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Post by eppinggas on Feb 23, 2021 10:20:34 GMT
I suspect if you asked the huge majority of London based football supporters 'Which of the Bristol teams do you prefer' the most popular answer would be along the lines of 'Couldn't give a s*** mate' The idea that people think different of Rovers as a club, or of our fans, due to a managerial appt is laughable. Maybe you should be speak to some of them? I am getting derision, incredulity and laughter.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Feb 23, 2021 10:29:32 GMT
The underlined comment is a certain Paul Tisdale who has 717 games in charge as manager with an overall 38.6% win rate, what more can you ask for at lower level ? We gave him just 19 games in charge, who could take over and do a better job ? maybe he is there now. nonsense. The way Tisdale reacted publicly to the window, and how Holloway hates the owners and other staff at the club, suggests to me heart isn’t convinced by wanting to work for them. But that doesn’t mean that type of managerial appointment is the wrong road to go down for the good of the club. It’s not just moralising. What has convinced anyone B***** can game manage, coach young players and get best out of everyone whose income and career is now in his hands? Nothing. You have nothing from his managerial or playing career to convince you! Holloway’s simply said that the club wouldn’t want him to work with him. He may be silly but he ain’t daft
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2021 10:41:19 GMT
Okay those backing this appointment, let’s ignore the moral dimension (I am not conceding anything to anyone wrong side of the line in how they live life, you are just a burden on the rest of us to put up with you) instead you make an argument this is a solid football choice by a club that is making solid football decisions. What’s B***** ever achieved in football management? His celebrity status isn’t based on anything he has ever done well in football. What has convinced anyone B***** can game manage, coach young players and get best out of everyone whose income and career is now in his hands? Next season starts with a young squad in L2 or a young squad who have struggled to compete in L1. What convinces the board he is the man to make these young men better? You’ve got nothing. Struggling very hard to find the right place to post this after keeping quiet yesterday. I am surprised by the vitriolic, holier than though posts from some on many threads. You don't have to like the manager, you don't have to support the club, you don't have to go. I will go, I will support them, I will give B***** a chance. I don't have to like him. I love Oasis but Liam Gallagher is tw*t, my daughter loves The 1975 but their lead singer takes heroin. I love The Who, shall I go on.. so how many of you on here would not go and see them knowing what we know about Pete Townshend. B*****'s past is not good reading but please let's find some balance here. If Garners plan worked they would not be appointing B*****, I actually thought at one stage that Tisdale had joined us agreeing it was ok to take us down and build from there. We are where are and deserve to be, it calls for drastic measures, so we appoint a young, hungry, controversial manager with the potential to cause us bad publicity and embarrassment, with the potential to save us from relegation and build for next season. Do people think Wael wants us to fail? Do you think he doesn't care about the club? I will tell you something for nothing, if some people dig their heals in and don't come to support the team after everything that has happened just because they've appointed Joey B***** he will not give 2 sh*ts. I will be paying my £10 to see the new Rovers tonight, I will be looking forward to it and excited to see the next few games to see if anyone can get a tune out of this group. It might not work, but guess what, it might. I was appalled at the treatment Coughlan got when he was winning matches. Sometimes I don't know what people want. It's as if they want perfect football and 5-0 wins every week. It's not going to happen to Rovers unless we change something. Give the guy a chance, but please don't think you saying 'I'm not going' makes any difference to B***** or Wael. I understand the moral aspect of this, imagine being a Plymouth fan having to watch that Goalkeeper McCormick, or Southend fan watching Ranger, or anyone Lee Hughes played for. Let's be realistic, B***** proved himself at Fleetwood when it could have gone wrong. Credit to him for starting lower than the likes of Lampard and Rooney, even Woodgate. L1 is unforgiving as we know and he developed this underdog mentality at FW where, for me, they were always horrible to play against. I was surprised the wheels came off as when they beat us 4-1 they looked very good. That club is still on its elastic band and is going to ping back where it belongs one day, but he gave them relative success on crowds of 3000, in his first job. Now, the argument is that we are too big for him, but we need help, we need to stay up, he has a clean slate (with some of us) and a chance to learn from any mistakes he made at Cod. He has already started to whip up the blue half mentality with his comments yesterday which is exactly what I hoped he'd do. Just imagine if this does work out and we end up playing the 82 in the Championship, if Wycombe can do it why can't we? Like I said last week we are allowed to. It is a big gamble, mainly because of the B***** media circus and his potential to implode leaving us in the sh*t, give the board and Joey credit for thinking of this too. He played for some great clubs, he definitely had a renaissance at Burnley and would have played for England a lot more had he been a bit better behaved. I support Rovers and did when Coughlan and Buckle were in charge, so I will happily take my medicine if it goes wrong, I backed Garner from the start, I backed Tisdale from the start and it is my right then to slag them off when they get it wrong, but I will always give them the chance to do what they do best. Feel free to remind me of this post on relegation day or when we are safe. UTG I was with you until you said you liked The Who
