bloogas
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Post by bloogas on Jul 25, 2021 14:42:19 GMT
Let's hope Wael is one of them. Yes, and I would support him totally in so doing. We assume Al Qadi was fully aware of B*****'s violent nature, but perhaps we are overestimating him. I mean, if you can buy an entire football club and stadium development plan without completing proper due diligence... I assume mean that had he done so he would not have bought Rovers. By extension neither would anyone else. NH could not therefore have sold the club. What do you think would have happened? Administration? Just asking - I don't particularly care either way.
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Post by swissgas on Jul 25, 2021 15:19:00 GMT
Yes, and I would support him totally in so doing. We assume Al Qadi was fully aware of B*****'s violent nature, but perhaps we are overestimating him. I mean, if you can buy an entire football club and stadium development plan without completing proper due diligence... I assume mean that had he done so he would not have bought Rovers. By extension neither would anyone else. NH could not therefore have sold the club. What do you think would have happened? Administration? Just asking - I don't particularly care either way. The other nine bidders probably valued Rovers on the basis of what it was worth as a football club. The Al-Qadi family valued it based on the development value of the land which is why Wael said “you would be amazed at how much value we got”. So for Nick Higgs this was the best deal because it entailed the absorbtion of Rovers debt and that included paying back the loans and bonds he and his colleagues had invested. For Rovers the best deal would have been acquisition by someone who had the wherewithal to run the club effectively and to build a new stadium but who wouldn’t necessarily have agreed to pay back loans and bonds owed to the owners of a business which was failing under their stewardship. I’m not blaming Nick Higgs because I’m sure he genuinely thought the Al-Qadi family would do what they said they would do. There has also been talk of safeguards being in place to prevent the Mem being sold without an alternative venue being in place but who knows how enforceable that would be. The problem we have now is that with Hani apparently back on the scene and the charge still over the Mem what happens if new owners are needed but the incumbents insist they will only sell at a development land price whereas any buyers will only pay a football club price ?
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Post by bloogas on Jul 25, 2021 15:53:08 GMT
I assume mean that had he done so he would not have bought Rovers. By extension neither would anyone else. NH could not therefore have sold the club. What do you think would have happened? Administration? Just asking - I don't particularly care either way. The other nine bidders probably valued Rovers on the basis of what it was worth as a football club. The Al-Qadi family valued it based on the development value of the land which is why Wael said “you would be amazed at how much value we got”. So for Nick Higgs this was the best deal because it entailed the absorbtion of Rovers debt and that included paying back the loans and bonds he and his colleagues had invested. For Rovers the best deal would have been acquisition by someone who had the wherewithal to run the club effectively and to build a new stadium but who wouldn’t necessarily have agreed to pay back loans and bonds owed to the owners of a business which was failing under their stewardship. I’m not blaming Nick Higgs because I’m sure he genuinely thought the Al-Qadi family would do what they said they would do. There has also been talk of safeguards being in place to prevent the Mem being sold without an alternative venue being in place but who knows how enforceable that would be. The problem we have now is that with Hani apparently back on the scene and the charge still over the Mem what happens if new owners are needed but the incumbents insist they will only sell at a development land price whereas any buyers will only pay a football club price ? Thanks.
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Post by rideintothesun on Jul 25, 2021 16:54:26 GMT
Its interesting that B*****'s defenders so regularly bring up his background, as if everybody who grew up in Huyton assaults teenagers or stubs cigarettes out in people's eyes.
What they don't realise is how utterly insulting this is to people from the same background who don't behave like mindless thugs.
It sickens me that B***** views himself as some kind of working class hero who has had to struggle against the odds to get where he is today. It is actually the opposite - he has carved out a niche for himself and is pandered to by the middle-class media, who view him as some kind of plaything to indulge themselves with. The British middle classes have always kept a place in the hearts for the working-class performing monkey, and Joey perfectly fits the role.
We've already suffered the indignities of potentially having legal action brought against the club because of his big mouth, and now we are supposed to fine with him potentially having to plan to fight two legal cases while managing the club?
