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Post by lostinspace on Feb 15, 2021 12:05:14 GMT
Well the umpires have again caused a bit of a stir, Root basically out as out could be, apart from yet another howler of a decision!! Kohli not a happy bunny 😂, possible " naughty boy meeting" for him, but the shot selection of Burns, going quite well at the time, was something to be desired, as for Leach  , Game should be over before I get up Tuesday morning 🏏🏏🏏🏏🏏🏏🏏🏏🏏🏏🏏💤💤💤 |
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Post by absent on Feb 15, 2021 12:25:47 GMT
Kohli is out of order here. The umpire didn't give it out, the DRS gave it umpire's call and that is all there is to it.
I'd blame Pant celebrating the catch for distracting the umpire from giving the lbw more consideration before anyone else.
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 15, 2021 19:36:29 GMT
Yes, comprehensively outplayed. Small positives to be got from the match but Moeen and Leach and even Rory Burns for a time this morning and Ben Foakes. Struggling for any more. Move on to the next test now. Getting hammered like this could be a good learning curve and if they can use India’s example from their Australian tour or even from the first test it will be a big part of their test match education.
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Post by bluetornados on Feb 16, 2021 2:39:52 GMT
I am up now and will be watching at 4am, this game should be wrapped up within 4 days, the pitch is very poor for a test wicket.
Bring back Swanny who would have probably bowled the hosts out for 100 in each innings, hey i jest, if i don't laugh i will cry.
Root to bat all day for an unbeaten 99 with Laurence and Stokes as back up.
Come on England show us your backbone, dig in and make us proud.
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Post by eppinggas on Feb 16, 2021 11:28:09 GMT
I guess first to bat had an advantage, but we were soundly beaten there. I'd rather not hear about excuses about the pitch. Positives. We scored more in the 2nd innings...
Looking forward to a more civilised start time for the 3rd test.
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Post by bluetornados on Feb 16, 2021 11:41:32 GMT
Enjoyed Moeen Ali's 18 ball 43 at the end, he also took 8 match wickets, great keeping by Foakes, Leach took 6 wkts, not much else to add.
Roll on the 9am start 3rd test, an all-day cricket fest on wed 24th Feb.
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Post by irishrover on Feb 16, 2021 11:44:27 GMT
I guess first to bat had an advantage, but we were soundly beaten there. I'd rather not hear about excuses about the pitch. Positives. We scored more in the 2nd innings... Looking forward to a more civilised start time for the 3rd test. Yes I think it's inevitable that you will get at least one game like this on a tour of India. Anytime they win the toss it's going to make us strong underdogs - it's just how it works. We didn't stand up to the examination by spin very well really although it was high class bowling on a ridiculously helpful pitch. Hopefully we learn and move on. We've already overperformed expectations here - the smart money was on a whitewash going into this. The fact that we're right in this with 2 games to go is impressive. Only need one of the 2 remainders to break our way and we'd get at least a draw out of the series which would actually be a fantastic result. Beating India in India is probably harder currently than beating Australia in Australia. So this is still a good effort at this point but we need a response.
The Day/Nighter may be our best chance as it could perhaps bring swing into it at some point. I'll certainly appreciate the 9AM start time!
I agree that the umpiring was poor in this game. It was excellent in the first one but there seemed to be a constant breakdown in communication between onfield umpires and 3rd umpires which didn't help. I think perhaps the Indian umpires, who are quite inexperienced, were flustered by the pressure put on by having a crowd which obviously wasn't there in the first innings. They didn't seem to seperate themselves from the action and calm things down during flashpoints. Lots of mistakes made for both sides.
Interesting that India had such a meltdown at the end of Day 3 though given that they were clearly on course to win comfortably anyway - suggests that they are feeling a bit of pressure from that defeat in the first defeat. Should definitely be fines and warnings given out for that. I think Root did quite a good job of winding them up too by generally looking amused and chilled about the whole thing. Fundamental truth about cricket that - easiest and most universal way to wind oppositon players up is not to swear or resort to personal abuse - it's to look up smile and say 'don't worry, it's only a game...'
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Post by jackthegas on Feb 16, 2021 19:40:47 GMT
I’ve really enjoyed this series. England surpassed expectations in the first game. I actually felt that playing on flat pitches would render our spinners useless and would give India the best chance of winning. The danger of playing on a track that turns from the outset is that it could be a bit of a leveller. The BCCI have obviously reaches a different conclusion.
