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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2021 21:11:59 GMT
Apparently we have some flaws!
Bristol Rovers boss Joey Barton says he is planning a "complete overhaul" of aspects of the club amid frustrations with how Sam Nicholson's season-ending injury has been handled.
Nicholson played through the pain of a hip injury before exacerbating the issue against Charlton Athletic on March 16, accelerating the need for surgery.
But the Scotsman is yet to go under the knife and is set to miss the start of next season, much to Barton's frustration.
"It’s been a month since the Charlton game, I think he’s scheduled to get it (surgery) on Tuesday," the Gas boss said.
"If you miss a month between the (injury and the) operation, you’re going to miss a month in your rehab.
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"I spoke to Sammy yesterday and I think he’s probably going to be (out for) three or four months with it anyway, so he’s highly unlikely to start next season.
"Just another challenge of the football club, another department of the club we’re going to have to root and branch and completely overhaul in order to get it at an elite performing environment."
Nicholson registered eight goals and three assists in 35 games in all competitions before being sidelined, often posing Rovers' most dangerous attacking threat and he has been sorely missed in recent weeks with the Gas on the brink of relegation.
Barton previously said he expected Nicholson's surgery to take place in the days after he was ruled out for the season, but 35 days will have passed by the time his injury is operated on.
The manager, who on Friday said he had the full support of Wael Al-Qadi to address structural problems at the club, says it is essential Rovers becomes an "elite performing environment" and a shakeup of support staff is in the offing.
"The problem is major decisions cannot be made until the dust has settled and we’ve fully evaluated every single facet of the organisation, because to be an elite winning team, the organisation that supports it has got to be run smoothly," he continued.
"It’s like having a Formula One car – and I don’t think we’ve got a Formula One car at the minute – but it’s like having one and then it comes in the pit lane and the pit crew can’t put the tyres on.
"It doesn’t matter how good the driver is, it doesn’t matter how good the car is, it doesn’t matter how good the race strategy is, if the pit crew can’t do its job and everything behind that can’t do its job, then the performance level is going to be affected.
"We can’t be successful unless this is an elite performing environment. We managed to change Fleetwood into that and that was the reason the team was successful and punched above its weight.
"I come from elite-level environments. I played most of my career in the top division in England and there’s no higher level than the Premier League. There’s no bigger league than that and all I know is elite performance and if I don’t get it, I’m going to be moving towards is and those who can move with me, fantastic, it’s going to be the best journey in recent memory for Bristol Rovers.
"Those who can’t, unfortunately we’re not running a charity and it will be time for some people to leave the football club, because we only want winners here, we only want people who can be successful and that’s what the fans deserve.
"They’ve been starved of it for years and to give them belief and pride and passion back in their football team is the major reason I’m here." (Personally I thinks its for other reasons)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2021 21:16:19 GMT
Barton revealed he initially turned the job down in February, only to be won round by Al-Qadi's promises of control.
"When I initially spoke to the club I didn’t take the job," the manager said. "I don’t know if that’s commonly known. I actually passed on the job and I had a further conversation with Wael and Martyn and we had a different slant on what I had been told before by other people.
"Wael guaranteed me certain things and certain control of certain things, which was the thing that ultimately tipped me towards coming to the club.