Enough. Get rid now. And the people who employed this liability can go with him.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2021 17:17:17 GMT
Its interesting that B*****'s defenders so regularly bring up his background, as if everybody who grew up in Huyton assaults teenagers or stubs cigarettes out in people's eyes. What they don't realise is how utterly insulting this is to people from the same background who don't behave like mindless thugs. It sickens me that B***** views himself as some kind of working class hero who has had to struggle against the odds to get where he is today. It is actually the opposite - he has carved out a niche for himself and is pandered to by the middle-class media, who view him as some kind of plaything to indulge themselves with. The British middle classes have always kept a place in the hearts for the working-class performing monkey, and Joey perfectly fits the role. We've already suffered the indignities of potentially having legal action brought against the club because of his big mouth, and now we are supposed to fine with him potentially having to plan to fight two legal cases while managing the club? Enough. Get rid now. And the people who employed this liability can go with him. How can you even think that? They painted the bars and put up more tents don't you know.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2021 17:27:47 GMT
Its interesting that B*****'s defenders so regularly bring up his background, as if everybody who grew up in Huyton assaults teenagers or stubs cigarettes out in people's eyes. What they don't realise is how utterly insulting this is to people from the same background who don't behave like mindless thugs. It sickens me that B***** views himself as some kind of working class hero who has had to struggle against the odds to get where he is today. It is actually the opposite - he has carved out a niche for himself and is pandered to by the middle-class media, who view him as some kind of plaything to indulge themselves with. The British middle classes have always kept a place in the hearts for the working-class performing monkey, and Joey perfectly fits the role. We've already suffered the indignities of potentially having legal action brought against the club because of his big mouth, and now we are supposed to fine with him potentially having to plan to fight two legal cases while managing the club? Enough. Get rid now. And the people who employed this liability can go with him. This is worth reading twice, bravo.
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Post by Bath Gas on Jul 25, 2021 17:38:25 GMT
Its interesting that B*****'s defenders so regularly bring up his background, as if everybody who grew up in Huyton assaults teenagers or stubs cigarettes out in people's eyes. What they don't realise is how utterly insulting this is to people from the same background who don't behave like mindless thugs. It sickens me that B***** views himself as some kind of working class hero who has had to struggle against the odds to get where he is today. It is actually the opposite - he has carved out a niche for himself and is pandered to by the middle-class media, who view him as some kind of plaything to indulge themselves with. The British middle classes have always kept a place in the hearts for the working-class performing monkey, and Joey perfectly fits the role. We've already suffered the indignities of potentially having legal action brought against the club because of his big mouth, and now we are supposed to fine with him potentially having to plan to fight two legal cases while managing the club? Enough. Get rid now. And the people who employed this liability can go with him. Who will take over the club in this scenario?
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Post by swissgas on Jul 25, 2021 17:45:36 GMT
Its interesting that B*****'s defenders so regularly bring up his background, as if everybody who grew up in Huyton assaults teenagers or stubs cigarettes out in people's eyes. What they don't realise is how utterly insulting this is to people from the same background who don't behave like mindless thugs. It sickens me that B***** views himself as some kind of working class hero who has had to struggle against the odds to get where he is today. It is actually the opposite - he has carved out a niche for himself and is pandered to by the middle-class media, who view him as some kind of plaything to indulge themselves with. The British middle classes have always kept a place in the hearts for the working-class performing monkey, and Joey perfectly fits the role. We've already suffered the indignities of potentially having legal action brought against the club because of his big mouth, and now we are supposed to fine with him potentially having to plan to fight two legal cases while managing the club? Enough. Get rid now. And the people who employed this liability can go with him. Without wishing to detract from a good post, or go too far off topic, I do wonder about the circumstances in which those who employed B***** would decide to leave. The charge over the Mem is for £10 million but with Wigan (including their stadium) recently sold for about £4 million and Swindon Town for less than £2 million who is going to pay £10 million for Rovers ?
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 25, 2021 17:53:39 GMT
Its interesting that B*****'s defenders so regularly bring up his background, as if everybody who grew up in Huyton assaults teenagers or stubs cigarettes out in people's eyes. What they don't realise is how utterly insulting this is to people from the same background who don't behave like mindless thugs. It sickens me that B***** views himself as some kind of working class hero who has had to struggle against the odds to get where he is today. It is actually the opposite - he has carved out a niche for himself and is pandered to by the middle-class media, who view him as some kind of plaything to indulge themselves with. The British middle classes have always kept a place in the hearts for the working-class performing monkey, and Joey perfectly fits the role. We've already suffered the indignities of potentially having legal action brought against the club because of his big mouth, and now we are supposed to fine with him potentially having to plan to fight two legal cases while managing the club? Enough. Get rid now. And the people who employed this liability can go with him. This is worth reading twice, bravo. Is it though, the Stendel case evidence sounded inconclusive from what we heard at the original trial, with only Stendel and one of his players seeing the alleged push, in what sounded like a packed tunnel, now we have something similar being alleged and even his wife, who seems to be the potentially victim, is denying it occurred. As far as legal action against the club that's never materialised. JB hasn't received a criminal conviction since 2008 so he does seem to have moderated his temper, time will tell if the CPS prove that he hasn't on the two recent cases.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2021 20:12:53 GMT
This is worth reading twice, bravo. Is it though, the Stendel case evidence sounded inconclusive from what we heard at the original trial, with only Stendel and one of his players seeing the alleged push, in what sounded like a packed tunnel, now we have something similar being alleged and even his wife, who seems to be the potentially victim, is denying it occurred. As far as legal action against the club that's never materialised. JB hasn't received a criminal conviction since 2008 so he does seem to have moderated his temper, time will tell if the CPS prove that he hasn't on the two recent cases. I see, it all makes sense now, so it's not B*****'s fault, it's that everybody is out to get him and make him look bad. Give me strength!