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2021 10:45:20 GMT
Okay those backing this appointment, let’s ignore the moral dimension (I am not conceding anything to anyone wrong side of the line in how they live life, you are just a burden on the rest of us to put up with you) instead you make an argument this is a solid football choice by a club that is making solid football decisions. What’s B***** ever achieved in football management? His celebrity status isn’t based on anything he has ever done well in football. What has convinced anyone B***** can game manage, coach young players and get best out of everyone whose income and career is now in his hands? Next season starts with a young squad in L2 or a young squad who have struggled to compete in L1. What convinces the board he is the man to make these young men better? You’ve got nothing. Struggling very hard to find the right place to post this after keeping quiet yesterday. I am surprised by the vitriolic, holier than though posts from some on many threads. You don't have to like the manager, you don't have to support the club, you don't have to go. I will go, I will support them, I will give B***** a chance. I don't have to like him. I love Oasis but Liam Gallagher is tw*t, my daughter loves The 1975 but their lead singer takes heroin. I love The Who, shall I go on.. so how many of you on here would not go and see them knowing what we know about Pete Townshend. B*****'s past is not good reading but please let's find some balance here. If Garners plan worked they would not be appointing B*****, I actually thought at one stage that Tisdale had joined us agreeing it was ok to take us down and build from there. We are where are and deserve to be, it calls for drastic measures, so we appoint a young, hungry, controversial manager with the potential to cause us bad publicity and embarrassment, with the potential to save us from relegation and build for next season. Do people think Wael wants us to fail? Do you think he doesn't care about the club? I will tell you something for nothing, if some people dig their heals in and don't come to support the team after everything that has happened just because they've appointed Joey B***** he will not give 2 sh*ts. I will be paying my £10 to see the new Rovers tonight, I will be looking forward to it and excited to see the next few games to see if anyone can get a tune out of this group. It might not work, but guess what, it might. I was appalled at the treatment Coughlan got when he was winning matches. Sometimes I don't know what people want. It's as if they want perfect football and 5-0 wins every week. It's not going to happen to Rovers unless we change something. Give the guy a chance, but please don't think you saying 'I'm not going' makes any difference to B***** or Wael. I understand the moral aspect of this, imagine being a Plymouth fan having to watch that Goalkeeper McCormick, or Southend fan watching Ranger, or anyone Lee Hughes played for. Let's be realistic, B***** proved himself at Fleetwood when it could have gone wrong. Credit to him for starting lower than the likes of Lampard and Rooney, even Woodgate. L1 is unforgiving as we know and he developed this underdog mentality at FW where, for me, they were always horrible to play against. I was surprised the wheels came off as when they beat us 4-1 they looked very good. That club is still on its elastic band and is going to ping back where it belongs one day, but he gave them relative success on crowds of 3000, in his first job. Now, the argument is that we are too big for him, but we need help, we need to stay up, he has a clean slate (with some of us) and a chance to learn from any mistakes he made at Cod. He has already started to whip up the blue half mentality with his comments yesterday which is exactly what I hoped he'd do. Just imagine if this does work out and we end up playing the 82 in the Championship, if Wycombe can do it why can't we? Like I said last week we are allowed to. It is a big gamble, mainly because of the B***** media circus and his potential to implode leaving us in the sh*t, give the board and Joey credit for thinking of this too. He played for some great clubs, he definitely had a renaissance at Burnley and would have played for England a lot more had he been a bit better behaved. I support Rovers and did when Coughlan and Buckle were in charge, so I will happily take my medicine if it goes wrong, I backed Garner from the start, I backed Tisdale from the start and it is my right then to slag them off when they get it wrong, but I will always give them the chance to do what they do best. Feel free to remind me of this post on relegation day or when we are safe. UTG Hard to agree with much of that. Firstly, he's never learned a thing, he's a violent yob, and it appears you haven't noticed, he has an upcoming court appearance relating to an opposition manager losing teeth, the exact same thing that happened to the 16 year old that he beat up when he was drunk and with a big group of his mates and family members. Secondly, any level of success at Fleetwood needs to be balanced against the £5,950,000.00 loss shown in their last lot of published accounts. Who knows, maybe even Garner could have done something with a budget like that. That's where their success comes from. Why should the BoD be given credit for thinking of B*****'s potential to implode? What have they done to ensure that when he's either jailed in a couple of months or attacks someone else, or starts betting on football again, and gets banned, again, that it won't have an adverse effect on the club? The only things we probably agree on is that he was a decent player, when he wasn't attacking opponents, and on the list of other people it would also be appalling to have associated with Rovers.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2021 10:52:31 GMT
