catches. The cameo by Maddy Villiers, the stumping by Eleanor Threlkeld and just Sophie Ecklestone in general were highlights.
By contrast, the men's version is an abomination for well documented reasons. I just disagree that you make cricket more accessible by reducing the number of teams. No chance anyone from the South West is going to follow the Welsh Fire. I don't think I will watch it.
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Jul 22, 2021 15:19:14 GMT
The hundred is great for the women's game in my opinion. The extra money for players outside of the England set up (all be it rather modest at the moment), should help drive up standards, the extra exposure should help increase interest and ultimately participation. Not sure how many tickets were hand-outs but lovely to see 10k people in for a women's domestic game in this country. Yesterday's game was alright. Both sides can do better in the field. The Originals (I think!) would have won if they had held on to a couple of catches. The cameo by Maddy Villiers, the stumping by Eleanor Threlkeld and just Sophie Ecklestone in general were highlights. By contrast, the men's version is an abomination for well documented reasons. I just disagree that you make cricket more accessible by reducing the number of teams. No chance anyone from the South West is going to follow the Welsh Fire. I don't think I will watch it. i don’t have to type now what I was going to say, you said it all. possibly good for raising profile of women’s game. Abysmal for established men’s game. appeal to youth of today with ZX81 graphics? And southwest hotbed of cricket not represented, so why should we bother. of course viewing figures not so bad at moment as curious take a look. Watch them drop off to GBNEWS levels and The Hundred canned before a third season.
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Post by warehamgas on Jul 23, 2021 13:32:49 GMT
I’m against the 100 but the ECB were clever to kick off at the Oval. They always get great crowds there, whoever plays. It has to be a success or the ECB will be b*******. They’ve spent almost £70m on the competition, have depleted all their reserves, disenfranchised all cricket fans not in test playing cities, decided 50 overs cricket is not important despite being World Champions in that format, lessened the importance of T20 cricket in this country and almost destroyed any red ball cricket and from that any chance of developing players to play the longer format. For what, a form of cricket that no one else plays, yet. Unfortunately they are playing a big price as are traditional cricket fans from all over the country for the decision in 2005 to take cricket away from terrestrial TV and sell out to Sky. The ECB recognised this and the 100 was all about a new format which could be put on terrestrial TV. Sky have got T20 for ever it seems and the ECB knew they had to do something to get cricket back as a popular sport and that means the BBC. The rest of the cricket formats are paying a big price for that to happen. The incompetence of the ECB over a long period is truly breathtaking.
And as has been said, who do us Somerset and Gloucestershire fans support? Genuinely no idea, certainly not Welsh Fire for me, refuse to support the Rose Bowl franchise out of principle even though two Somerset players are in the squad. More likely to be Birmingham Phoenix because of Tom Abell and Will Smeed or Manchester Oiginals because of Lammonby and Buttler. But not really. Had the ECB done drafting a different way so that our players were in Welsh Fire then perhaps. But again unlikely. The best two teams overall in the last 3 years have been Essex and Somerset and both treated abysmally by the ECB. The ECB should have had a complete reschedule of when competitions are played. What about the T20 running alongside the 100 in August so that the 50 over could remain a first class competition with the best players as warranted being the current World Champions. Play a full scale County Championship from April to July inclusive and pick up again in September. Obviously no one is saying this but when you look at the squads you realise that what was planned and what is occurring are two different things. Few top class Indians, Australians or even overseas players generally. Squads have had to be supplemented by younger, inexperienced players which was never the intention just an unintended consequence of Covid. Some of the stars of the 100 could be players who’ve never played a first class red ball match, never played a 50 over match and played very few T 20 matches. I’d say that was crazy but perhaps half the crowd last night doesn’t even know Somerset or Gloucestershire have cricket teams and so don’t acre so long as they have a good time.
I almost hope that it fails as a competition but I know that would be suicidal for English cricket so I grudgingly hope it’s a success, just about.