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Post by chelt_gas on Apr 16, 2021 22:04:07 GMT
Barton revealed he initially turned the job down in February, only to be won round by Al-Qadi's promises of control. "When I initially spoke to the club I didn’t take the job," the manager said. "I don’t know if that’s commonly known. I actually passed on the job and I had a further conversation with Wael and Martyn and we had a different slant on what I had been told before by other people. "Wael guaranteed me certain things and certain control of certain things, which was the thing that ultimately tipped me towards coming to the club. Didn’t we have a root and branch review during Higgs’ time? Now we are trusting the football equivalent of Nigel Farage leading a wholesale change to the House of Commons. It’s getting mental. Not sure if joey’s new rehab centre will be medical or social. |
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Post by Angas on Apr 16, 2021 22:32:28 GMT
Well, there's a surprise.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 17, 2021 5:17:57 GMT
Apparently we have some flaws! Bristol Rovers boss Joey Barton says he is planning a "complete overhaul" of aspects of the club amid frustrations with how Sam Nicholson's season-ending injury has been handled. Nicholson played through the pain of a hip injury before exacerbating the issue against Charlton Athletic on March 16, accelerating the need for surgery. But the Scotsman is yet to go under the knife and is set to miss the start of next season, much to Barton's frustration. "It’s been a month since the Charlton game, I think he’s scheduled to get it (surgery) on Tuesday," the Gas boss said. "If you miss a month between the (injury and the) operation, you’re going to miss a month in your rehab. Joey Barton's transformation behind the scenes at Bristol Rovers beginsbristolpost "I spoke to Sammy yesterday and I think he’s probably going to be (out for) three or four months with it anyway, so he’s highly unlikely to start next season. "Just another challenge of the football club, another department of the club we’re going to have to root and branch and completely overhaul in order to get it at an elite performing environment." Nicholson registered eight goals and three assists in 35 games in all competitions before being sidelined, often posing Rovers' most dangerous attacking threat and he has been sorely missed in recent weeks with the Gas on the brink of relegation. Barton previously said he expected Nicholson's surgery to take place in the days after he was ruled out for the season, but 35 days will have passed by the time his injury is operated on. The manager, who on Friday said he had the full support of Wael Al-Qadi to address structural problems at the club, says it is essential Rovers becomes an "elite performing environment" and a shakeup of support staff is in the offing. "The problem is major decisions cannot be made until the dust has settled and we’ve fully evaluated every single facet of the organisation, because to be an elite winning team, the organisation that supports it has got to be run smoothly," he continued. "It’s like having a Formula One car – and I don’t think we’ve got a Formula One car at the minute – but it’s like having one and then it comes in the pit lane and the pit crew can’t put the tyres on. "It doesn’t matter how good the driver is, it doesn’t matter how good the car is, it doesn’t matter how good the race strategy is, if the pit crew can’t do its job and everything behind that can’t do its job, then the performance level is going to be affected. "We can’t be successful unless this is an elite performing environment. We managed to change Fleetwood into that and that was the reason the team was successful and punched above its weight. "I come from elite-level environments. I played most of my career in the top division in England and there’s no higher level than the Premier League. There’s no bigger league than that and all I know is elite performance and if I don’t get it, I’m going to be moving towards is and those who can move with me, fantastic, it’s going to be the best journey in recent memory for Bristol Rovers. "Those who can’t, unfortunately we’re not running a charity and it will be time for some people to leave the football club, because we only want winners here, we only want people who can be successful and that’s what the fans deserve. "They’ve been starved of it for years and to give them belief and pride and passion back in their football team is the major reason I’m here." (Personally I thinks its for other reasons) Thanks mate, He keeps quoting making Fleetwood successful but, apart from a play of berth on ppg, I didn’t see them tearing up trees and their budget was very much higher than ours. I’m sure that most even fair managers, could do a fair job with a decent recruiting budget and more to spare. It does beg the question though that is Wael going to truly back him with the same kind of budget and pay off even more players, so that Joseph can add players of a better quality. As usual, I will wait before commenting as this is little old Bristol Rovers and it’s not the first time we have been promised a root & branch review, this goes even further than that as , in JB’s own words we have a cancer in the club that needs addressing As for Nicholson , ALL walks of life had had operations and many such emergencies put back but due to the pandemic. |
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Post by basel on Apr 17, 2021 6:22:04 GMT
Barton revealed he initially turned the job down in February, only to be won round by Al-Qadi's promises of control. "When I initially spoke to the club I didn’t take the job," the manager said. "I don’t know if that’s commonly known. I actually passed on the job and I had a further conversation with Wael and Martyn and we had a different slant on what I had been told before by other people. "Wael guaranteed me certain things and certain control of certain things, which was the thing that ultimately tipped me towards coming to the club. I find this news encouraging.Rovers need a professional kick up the backside. Here he talks good commonsense. The Boss must be allowed to Boss. Absolutely more power to Joey. |
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Post by a more piratey game on Apr 17, 2021 6:54:41 GMT
Well, there's a surprise. Given the amount of BS spouted by Joeybag, I'm wondering if it's true Or if it's just general blustering, or maybe positioning for exit price negotiations which might follow very soon I really really hope it's not true |
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Post by lostinspace on Apr 17, 2021 7:37:01 GMT
Oh well, season free from visiting the men( if and when it is allowed) if that is the case
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Post by a more piratey game on Apr 17, 2021 7:42:00 GMT
Well, there's a surprise. Given the amount of BS spouted by Joeybag, I'm wondering if it's true Or if it's just general blustering, or maybe positioning for exit price negotiations which might follow very soon I really really hope it's not true Noting Pop's comments, it could be positioning to support forthcoming negotiations with some of our learned friends too |
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Post by laughinggas on Apr 17, 2021 7:46:34 GMT
Re operations
Would expect this to be done by private hospital so not sure if there were delays there because of covid.