Struggling very hard to find the right place to post this after keeping quiet yesterday. I am surprised by the vitriolic, holier than though posts from some on many threads. You don't have to like the manager, you don't have to support the club, you don't have to go. I will go, I will support them, I will give B***** a chance. I don't have to like him. I love Oasis but Liam Gallagher is tw*t, my daughter loves The 1975 but their lead singer takes heroin. I love The Who, shall I go on.. so how many of you on here would not go and see them knowing what we know about Pete Townshend. B*****'s past is not good reading but please let's find some balance here. If Garners plan worked they would not be appointing B*****, I actually thought at one stage that Tisdale had joined us agreeing it was ok to take us down and build from there. We are where are and deserve to be, it calls for drastic measures, so we appoint a young, hungry, controversial manager with the potential to cause us bad publicity and embarrassment, with the potential to save us from relegation and build for next season. Do people think Wael wants us to fail? Do you think he doesn't care about the club? I will tell you something for nothing, if some people dig their heals in and don't come to support the team after everything that has happened just because they've appointed Joey B***** he will not give 2 sh*ts. I will be paying my £10 to see the new Rovers tonight, I will be looking forward to it and excited to see the next few games to see if anyone can get a tune out of this group. It might not work, but guess what, it might. I was appalled at the treatment Coughlan got when he was winning matches. Sometimes I don't know what people want. It's as if they want perfect football and 5-0 wins every week. It's not going to happen to Rovers unless we change something. Give the guy a chance, but please don't think you saying 'I'm not going' makes any difference to B***** or Wael. I understand the moral aspect of this, imagine being a Plymouth fan having to watch that Goalkeeper McCormick, or Southend fan watching Ranger, or anyone Lee Hughes played for. Let's be realistic, B***** proved himself at Fleetwood when it could have gone wrong. Credit to him for starting lower than the likes of Lampard and Rooney, even Woodgate. L1 is unforgiving as we know and he developed this underdog mentality at FW where, for me, they were always horrible to play against. I was surprised the wheels came off as when they beat us 4-1 they looked very good. That club is still on its elastic band and is going to ping back where it belongs one day, but he gave them relative success on crowds of 3000, in his first job. Now, the argument is that we are too big for him, but we need help, we need to stay up, he has a clean slate (with some of us) and a chance to learn from any mistakes he made at Cod. He has already started to whip up the blue half mentality with his comments yesterday which is exactly what I hoped he'd do. Just imagine if this does work out and we end up playing the 82 in the Championship, if Wycombe can do it why can't we? Like I said last week we are allowed to. It is a big gamble, mainly because of the B***** media circus and his potential to implode leaving us in the sh*t, give the board and Joey credit for thinking of this too. He played for some great clubs, he definitely had a renaissance at Burnley and would have played for England a lot more had he been a bit better behaved. I support Rovers and did when Coughlan and Buckle were in charge, so I will happily take my medicine if it goes wrong, I backed Garner from the start, I backed Tisdale from the start and it is my right then to slag them off when they get it wrong, but I will always give them the chance to do what they do best. Feel free to remind me of this post on relegation day or when we are safe. UTG Hard to agree with much of that. Firstly, he's never learned a thing, he's a violent yob, and it appears you haven't noticed, he has an upcoming court appearance relating to an opposition manager losing teeth, the exact same thing that happened to the 16 year old that he beat up when he was drunk and with a big group of his mates and family members. Secondly, any level of success at Fleetwood needs to be balanced against the £5,950,000.00 loss shown in their last lot of published accounts. Who knows, maybe even Garner could have done something with a budget like that. That's where their success comes from. Why should the BoD be given credit for thinking of B*****'s potential to implode? What have they done to ensure that when he's either jailed in a couple of months or attacks someone else, or starts betting on football again, and gets banned, again, that it won't have an adverse effect on the club? The only things we probably agree on is that he was a decent player, when he wasn't attacking opponents, and on the list of other people it would also be appalling to have associated with Rovers. It’s also worth remembering that Joey has been a manager as long as Coughlan has, we saw how well Coughlan got on at a new club- he was found out. I don’t get where all this hype is coming from. He’s not guaranteed to keep us up, by a long shot. And that’s an eye watering spend. He won’t be getting anywhere near that much funding here.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2021 10:53:41 GMT