As to the 100 I’ve seen a bit of it, the graphics will take getting used to but I quite liked them, once you get used to it, it tells you what you need to know. Yes it is great for the women’s game but so was the Kia Super League which has been lost to enable this to take place. Sometimes it helps t9 appreciate the the value of what you’ve got not just its worth. Hey ho!
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Post by tenniscourtgas on Jul 23, 2021 15:43:29 GMT
As the first couple of Hundred matches were on BBC, I thought I would give it a chance, despite my widespread misgivings. Like you Wareham, I don’t want it to be a financial disaster for the game, but don’t think I will be watching much of it. The opening segment did an OK summary of the difference between the new tournament and traditional cricket, featuring people I had never heard of, apart from Jimmy Anderson, who seemed to be given the role mainly based on their “banter” talents, plus the number of times they could fit ‘you guys” into a sentence. Some of the players were featured were give three or four minutes interviews, which mainly centred on who in the team had the best dance moves, or wardrobes,. The commentary teams were mercifully lacking in Radio 1 DJs or the likes, and included Tuffers, Vaughan, and Isa Guha, who brought some cricketing nous the match. Don’t know about anyone else, I am instantly put off by the stupid American/Australian, IPL team names, but then, as we were told at the Bristol County Ground, at a meeting a couple of season ago, after play, The Hundred wasn’t devised for the likes of me, or other old fogies, but to attract young age groups, in order to bring about a new generation of cricket fans. Will Brown, at that stage, was trying to convince those of us at the meeting, that one of these franchises would almost certainly be based in Bristol, which obviously never came to pass, making it impossible for many people to have an affiliation with Welsh Fire, or anybody else, even if they contained any Gloucestershire players, now of course, not available for the Royal London Knock out Cup, which starts this weekend. There were the usual gimmicks, such as firework displays often seen at T20, but thankfully the irritating hunting horn was missing, and it was great to see so many kids and families in a cricket ground, and the crowd actually seemed to be watching the match, no groups of five or six blokes with pints, with their back to the game, which was often a feature of matches in the T20 at Bristol. No idea how much the tickets cost, but The Oval was well populated, especially for the men’s match. The Manchester team openers emerged onto the pitch, with a black kit, and matching black Hundred helmets, which made them look like more like Security guards moving towards the Bank Safety deposits, or even the infamous SPG snatch squads of the 1980s, who used to target demonstrators! After some understandable nerves, the woman’s match settled down, and was watchable and greatly enjoyed by the spectators, with the pundits obviously being primed to emphasise the great atmosphere as often as possible. I didn’t watch all the game, but did watch more of the men’s match last night, but was wondering just why they couldn’t just have left the tournament as a T20 competition, as there didn’t seem to be that many differences, apart from the 5 or 10 ball idea obviously. There were useful interventions to explain terms such as yorkers and death bowling, plus which way a leg break turned, for the uninitiated. Still, even though I have Sky, I won’t be going out of my way to watch the matches particularly, I am more concerned with who will be playing in the Gloucestershire matches in the One Day competition, might be interesting to see some of the younger players feature, One of the matches is against Essex, and I would like to have the opportunity to see Alastair Cook play one more time, but who knows if these fixtures will be glorified Second 11 matches.
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Post by warehamgas on Jul 23, 2021 22:42:25 GMT
For the sake of balance I watched most of the Birmingham v London Spirit. It was a great match, with both teams in with a shout up to the last over, sorry, set of 5. The cricket was very good, bowling and batting and fielding. The crowd loved it and there were lots of families there which has to be good. As a cricket spectacle I enjoyed it, competitive and played in good spirit with a good finish.
From the first few matches it looks like: Captains will need to watch the time for when the last set of 5 needs to start. 150 runs over the 100 balls will be a competitive total. (Which means that anything near to 180 is almost match winning and 190 fantastic) This may change. So far bowlers in the first innings have managed to limit teams batting first from scoring as highly as appears to happen in the T20 during the last 15 balls. I thought teams would get well over 150 but the bowlers have all bowled well at the death. Home teams may well have the advantage because the crowds are helping their team.