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Post by The Concept on Apr 17, 2021 8:04:32 GMT
I'm a bit confused.
I thought we'd already been there and done this. I thought we had already put a top Medical Team in place. It could only have been 4 or 5 years ago. One of the problems highlighted was players being allowed to play before they were fit to do so, and we needed more assessment from a Medical Team. Wasn't it part of DC's wanting certain things in place in order for us to compete in League One? It was all announced with fanfare at the time.
What happened?
Is the same Medical Team still in place, but deemed not good enough now?
Did they all leave and were never replaced?
Did we have an about turn, realise we were losing too much money, and scaled back the Medical Team as part of cost cutting?
If the final reason listed above, then it sounds like we're doing an about turn again.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2021 9:15:58 GMT
Barton revealed he initially turned the job down in February, only to be won round by Al-Qadi's promises of control. "When I initially spoke to the club I didn’t take the job," the manager said. "I don’t know if that’s commonly known. I actually passed on the job and I had a further conversation with Wael and Martyn and we had a different slant on what I had been told before by other people. "Wael guaranteed me certain things and certain control of certain things, which was the thing that ultimately tipped me towards coming to the club. I find this news encouraging.Rovers need a professional kick up the backside. Here he talks good commonsense. The Boss must be allowed to Boss. Absolutely more power to Joey. It's laughably ridiculous Bas. Yes, Rovers is poorly run, but where exactly is Barton's experience in business management that suggests that he's got a Scooby about how to recruit or run any of the departments involved. This is as daft as someone saying that they worked at the Apple store in Cribbs, sure that's at the top end of their market, so now they are qualified to run the regional office. Sorry but every time he opens his mouth Barton sounds further detached from reality. |
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Post by womble on Apr 17, 2021 9:25:25 GMT
I find this news encouraging.Rovers need a professional kick up the backside. Here he talks good commonsense. The Boss must be allowed to Boss. Absolutely more power to Joey. It's laughably ridiculous Bas. Yes, Rovers is poorly run, but where exactly is Barton's experience in business management that suggests that he's got a Scooby about how to recruit or run any of the departments involved. This is as daft as someone saying that they worked at the Apple store in Cribbs, sure that's at the top end of their market, so now they are qualified to run the regional office. Sorry but every time he opens his mouth Barton sounds further detached from reality. This is presumably where Lieutenant Colonel Chris Gibson comes in. |
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Post by a more piratey game on Apr 17, 2021 9:45:42 GMT
from Frostie - Emporer Barton's first public acknowledgements? My highlights - and FWIW I think the whole yarn is a crock of groundless s***, apart from the fact that it reinforces my view that it's all about Joey, and always has been.... Joey Barton insists he retains the full support of Wael Al-Qadi at Bristol Rovers, and he has begun identifying the issues in the club's structure. While the manager's primary focus remains on Rovers' final five games of the season and fighting to stay in League One, he is enacting the mandate he says has been given to him by owner Al-Qadi to fix the problems that have led the Gas to the brink of relegation. Barton said he would not air