Yeah but I’m a Burnley fan sticking up for Joey . I think some folk moved to Bristol for uni and latched on to Rovers as the unfashionable club and we see them horrified at this working class oik B***** coming along to spoil their fun. Rovers ain’t St Pauli or Dulwich hamlet. You could see rovers players are pleased about Joey. Joey can always phone Dyche for a bit of advice if he needs it. Very few University 'types' that I'm aware of. A vast majority of Gasheads are working class Bristolians. I don't object to his class. I object to his criminal convictions and violent past. This person pretending to be from Burnley has some kind of class obsession and is obviously only looking for a reaction. Would have thought they were more interested in their own manager situation at BS3, but there you go, their infatuation with The Gas runs deep.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2021 11:00:08 GMT
Hard to agree with much of that. Firstly, he's never learned a thing, he's a violent yob, and it appears you haven't noticed, he has an upcoming court appearance relating to an opposition manager losing teeth, the exact same thing that happened to the 16 year old that he beat up when he was drunk and with a big group of his mates and family members. Secondly, any level of success at Fleetwood needs to be balanced against the £5,950,000.00 loss shown in their last lot of published accounts. Who knows, maybe even Garner could have done something with a budget like that. That's where their success comes from. Why should the BoD be given credit for thinking of B*****'s potential to implode? What have they done to ensure that when he's either jailed in a couple of months or attacks someone else, or starts betting on football again, and gets banned, again, that it won't have an adverse effect on the club? The only things we probably agree on is that he was a decent player, when he wasn't attacking opponents, and on the list of other people it would also be appalling to have associated with Rovers. It’s also worth remembering that Joey has been a manager as long as Coughlan has, we saw how well Coughlan got on at a new club- he was found out. I don’t get where all this hype is coming from. He’s not guaranteed to keep us up, by a long shot. And that’s an eye watering spend. He won’t be getting anywhere near that much funding here. That's unfair on GC. I don't think he claimed to be a manager, he was shoe-horned into the position at Rovers, then whatever happened here happened and he left. He took another job that was offered, can't blame him for giving it a go. It worked for him at Rovers, with that group of players, at that time. But it's a bit disrespectful to say he was 'found out', what he did here was get a group achieving far more than the sum of their individual parts, and we should be grateful to him for that.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Feb 23, 2021 11:12:05 GMT
It’s also worth remembering that Joey has been a manager as long as Coughlan has, we saw how well Coughlan got on at a new club- he was found out. I don’t get where all this hype is coming from. He’s not guaranteed to keep us up, by a long shot. And that’s an eye watering spend. He won’t be getting anywhere near that much funding here. That's unfair on GC. I don't think he claimed to be a manager, he was shoe-horned into the position at Rovers, then whatever happened here happened and he left. He took another job that was offered, can't blame him for giving it a go. It worked for him at Rovers, with that group of players, at that time. But it's a bit disrespectful to say he was 'found out', what he did here was get a group achieving far more than the sum of their individual parts, and we should be grateful to him for that. A great shame many of us, myself included, did not feel the games were good to watch.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2021 11:14:33 GMT
That's unfair on GC. I don't think he claimed to be a manager, he was shoe-horned into the position at Rovers, then whatever happened here happened and he left. He took another job that was offered, can't blame him for giving it a go. It worked for him at Rovers, with that group of players, at that time. But it's a bit disrespectful to say he was 'found out', what he did here was get a group achieving far more than the sum of their individual parts, and we should be grateful to him for that. A great shame many of us, myself included, did not feel the games were good to watch. Dull as dull can be, but like the England rugby team under Woodward, very hard to beat.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Feb 23, 2021 11:16:06 GMT
That's unfair on GC. I don't think he claimed to be a manager, he was shoe-horned into the position at Rovers, then whatever happened here happened and he left. He took another job that was offered, can't blame him for giving it a go. It worked for him at Rovers, with that group of players, at that time. But it's a bit disrespectful to say he was 'found out', what he did here was get a group achieving far more than the sum of their individual parts, and we should be grateful to him for that. A great shame many of us, myself included, did not feel the games were good to watch. I wonder if they said that singing out of Portman Road in December 2019....a genuinely emotional moment that if you were there, you'll never forget. I take the point though as falling crowds and quiet Mem does have an impact. I always had faith that both would improve with an established play off place earned...