One complaint, although it’s more an observation. One of the commentators was almost wetting themselves and going OTT about Benjamin (Birmingham) who did a Dilshan/Buttler scoop over the keeper for a 6 and another similar shot. This guy had he known his cricket would have known that Tom Lammonby on Sunday in the Som v Gloucestershire match had scored a far better score of 90 with 5 similar shots made in a much cleaner way. So I hope we’re not going to have the situation where nothing good in cricket ever happened before the 100. A bit like the Premier League where nowadays pundits give the impression football started in 1992. Btw I think it was Kevin Pietersen who was the commentator, what’s he ever done?
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Post by lostinspace on Jul 24, 2021 15:00:00 GMT
Watching the current Saturday game, ,with the boring Michael Vaughan again the lead commentator with Phil Tuffnell almost as bad, bemoaning the fact that the Southern brave reached only 124, judge it on the second teams effort, Sooo annoying
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Post by irishrover on Jul 26, 2021 23:27:48 GMT
I am not a fan of this and I don't think I'm going to be.
I agree with the Latvian - for all the talk about simplifying cricket there are a lot of garish graphics flying around and a bewildering amout of numbers whizzing on the screen. I can't see how it's simpler. I find the desperation of the commentators to avoid actual cricketing terminology quite funny. It's like they're sitting in an electric chair that the producer can fire a shock through whenever they're about to use forbidden words like 'Overs'. I've enjoyed Rob Key - he seems to at least have a slightly more cynical tone. The rest of them might have well have come from the Lego Movie (google it if you don't know what I mean).
I watched the women's match from Old Trafford yesterday and was baffled that they'd left the boundaries out. It was said that apparently the boundaries can't be moved in for double headers - I think this is drivel. I watched 2 double headers (men's and women's T20 on the same day) at OT two years ago and they changed the boundary sizes in the break between games and didn't seem like a massively complicated job. Made the game unneccesairly one-dimensional - not the best way to sell the game. In general though I agree this is a much bigger deal for the women's game and I've been enjoying that element more than the men's on the whole. To be honest I can relate women's T20 much closer to the kind of T20 that I play at club level. It's a recognisable game in terms of the balance between bat and ball, the scoring, the tactics etc. I find men's T20 has become so much about power that I can't really relate it to the game I play. If played on a proper sized ground women's T20 has the potential to bring a wider range of skills into play.
Generally I have found the games I've seen highly skilled but de-contextualised and a bit lacking in rhythm which I find with franchise T20 cricket generally but even more so with this so far. The one upside is that they haven't mastered the format yet so there's a bit of variation in tactics. IPL is tedious because everyone does exactly the same thing in any given situation so it's extremely formulaic. At least changing the format forces them out of their comfort zone in that respect. Other than that - more heat than light for me. Looking forwward to the Test Matches starting and a few 50 Over Lancs games at OT so I can go back to ignorning the thing. #VictorMeldrew
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Post by eppinggas on Jul 29, 2021 9:00:42 GMT
I am not qualified enough to add comment to the well written comments above. I only have one thing to say. Any sport that makes up nicknames that have no base in local history or tradition are total nonsense and I wouldn't watch them on principle. Birmingham "Phoenix", Trent "Rockets", Southern "Brave". WTF. As Cockney Nan was want to say "What a load of old sh*t". See also Bristol "Bears".
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Post by warehamgas on Jul 29, 2021 10:43:31 GMT
I am not qualified enough to add comment to the well written comments above. I only have one thing to say. Any sport that makes up nicknames that have no base in local history or tradition are total nonsense and I wouldn't watch them on principle. Birmingham "Phoenix", Trent "Rockets", Southern "Brave". WTF. As Cockney Nan was want to say "What a load of old sh*t". See also Bristol "Bears". You’re absolutely right epping. Which is why Somerset are one of the very few whose name is .....Somerset. Im not suggesting you listen to the Hundred but if you did (I’ve watched a few because I am a cricket nut) you would be amazed at the hyperbole in commentary. Listening to those, even BBC commentators who are usually more measured, you have thought no one had ever player a 20/20 game before. It makes me, a traditionalist, wonder what the **** they’re on about. As you say, “what a load of old ****”. Still it’s a holiday from the other “....load of ****”, Mr. JB.
