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Post by laughinggas on Mar 30, 2021 8:26:53 GMT
Think we have had 18 managers since Gerry Francis first time around.
Ollie and DC went on to have a further career.
A couple, like Trolls and GC had short stints with another club.
I think all the rest have not been appointed again.
What chance for BG, PT and JB in the future? Or will we end 3 more careers.
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Post by absent on Mar 30, 2021 9:56:11 GMT
We're really bad for stadiums too.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2021 9:59:08 GMT
Trolls has had a decent career always above our level in both the Premier and Championship. Assistant at both those levels agreed but still both a higher standard and salary.
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Post by laughinggas on Mar 30, 2021 10:01:37 GMT
Trolls has had a decent career always above our level in both the Premier and Championship. Assistant at both those levels agreed but still both a higher standard and salary. Yup, but never as a manager. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2021 10:05:40 GMT
Trolls has had a decent career always above our level in both the Premier and Championship. Assistant at both those levels agreed but still both a higher standard and salary. Yup, but never as a manager. Irrelevent. Most "managers" in the lower league graveyard would love to work at the highest level they can. Alex Inglethorpe was one of the most gifted you managers in the lower leagues, turned down the chance of an interview with us and moved on to Spurs and then Liverpool as the head of their academies. Manager of Bristol Rovers or assistant in The Prem or Championship? It's a no brainer. Only an idiot thought Trolls could be a manager at Rovers. He was appointed as a head coach because that's what he was and wanted to be hence the appointment of a DOF to do his admin and leg work. |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Mar 30, 2021 11:29:11 GMT
Trolls has had a decent career always above our level in both the Premier and Championship. Assistant at both those levels agreed but still both a higher standard and salary. Yup, but never as a manager. I have always been shocked that David Williams never went onto be a big club manager. I thought his leaving for Norwich was going to be the springboard for much bigger things. He is someone I’d love to see at our club. One can dream |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Mar 30, 2021 11:30:33 GMT
Yup, but never as a manager. Irrelevent. Most "managers" in the lower league graveyard would love to work at the highest level they can. Alex Inglethorpe was one of the most gifted you managers in the lower leagues, turned down the chance of an interview with us and moved on to Spurs and then Liverpool as the head of their academies. Manager of Bristol Rovers or assistant in The Prem or Championship? It's a no brainer. Only an idiot thought Trolls could be a manager at Rovers. He was appointed as a head coach because that's what he was and wanted to be hence the appointment of a DOF to do his admin and leg work. Only an idiot woukd manage Rovers, nail on the head and we got one . |
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Post by irishrover on Mar 30, 2021 11:39:02 GMT
Yup, but never as a manager. I have always been shocked that David Williams never went onto be a big club manager. I thought his leaving for Norwich was going to be the springboard for much bigger things. He is someone I’d love to see at our club. One can dream I think Pop Harris has answered your question there. He was better off in the player development role he had at the higher level. There tends to be more job security in those roles too.
Find it a bit odd the Trollope's career could be described as a failure when he's spent most of the subsequent time working in the Premier League. I'm also not sure we'd be particularly unusual if you were to compare stats with other clubs. It's just the reality of lower league football that clubs go through a lot of managers - every now and again one sticks but the norm is for clubs to churn through them. I think the LMA said that the average managerial tenure was now less than a year and if that's a mean average and you remove the rare long lasting outliers that would be skewing it then the standard tenure could be expected to be well under a year.
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Post by laughinggas on Mar 30, 2021 12:16:22 GMT
No mention of Trolls being a failure, just he had one more attempt at manager and that did not work.
There are some that are far better coaches than manager's, and a few the other way around.
Maybe we gave a history of not picking very good manager's.
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Mar 30, 2021 12:45:13 GMT
Trolls has had a decent career always above our level in both the Premier and Championship. Assistant at both those levels agreed but still both a higher standard and salary. Would you have him back tomorrow for second stint? Old wiser, and with good heads around him? when you think about it, quite a quick transformation under him and Lennie |
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Post by axegas on Mar 30, 2021 13:00:53 GMT
Arguably we haven’t had too many successful managers with Rovers since Francis. Obviously Holloway has gone on to have a successful career in the dugout, the likes of John Ward and Paul Trollope have gone on to have careers in the game, albeit without stunning success. Still waiting to see if DC’s post rovers career will be a success.
The truth is for most of that time we’ve flirted around L1 and L2, and if you don’t succeed as a manager at those levels, you’re going to find it hard to get another managerial job in the EFL.
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Post by swissgas on Mar 30, 2021 13:02:51 GMT
I read in the Evening Post “25 years ago” column about some mouthy Rovers fan harping on about “managing the manager”
He must be getting on a bit now, a grumpy old sod I shouldn’t wonder.
Might not be a bad idea though ?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2021 14:43:07 GMT
Trolls has had a decent career always above our level in both the Premier and Championship. Assistant at both those levels agreed but still both a higher standard and salary. Would you have him back tomorrow for second stint? Old wiser, and with good heads around him? when you think about it, quite a quick transformation under him and Lennie What worked perfectly was that he already had the support of the entire team when he took over as caretaker with John Anderson. They knew how they were going to do it and presented me and Mike Turl with a dossier of all their training plans and methods for raising the standards of each individual player. They presented this on the same day that Ian Atkins was sacked so 10/10 for preparation. Trolls was told to sign 3 players to improve the squad and that's where his weakness appeared and was the reason that a DOF was sought. Lennie was not the only candidate but like Trolls he had done his homework on both us as a club and Trolls as a coach. He also had a plan B which was never needed in case Trolls fell over. After the first week Lennie reported back with a one liner, "That boy is bloody good." I think he could return as there are new owners as he was shafted by the old board. Loan signings made without his agreement and being told to ensure they played but the worse of all, removing his DOF because the chairman thought that he could do the job. |
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Post by harrybuckle on Mar 30, 2021 17:46:37 GMT
Yup, but never as a manager. I have always been shocked that David Williams never went onto be a big club manager. I thought his leaving for Norwich was going to be the springboard for much bigger things. He is someone I’d love to see at our club. One can dream David Williams went onto coach at Leeds United, Everton,Manchester United. Welsh Fa and Doncaster there is a feature on him in Backpass magazine just been published about his career. I did an interview with him before Covid he prefers playing golf in Spain now than watching modern Football. |
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Post by Igitur on Apr 1, 2021 15:18:46 GMT
PT is going to be an adviser at Colchester, it would be interesting to see his job description.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2021 15:48:48 GMT
PT is going to be an adviser at Colchester, it would be interesting to see his job description. Given the title of “adviser” I expect he’ll be advising purely on player psychology as per his promo videos. I doubt they’ll let him anywhere near picking the team given his recent managerial record. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2021 16:11:51 GMT
Best of luck to PT in his new role
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