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Post by mangogas15 on Feb 23, 2021 11:19:25 GMT
Struggling very hard to find the right place to post this after keeping quiet yesterday. I am surprised by the vitriolic, holier than though posts from some on many threads. You don't have to like the manager, you don't have to support the club, you don't have to go. I will go, I will support them, I will give B***** a chance. I don't have to like him. I love Oasis but Liam Gallagher is tw*t, my daughter loves The 1975 but their lead singer takes heroin. I love The Who, shall I go on.. so how many of you on here would not go and see them knowing what we know about Pete Townshend. B*****'s past is not good reading but please let's find some balance here. If Garners plan worked they would not be appointing B*****, I actually thought at one stage that Tisdale had joined us agreeing it was ok to take us down and build from there. We are where are and deserve to be, it calls for drastic measures, so we appoint a young, hungry, controversial manager with the potential to cause us bad publicity and embarrassment, with the potential to save us from relegation and build for next season. Do people think Wael wants us to fail? Do you think he doesn't care about the club? I will tell you something for nothing, if some people dig their heals in and don't come to support the team after everything that has happened just because they've appointed Joey B***** he will not give 2 sh*ts. I will be paying my £10 to see the new Rovers tonight, I will be looking forward to it and excited to see the next few games to see if anyone can get a tune out of this group. It might not work, but guess what, it might. I was appalled at the treatment Coughlan got when he was winning matches. Sometimes I don't know what people want. It's as if they want perfect football and 5-0 wins every week. It's not going to happen to Rovers unless we change something. Give the guy a chance, but please don't think you saying 'I'm not going' makes any difference to B***** or Wael. I understand the moral aspect of this, imagine being a Plymouth fan having to watch that Goalkeeper McCormick, or Southend fan watching Ranger, or anyone Lee Hughes played for. Let's be realistic, B***** proved himself at Fleetwood when it could have gone wrong. Credit to him for starting lower than the likes of Lampard and Rooney, even Woodgate. L1 is unforgiving as we know and he developed this underdog mentality at FW where, for me, they were always horrible to play against. I was surprised the wheels came off as when they beat us 4-1 they looked very good. That club is still on its elastic band and is going to ping back where it belongs one day, but he gave them relative success on crowds of 3000, in his first job. Now, the argument is that we are too big for him, but we need help, we need to stay up, he has a clean slate (with some of us) and a chance to learn from any mistakes he made at Cod. He has already started to whip up the blue half mentality with his comments yesterday which is exactly what I hoped he'd do. Just imagine if this does work out and we end up playing the 82 in the Championship, if Wycombe can do it why can't we? Like I said last week we are allowed to. It is a big gamble, mainly because of the B***** media circus and his potential to implode leaving us in the sh*t, give the board and Joey credit for thinking of this too. He played for some great clubs, he definitely had a renaissance at Burnley and would have played for England a lot more had he been a bit better behaved. I support Rovers and did when Coughlan and Buckle were in charge, so I will happily take my medicine if it goes wrong, I backed Garner from the start, I backed Tisdale from the start and it is my right then to slag them off when they get it wrong, but I will always give them the chance to do what they do best. Feel free to remind me of this post on relegation day or when we are safe. UTG I was with you until you said you liked The Who Who doesn't?