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 30, 2021 6:13:01 GMT
I am not impressed with The Hundred. As stated, the commentators are trying to make it out as something new/different/special when in reality it is just a re-jigged 20/20 game. The graphics on the screen are truly appalling. Long bar on the left and right take up so much of the screen and all they tell you are how many runs have been scored from so many balls. The colours of the graphics are also terrible. It's like going back to the early days of teletext. The graphics seem to take up one third of the viewing area ! Whenever a six is hit, the flashing up of "oh yeah" is just cringeworthy. I watched the end of the innings of the team batting first last night. Every ball was aimed just inside the popping crease on the offside. The batsmen could only play shots onto the offside, which was packed with fielders. It was actually boring to watch. Batsmen being clean balled or LBW were just not in the equation. The bowlers don't need to develop any skills like getting the ball to move either in the air or off the seam. No need to develop the yorker. In many ways this is the same as 20/20, but because The Hundred is shorter it appears as though getting batsmen out is now pretty much down the list of priorities for the bowlers. This will be the standard tactic for The Hundred. Pack the offside with fielders, bowl wide and take leg-side shots out of the game. The Hundred is not something I will follow unfortunately. It's just not cricket.
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Post by alftupper on Jul 30, 2021 7:05:51 GMT
Horses for courses. I really enjoy it. There are a few minor tweaks that I would make though.
1. Both teams to play in white. 2. Games to last five days. 3. Both teams to bat twice. 4. 90 overs to be bowled in a day. 5. Australia not allowed to win. 6. That`ll do.
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Post by lostinspace on Jul 30, 2021 8:08:39 GMT
Horses for courses. I really enjoy it. There are a few minor tweaks that I would make though. 1. Both teams to play in white. 2. Games to last five days. 3. Both teams to bat twice. 4. 90 overs to be bowled in a day. 5. Australia not allowed to win. 6. That`ll do. Do they have to play in the rain ,and are soggy lettuce sarnies compulsory?
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 30, 2021 9:04:39 GMT
Horses for courses. I really enjoy it. There are a few minor tweaks that I would make though. 1. Both teams to play in white. 2. Games to last five days. 3. Both teams to bat twice. 4. 90 overs to be bowled in a day. 5. Australia not allowed to win. 6. That`ll do. Do they have to play in the rain ,and are soggy lettuce sarnies compulsory? Yes, they should play in the rain, or are you a weatherphobic eh?
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Post by warehamgas on Jul 30, 2021 9:21:26 GMT
Horses for courses. I really enjoy it. There are a few minor tweaks that I would make though. 1. Both teams to play in white. 2. Games to last five days. 3. Both teams to bat twice. 4. 90 overs to be bowled in a day. 5. Australia not allowed to win. 6. That`ll do. Very good. But you missed out No.7 the old professionals having a fag now and again and telling young kids to bu**** off when approached for an autograph.
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Post by lostinspace on Jul 30, 2021 9:33:26 GMT
Do they have to play in the rain ,and are soggy lettuce sarnies compulsory? Yes, they should play in the rain, or are you a weatherphobic eh? Only on wet days and funerals 💨⚰️
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Post by alftupper on Jul 30, 2021 10:54:14 GMT
Horses for courses. I really enjoy it. There are a few minor tweaks that I would make though. 1. Both teams to play in white. 2. Games to last five days. 3. Both teams to bat twice. 4. 90 overs to be bowled in a day. 5. Australia not allowed to win. 6. That`ll do. Very good. But you missed out No.7 the old professionals having a fag now and again and telling young kids to bu**** off when approached for an autograph. Not all did. I`ve still got the autograph that WG signed for me.
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Post by warehamgas on Jul 30, 2021 11:05:48 GMT
Very good. But you missed out No.7 the old professionals having a fag now and again and telling young kids to bu**** off when approached for an autograph. Not all did. I`ve still got the autograph that WG signed for me. Ah, but he was an amateur, one of the “Gentlemen”, not a player! 😉
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