any "dirty laundry" in public, but he has this week enlisted the help of Lieutenant Colonel Chris Gibson – an army veteran turned leadership expert – to assess the structure of the football club ahead of what promises to be another summer of change in BS7. " We worked with him at Fleetwood in the early process to come in and fully understand the structure of the club," Barton explained. "One of his key things is he’s the guy who built the Ebola hospitals to stop the spread of Ebola in Sierra Leone. "He’s massive in terms of infrastructure and helping us understand how departments work with each other, and he was a key influencer of us being successful at Fleetwood and leaving Fleetwood in a much better place than when we found it, not only on the pitch, but off it in the business aspect. "That’s the key. For me it’s not just about improving performance on the pitch. It’s massive and I wish I could come in and my only focus was the players and the pitch, but this project isn’t that and it will be something that I will use going forward in my managerial career and it’s something as a young coach in my third year that will stand me in great stead for getting the best out of myself as a manager and pushing myself to the highest possible level I can." Barton has been unable to turn Rovers' fortunes around since being appointed as Paul Tisdale's successor in February. The Gas have won just three of 12 games, with the same reoccurring issues of defensive frailty and attacking impotence not yet fixed. The Pirates have sunk the wrong side of League One's dotted line and are three points from safety with just five games remaining ahead of Saturday's visit of Lincoln City to the Mem. But Barton insists he retains the backing of Al-Qadi – even the manager falls short of his initial aim to keep Rovers in the third tier – to lead a revolution next season. "Absolutely," Barton replied when asked if he still held the faith of the owner. "He’s a great guy and he wants the best for his football club. I think he realises the energy we have as a team. That’s not just me, that’s the people that have come in the building with me in an official and unofficial capacity.
"I have the resources and expertise, based on the people I know, to very quickly turn this situation around. "You’d have to speak to Wael to see at what level, but for me he made a massive play to get me in and I only came to the football club, really, based on the conversations I had with Wael. "I didn’t speak to anybody else. It was Martyn Starnes and it was Wael, and it was Wael’s ambition and drive to get me here that convinced me to come. "I was at a period where I was getting paid and I could have sat on the couch and watch the results come in and wait to the end of the season and make a call from there, because I would then get the opportunity to recruit my own players, bring my own staff in and put my own processes in place.
"As I say, it was Wael’s passion for the project and his acceptance that things needed to change." Barton revealed he initially turned the job down in February, only to be won round by Al-Qadi's promises of control. "When I initially spoke to the club I didn’t take the job," the manager said. "I don’t know if that’s commonly known. I actually passed on the job and I had a further conversation with Wael and Martyn and we had a different slant on what I had been told before by other people.
"Wael guaranteed me certain things and certain control of certain things, which was the thing that ultimately tipped me towards coming to the club. "It was nothing to do with the potential of the club or the fanbase, because I’d seen that when I visited as an opposition manager, but it was due to who was going to make key decisions to drive the football club forward.