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Post by mangogas15 on Feb 23, 2021 11:21:09 GMT
It’s also worth remembering that Joey has been a manager as long as Coughlan has, we saw how well Coughlan got on at a new club- he was found out. I don’t get where all this hype is coming from. He’s not guaranteed to keep us up, by a long shot. And that’s an eye watering spend. He won’t be getting anywhere near that much funding here. That's unfair on GC. I don't think he claimed to be a manager, he was shoe-horned into the position at Rovers, then whatever happened here happened and he left. He took another job that was offered, can't blame him for giving it a go. It worked for him at Rovers, with that group of players, at that time. But it's a bit disrespectful to say he was 'found out', what he did here was get a group achieving far more than the sum of their individual parts, and we should be grateful to him for that. Totally agree, Mansfield was clearly the wrong fit and his success here was not down to luck surely.
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Post by mangogas15 on Feb 23, 2021 11:22:15 GMT
A great shame many of us, myself included, did not feel the games were good to watch. Dull as dull can be, but like the England rugby team under Woodward, very hard to beat. Again, what do you want? Pretty relegation or boring promotion? I pay my money to watch us win first.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2021 11:36:05 GMT
Dull as dull can be, but like the England rugby team under Woodward, very hard to beat. Again, what do you want? Pretty relegation or boring promotion? I pay my money to watch us win first. Give me Garner's pretty little triangles in midfield, with opposition players scratching their heads wondering if we are mocking them, before barging our lightweight kids off of the ball and walking it into our net please.
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Post by towngas on Feb 23, 2021 11:40:58 GMT
Pipe had previous and it didn’t stop us employing him. B***** has hardly set foot through the door. How about giving him the opportunity to show he can be a changed person? Rovers probably had to be very mindful of the legal implications here. Refusing him an interview or the job on the grounds of his previous convictions would possibly be a breach of legislation.reflection they could have refused an interview on the grounds he would not be able to fulfil his contract, but that would be assuming that he would be found guilty and would then be awarded a custodial sentence How about you decide whether in your opinion he's likely to change and I'll do the same. Nothing whatsoever in legislation would or could have prevented an employer in this situation declining an interview on the basis that it wasn't known whether the applicant would be at liberty to fulfil the contract on offer, which the club has always made clear required a manager to be part of a long term strategy of developing players. I don’t think I prevaricated on an opinion regarding B*****. Every person has it in them to become a better person. Look at David Jeal for example. As for employing B*****, I agree, on reflection, the club could consider the likelihood of his being able to fulfil a contract, but that would mean making huge assumptions that he would be found guilty and would be awarded a custodial sentence. They obviously granted an interview, that is a matter of fact, and don't think that at that stage they could take into account his previous conviction IF it had been spent. The RHA says so. I have mixed feelings about this whole affair. I don’t particularly like the man, but I don’t think he is irredeemably bad. I think he will provide the drive, determination and passion that was so obviously absent in the last two managers. That’s the least we need to stay up. PS I hope your strap line doesn’t include me!
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Post by towngas on Feb 23, 2021 11:42:45 GMT
Yes absolutely. But you are giving forced choices. I liked the way the team went about it under Tommy last two games. In terms of best option for evolution and developing young players into a force over 24 to 36 months without shred of doubt Ben Garner was the best option for that, I don’t think we would have gone down under him, but I think I would have given him 14 games of the L2 season to find improvement too. But let’s think outside the box, Trollope had his Lenny to look after him, trolls went off rails when Lenny had gone, how much better could BG have been with a Lenny. certainly happier with Hamer than Starnes, at least he knew how to dress himself. we don’t get to choose our owners, but I like to think we can do better than Wael & Higgs. Wouldn’t you rather we were owned by Ryan Reynolds or Milan Mandarić? Ben Garner was brought in with a young squad on a long term project. He had a stack of credible references he is best around at developing young players. He was sacked on argument the rookie boss wasn’t great yet at game management. Well first try sticking a Lenny Lawrence on bench next to him then? Our club is being run by imbeciles. Supported by quite a few as well, it has to be said.
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Post by TaiwanGas on Feb 23, 2021 11:52:33 GMT
I watched the B***** appointment interview, I thought he came across extremely well and had clearly done his homework, he skipped around his grevous misdemeanours as if they were on a level of pinching daffodils from a garden, quoting he is a 'marmite' sort of character, quite remarkable, I don't think anybody's been assaulted by a jar of marmite!, a box of Weetabix mayby!.