I just wanted to say something on the Moeen situation, and rotation in general actually. Firstly, someone has made a really, really big mistake here. We knew Bairstow, Wood, Buttler etc would be rotated well in advance of this tour. Why wasn’t the Mo situation communicated with the same clarity? It has been made clear that it was pre planned. Root’s post match comments basically throw a guy under the bus. To be clear, I don’t blame Root. Someone in the management team has really got the messaging wrong and it undoes a lot of good work. Due to Moeen’s languid style, I often think he cops more than his fair share of abuse. This won’t help.
Secondly, whilst I do think player rotation is important in this climate, and I find it frustrating to hear someone like Michael Vaughan spouting off given his generations inability to manage the likes of Trescothick and Harmision, I do think we seem to be back in a position where we are prioritising white ball cricket. Why couldn’t Mo and Buttler miss the white ball leg of the tour? All of the multi format players except Root and I think Chris woakes have missed at least two tests so far this winter. Presumably we’ll be at full strength for the white ball tour? I am not asking for Test cricket to be prioritised, but recognise that this series is important and at least give equal weighting to red and white ball cricket.
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Post by irishrover on Feb 17, 2021 12:17:49 GMT
I’ve really enjoyed this series. England surpassed expectations in the first game. I actually felt that playing on flat pitches would render our spinners useless and would give India the best chance of winning. The danger of playing on a track that turns from the outset is that it could be a bit of a leveller. The BCCI have obviously reaches a different conclusion. I just wanted to say something on the Moeen situation, and rotation in general actually. Firstly, someone has made a really, really big mistake here. We knew Bairstow, Wood, Buttler etc would be rotated well in advance of this tour. Why wasn’t the Mo situation communicated with the same clarity? It has been made clear that it was pre planned. Root’s post match comments basically throw a guy under the bus. To be clear, I don’t blame Root. Someone in the management team has really got the messaging wrong and it undoes a lot of good work. Due to Moeen’s languid style, I often think he cops more than his fair share of abuse. This won’t help. Secondly, whilst I do think player rotation is important in this climate, and I find it frustrating to hear someone like Michael Vaughan spouting off given his generations inability to manage the likes of Trescothick and Harmision, I do think we seem to be back in a position where we are prioritising white ball cricket. Why couldn’t Mo and Buttler miss the white ball leg of the tour? All of the multi format players except Root and I think Chris woakes have missed at least two tests so far this winter. Presumably we’ll be at full strength for the white ball tour? I am not asking for Test cricket to be prioritised, but recognise that this series is important and at least give equal weighting to red and white ball cricket. I think there's an underlying subtext though that players may be rotating themselves out for IPL reasons rather than for Covid related reasons. I feel that might be at the heart of some of the frustrations being expressed by ex-players. That they are somewhat indirectly accusing players of prioritising the T20 circut. In Moeen's case though that seems particularly unfair given that he did actually have Covid so he had a torrid winter and you can understand a desire to go home. I think it was Buttler that they seemed to be particularly targeting. Bottom line is though we are in weird times and it does seem wrong to be having a pop at players/management over this. England cricket has a pretty poor history of managing players who are experiencing these kind of issues so I'd rather they were too accommodating than the other way round. Ultuimately, tt's where we are, England management have been very clear on the principles around this from the start and we just need to get on with it. Is Vaughan even out there? I don't think he is - so it's a bit rich from people who are sitting at home with their families to be judging those who have been stuck in the bubble since Christmas.
I've really enjoyed this series as well. Thought the 1st day of the 2nd Test was as a good a day's Test cricket as you'll ever see. Momentum shifts either way throughout the day and shifts in balance between bat and ball as well as different types of bowling and batting approaches being effective at different moments in the day. It was compelling.
On the pitch - I think India needed a result so a result pitch was prepared. It's probably as simple as that. Although I have heard it suggested that it probably would have been like that anyway to an extent because by playing back to back Tests at the same ground the pitch was exposed to 5 days of baking sun in the week proceeding the game when it would normally have been under cover during that time. In other words it was always pretty likely to be a somewhat underpar track.