"I only came because I was told they would be mine. Nothing that has happened subsequently made me think otherwise. If anything, it’s further enhanced my understanding of my role and at this moment in time I think it’s the correct call. "I don’t understand everything about the club, every single facet of the club completely, because I’ve only been here eight weeks, but I think I’ve got a great understanding of where it’s at." www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/joey-bartons-transformation-behind-scenes-5307731 |
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Post by a more piratey game on Apr 17, 2021 9:50:31 GMT
from Frostie - Emporer Barton's first public acknowledgements? My highlights - and FWIW I think the whole yarn is a crock of groundless s***, apart from the fact that it reinforces my view that it's all about Joey, and always has been.... Joey Barton insists he retains the full support of Wael Al-Qadi at Bristol Rovers, and he has begun identifying the issues in the club's structure. While the manager's primary focus remains on Rovers' final five games of the season and fighting to stay in League One, he is enacting the mandate he says has been given to him by owner Al-Qadi to fix the problems that have led the Gas to the brink of relegation. Barton said he would not air any "dirty laundry" in public, but he has this week enlisted the help of Lieutenant Colonel Chris Gibson – an army veteran turned leadership expert – to assess the structure of the football club ahead of what promises to be another summer of change in BS7. " We worked with him at Fleetwood in the early process to come in and fully understand the structure of the club," Barton explained. "One of his key things is he’s the guy who built the Ebola hospitals to stop the spread of Ebola in Sierra Leone. "He’s massive in terms of infrastructure and helping us understand how departments work with each other, and he was a key influencer of us being successful at Fleetwood and leaving Fleetwood in a much better place than when we found it, not only on the pitch, but off it in the business aspect. "That’s the key. For me it’s not just about improving performance on the pitch. It’s massive and I wish I could come in and my only focus was the players and the pitch, but this project isn’t that and it will be something that I will use going forward in my managerial career and it’s something as a young coach in my third year that will stand me in great stead for getting the best out of myself as a manager and pushing myself to the highest possible level I can." Barton has been unable to turn Rovers' fortunes around since being appointed as Paul Tisdale's successor in February. The Gas have won just three of 12 games, with the same reoccurring issues of defensive frailty and attacking impotence not yet fixed. The Pirates have sunk the wrong side of League One's dotted line and are three points from safety with just five games remaining ahead of Saturday's visit of Lincoln City to the Mem. But Barton insists he retains the backing of Al-Qadi – even the manager falls short of his initial aim to keep Rovers in the third tier – to lead a revolution next season. "Absolutely," Barton replied when asked if he still held the faith of the owner. "He’s a great guy and he wants the best for his football club. I think he realises the energy we have as a team. That’s not just me, that’s the people that have come in the building with me in an official and unofficial capacity.
"I have the resources and expertise, based on the people I know, to very quickly turn this situation around. "You’d have to speak to Wael to see at what level, but for me he made a massive play to get me in and I only came to the football club, really, based on the conversations I had with Wael. "I didn’t speak to anybody else. It was Martyn Starnes and it was Wael, and it was Wael’s ambition and drive to get me here that convinced me to come. "I was at a period where I was getting paid and I could have sat on the couch and watch the results come in and wait to the end of the season and make a call from there, because I would then get the opportunity to recruit my own players, bring my own staff in and put my own processes in place.
"As I say, it was Wael’s passion for the project and his acceptance that things needed to change." Barton revealed he initially turned the job down in February, only to be won round by Al-Qadi's promises of control. "When I initially spoke to the club I didn’t take the job," the manager said. "I don’t know if that’s commonly known. I actually passed on the job and I had a further conversation with Wael and Martyn and we had a different slant on what I had been told before by other people.
"Wael guaranteed me certain things and certain control of certain things, which was the thing that ultimately tipped me towards coming to the club. "It was nothing to do with the potential of the club or the fanbase, because I’d seen that when I visited as an opposition manager, but it was due to who was going to make key decisions to drive the football club forward.