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Post by chelt_gas on Jul 25, 2021 22:00:09 GMT
Is it though, the Stendel case evidence sounded inconclusive from what we heard at the original trial, with only Stendel and one of his players seeing the alleged push, in what sounded like a packed tunnel, now we have something similar being alleged and even his wife, who seems to be the potentially victim, is denying it occurred. As far as legal action against the club that's never materialised. JB hasn't received a criminal conviction since 2008 so he does seem to have moderated his temper, time will tell if the CPS prove that he hasn't on the two recent cases. I see, it all makes sense now, so it's not B*****'s fault, it's that everybody is out to get him and make him look bad. Give me strength! But 2 weak cases don’t make a right.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2021 23:17:23 GMT
But 2 weak cases don’t make a right. This does worry me. The risk of us being damaged by a manager with two separate assault prosecutions pending, for what feels like forever, and then him not being convicted or sentenced, so we're stuck with him until Sackman Al Qadi does what he does best disturbs me.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2021 23:19:48 GMT
I see, it all makes sense now, so it's not B*****'s fault, it's that everybody is out to get him and make him look bad. Give me strength! But 2 weak cases don’t make a right. So the Barnsley manager fell over all by himself and the media, in conjunction with a Police spokesman, have just made up this latest story. Is that your position? I have to put the bins out tomorrow evening, how the heck am I going to manage it without ending up with charges for assaulting at least a dozen people?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2021 23:22:52 GMT
He Shoves, there are now more votes for Punchy 'In' than there were before the latest story about him broke.
So much for people accepting that they were wrong to support his appointment.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2021 23:29:59 GMT
Hey Shoves, there are now more votes for Punchy 'In' than there were before the latest story about him broke. New friends, old enemies. It's funny the hoops people jump through. I'd rather be right than the winner.
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Post by chelt_gas on Jul 26, 2021 0:41:12 GMT
But 2 weak cases don’t make a right. So the Barnsley manager fell over all by himself and the media, in conjunction with a Police spokesman, have just made up this latest story. Is that your position? I have to put the bins out tomorrow evening, how the heck am I going to manage it without ending up with charges for assaulting at least a dozen people? My position is irrelevant. It'll come down to whether their is substantial proof for the court to convict or at least, if there is believable proof or otherwise, for the 'court of public opinion' to justify their feelings towards B*****. All criminal activity should be dealt with responsibly but equally no one should be punished if they haven't committed a crime. Unfortunately, some celebrities do get punished when the CPS or claimant seeks to chance their luck against a defendant with a bad rap sheet but a healthy bank balance and/or notoriety. Ched Evans anyone?
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Post by Bath Gas on Jul 26, 2021 5:15:39 GMT
He Shoves, there are now more votes for Punchy 'In' than there were before the latest story about him broke. So much for people accepting that they were wrong to support his appointment. If you followed the Sheffield court case, at the time of adjournment there was no robust evidence to support the claim that JB had pushed the Barnsley manager. As for JB being punchy, maybe we'll find out the substance in that later today.
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Jul 26, 2021 7:02:50 GMT
He Shoves, there are now more votes for Punchy 'In' than there were before the latest story about him broke. So much for people accepting that they were wrong to support his appointment. If you followed the Sheffield court case, at the time of adjournment there was no robust evidence to support the claim that JB had pushed the Barnsley manager. As for JB being punchy, maybe we'll find out the substance in that later today. I don't think the police report would include the word beating if there were no fists involved, unless he kicked her or head butted her ...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2021 8:33:01 GMT
He Shoves, there are now more votes for Punchy 'In' than there were before the latest story about him broke. So much for people accepting that they were wrong to support his appointment. If you followed the Sheffield court case, at the time of adjournment there was no robust evidence to support the claim that JB had pushed the Barnsley manager. As for JB being punchy, maybe we'll find out the substance in that later today. He's spent time in prison for being punchy. CCTV footage captured around 20 punches, not satisfied with his day's work he then went on to attack a teenager. Punchy it is. But the good news is I managed to not only put the bins out last night, I've also brought them in again this morning and haven't attacked anybody or been arrested for any incidents involving assault. Luckily for me I wasn't attacked myself, but the chances of that happening were swayed a bit by B***** being at a court 120 miles away I guess.
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Post by Angas on Jul 26, 2021 9:18:48 GMT
Maybe not swayed as much as you thought. He was on video link. Watch your back.
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