Forgive me, perhaps I am old fasioned and out of touch, but if I had a similar record, and was about to go on trial for yet another assault, I don't think I would be looking to thrust myself back into the public domain, the pending case would be hanging over me like the sword of damocles guilty or not, how can the man operate and go about his daily work and life in a dignified and conscientious way?. Or perhaps society and values are changing and people just don't care anymore, but I do.
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Post by towngas on Feb 23, 2021 11:53:44 GMT
I will continue to support the team, but I have a hard time supporting the appointment and right now a i am as much disgusted by the next to nothing we have heard from the board on the appointment. It doesnt matter who was appointed, this was massive, this is our season and to be given the generic statement on the website is shocking and thats before you factor in the feelings the B***** appointment stirred up. Last night, i felt/realised my 'love' of Rovers die a little bit. That's not just down to B***** getting the job, it's everything. The entire season has been a shambles. I have no idea what direction the club is going. Yes we need to stay up right now, but then what. We have rolled the dice on Joey B***** and... Not being able to go to games suck, not being able to get that pent up frustration on a match day through positive or negative support has i think affected everyone and it has been magnified on social media Right now I feel meh about it all. Not sure I can be arsed to watch the game tonight just because Yea, kinda get that. Apart from opinions on whom should be manager (I wanted a change made in season curtailment because it was obvious it wasn't going to work and we had choice of managers available that were very investable) which we could all speculate, and the current crisis around pandemic, the p r from the club has been poor. But then, it's never been brilliant. I'm surprised JB wasn't traditionally rolled out with board surrounding him in press conference to unveil and sit shoulder to social distance reeser with B***** present the holier than thousshoulder with him as a sign of unity. To answer proper media (as opposed to exclusively our own) questions and subliminally project a positive statement of intent.. There's alot of frustration that could have been dissipated if events were handled differently, but maybe there is a reason for all this, and maybe time will tell. Easier said than done, but try to keep the faith. We've been in more troubled times before.. If the board had held a socially distanced presser the Holier than Thou’s would have been ranting about them openly consorting with and supporting a common criminal and thug, thus making subliminal statements about condoning his past. I really didn’t know there were so many whiter than white (other colours do of course represent wholesome goodness) characters supporting this club. You could fill a huge glasshouse with them and return the next day safe in the knowledge that not one pane would be broken.
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Post by syg on Feb 23, 2021 11:54:03 GMT
I watched the B***** appointment interview, I thought he came across extremely well and had clearly done his homework, he skipped around his grevous misdemeanours as if they were on a level of pinching daffodils from a garden, quoting he is a 'marmite' sort of character, quite remarkable, I don't think anybody's been assaulted by a jar of marmite!, a box of Weetabix mayby!. Forgive me, perhaps I am old fasioned and out of touch, but if I had a similar record, and was about to go on trial for yet another assault, I don't think I would be looking to thrust myself back into the public domain, the pending case would be hanging over me like the sword of damocles guilty or not, how can the man operate and go about his daily work and life in a dignified and conscientious way?. Or perhaps society and values are changing and people just don't care anymore, but I do. Maybe he knows he has nothing to worry about in June.
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Post by Peter Parker on Feb 23, 2021 11:55:16 GMT
Yes absolutely. But you are giving forced choices. I liked the way the team went about it under Tommy last two games. In terms of best option for evolution and developing young players into a force over 24 to 36 months without shred of doubt Ben Garner was the best option for that, I don’t think we would have gone down under him, but I think I would have given him 14 games of the L2 season to find improvement too. But let’s think outside the box, Trollope had his Lenny to look after him, trolls went off rails when Lenny had gone, how much better could BG have been with a Lenny. certainly happier with Hamer than Starnes, at least he knew how to dress himself. we don’t get to choose our owners, but I like to think we can do better than Wael & Higgs. Wouldn’t you rather we were owned by Ryan Reynolds or Milan Mandarić? Ben Garner was brought in with a young squad on a long term project. He had a stack of credible references he is best around at developing young players. He was sacked on argument the rookie boss wasn’t great yet at game management. Well first try sticking a Lenny Lawrence on bench next to him then? Our club is being run by imbeciles. to follow up on that, what was the deal with Steve Coppell? It was reported that he was offering off and on advice and support to Garner. Not saying Coppell was the right man, but could he have been available to BG on a match day? a different pair of eyes to Sgt. Wilson or Maher?
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