"I only came because I was told they would be mine. Nothing that has happened subsequently made me think otherwise. If anything, it’s further enhanced my understanding of my role and at this moment in time I think it’s the correct call. "I don’t understand everything about the club, every single facet of the club completely, because I’ve only been here eight weeks, but I think I’ve got a great understanding of where it’s at." www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/joey-bartons-transformation-behind-scenes-5307731if this isn't true, I think it calls for his sacking in very short order if it is true, then it's far worse. They say a fool and his money are easily parted, and many of the more business-like heads on here have to same extent levelled that against Wael - with the lack of a senior decision-making track record being in my view at the core of it. For the first time, I am wondering.... |
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Apr 17, 2021 15:35:50 GMT
Barton revealed he initially turned the job down in February, only to be won round by Al-Qadi's promises of control. "When I initially spoke to the club I didn’t take the job," the manager said. "I don’t know if that’s commonly known. I actually passed on the job and I had a further conversation with Wael and Martyn and we had a different slant on what I had been told before by other people. "Wael guaranteed me certain things and certain control of certain things, which was the thing that ultimately tipped me towards coming to the club. I find this news encouraging.Rovers need a professional kick up the backside. Here he talks good commonsense. The Boss must be allowed to Boss. Absolutely more power to Joey. yes in failed and flailing board shouldn’t have so much control over playing side of things and transfers. Can’t argue against that today, one of the worst days in club history. No if Barton and crew are the ideal people to take it from them. I would be more convinced with Tis as DOF and Garner as Coach, and Cocko his number 2. 🤣 interesting though in how Barton is mouthing off in this sense. He’s playing politics, playing the weakness right now to gain from it. And at same time he is drawing very public line in sand, if he doesn’t now get what he claimed is part of the deal, he legitimately walks. |
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Post by a more piratey game on Apr 17, 2021 15:55:49 GMT
I find this news encouraging.Rovers need a professional kick up the backside. Here he talks good commonsense. The Boss must be allowed to Boss. Absolutely more power to Joey. yes in failed and flailing board shouldn’t have so much control over playing side of things and transfers. Can’t argue against that today, one of the worst days in club history. No if Barton and crew are the ideal people to take it from them. I would be more convinced with Tis as DOF and Garner as Coach, and Cocko his number 2. 🤣 interesting though in how Barton is mouthing off in this sense. He’s playing politics, playing the weakness right now to gain from it. And at same time he is drawing very public line in sand, if he doesn’t now get what he claimed is part of the deal, he legitimately walks. Is my take too |
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Post by The Concept on Apr 19, 2021 16:34:15 GMT
from Frostie - Emporer Barton's first public acknowledgements? My highlights - and FWIW I think the whole yarn is a crock of groundless s***, apart from the fact that it reinforces my view that it's all about Joey, and always has been.... Joey Barton insists he retains the full support of Wael Al-Qadi at Bristol Rovers, and he has begun identifying the issues in the club's structure..... "He’s a great guy and he wants the best for his football club. I think he realises the energy we have as a team. That’s not just me, that’s the people that have come in the building with me in an official and unofficial capacity.
www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/joey-bartons-transformation-behind-scenes-5307731What does this mean exactly? Is JB sub-contracting out work? Is he using part of his salary to pay others? Are these 'unofficial' people employed by BRFC? Or are they volunteering and working for us out of the goodness of their hearts? I mean, 'unofficial' can't mean cash in hand. It would all be accounted for. No one would want the Inland Revenue knocking at their door. |
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Post by warehamgas on Apr 20, 2021 21:47:21 GMT
I'm a bit confused. I thought we'd already been there and done this. I thought we had already put a top Medical Team in place. It could only have been 4 or 5 years ago. One of the problems highlighted was players being allowed to play before they were fit to do so, and we needed more assessment from a Medical Team. Wasn't it part of DC's wanting certain things in place in order for us to compete in League One? It was all announced with fanfare at the time. What happened? Is the same Medical Team still in place, but deemed not good enough now? Did they all leave and were never replaced? Did we have an about turn, realise we were losing too much money, and scaled back the Medical Team as part of cost cutting? If the final reason listed above, then it sounds like we're doing an about turn again. I thought exactly the same when I read the article. Istr us appointing a few medical staff to make us more of a professional club and less of a “rag-bag” organisation in DCs time. Or have they all gone now? I suspect JB is just lashing out in frustration at the moment with some people believing what he says. The trouble is whenever we get relegated it becomes very cliche driven. We are promised “root and branch” reviews, or a “complete clear out”, or a “complete overhaul”. Now we are adding “making an elite environment” to the list. Blimey, Rovers becoming elite, I’d settle for us just having players good enough to stay in the third tier of English football. Thankfully the cricket season has started! UTG! |
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Post by chelt_gas on Apr 20, 2021 21:50:50 GMT
On a purely character basis Barton reminds me of those Teflon colleagues that repeatably fail but always manage to deflect responsibility.
If I were Wael then I’d be scrutinising Barton very very closely
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