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Post by irishrover on Feb 17, 2021 15:01:48 GMT
I’ve really enjoyed this series. England surpassed expectations in the first game. I actually felt that playing on flat pitches would render our spinners useless and would give India the best chance of winning. The danger of playing on a track that turns from the outset is that it could be a bit of a leveller. The BCCI have obviously reaches a different conclusion. I just wanted to say something on the Moeen situation, and rotation in general actually. Firstly, someone has made a really, really big mistake here. We knew Bairstow, Wood, Buttler etc would be rotated well in advance of this tour. Why wasn’t the Mo situation communicated with the same clarity? It has been made clear that it was pre planned. Root’s post match comments basically throw a guy under the bus. To be clear, I don’t blame Root. Someone in the management team has really got the messaging wrong and it undoes a lot of good work. Due to Moeen’s languid style, I often think he cops more than his fair share of abuse. This won’t help. Secondly, whilst I do think player rotation is important in this climate, and I find it frustrating to hear someone like Michael Vaughan spouting off given his generations inability to manage the likes of Trescothick and Harmision, I do think we seem to be back in a position where we are prioritising white ball cricket. Why couldn’t Mo and Buttler miss the white ball leg of the tour? All of the multi format players except Root and I think Chris woakes have missed at least two tests so far this winter. Presumably we’ll be at full strength for the white ball tour? I am not asking for Test cricket to be prioritised, but recognise that this series is important and at least give equal weighting to red and white ball cricket. I think there's an underlying subtext though that players may be rotating themselves out for IPL reasons rather than for Covid related reasons. I feel that might be at the heart of some of the frustrations being expressed by ex-players. That they are somewhat indirectly accusing players of prioritising the T20 circut. In Moeen's case though that seems particularly unfair given that he did actually have Covid so he had a torrid winter and you can understand a desire to go home. I think it was Buttler that they seemed to be particularly targeting. Bottom line is though we are in weird times and it does seem wrong to be having a pop at players/management over this. England cricket has a pretty poor history of managing players who are experiencing these kind of issues so I'd rather they were too accommodating than the other way round. Ultuimately, tt's where we are, England management have been very clear on the principles around this from the start and we just need to get on with it. Is Vaughan even out there? I don't think he is - so it's a bit rich from people who are sitting at home with their families to be judging those who have been stuck in the bubble since Christmas.
I've really enjoyed this series as well. Thought the 1st day of the 2nd Test was as a good a day's Test cricket as you'll ever see. Momentum shifts either way throughout the day and shifts in balance between bat and ball as well as different types of bowling and batting approaches being effective at different moments in the day. It was compelling.
On the pitch - I think India needed a result so a result pitch was prepared. It's probably as simple as that. Although I have heard it suggested that it probably would have been like that anyway to an extent because by playing back to back Tests at the same ground the pitch was exposed to 5 days of baking sun in the week proceeding the game when it would normally have been under cover during that time. In other words it was always pretty likely to be a somewhat underpar track.
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Post by absent on Feb 17, 2021 17:41:42 GMT
Yes, essentially Joe Root showed a bit of immaturity I think. It is odd that Moeen has only been seen once on the tour, but that is because he got quarantined. He's still been away from home the same length of time as if he'd played all four tests so far.
Personally, I think if his decision to go home was known before this Test, then he shouldn't have been picked for it and in fact might as well have gone home earlier, but it isn't his fault he was picked.
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Post by absent on Feb 17, 2021 17:43:07 GMT
Oh, and Michael Vaughan is a cretin.
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Post by bluetornados on Feb 17, 2021 21:58:53 GMT
Oh, and Michael Vaughan is a cretin. Is this what you are upset about ? Michael Vaughan, who captained England in 51 of his 82 Tests, told the Test Match Special podcast: "This year is about winning the Ashes. I know there's a T20 World Cup but for English cricket it's about getting those Ashes back. "Surely the Test team takes preference over the T20 team. They should be getting all their eggs into the basket to make sure by the time they get to Australia they're a team that has played a lot of cricket together." |
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Post by absent on Feb 17, 2021 22:17:10 GMT
Oh, and Michael Vaughan is a cretin. Is this what you are upset about ? Michael Vaughan, who captained England in 51 of his 82 Tests, told the Test Match Special podcast: "This year is about winning the Ashes. I know there's a T20 World Cup but for English cricket it's about getting those Ashes back. "Surely the Test team takes preference over the T20 team. They should be getting all their eggs into the basket to make sure by the time they get to Australia they're a team that has played a lot of cricket together." No  |
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Post by eppinggas on Feb 18, 2021 10:18:44 GMT
I'm nowhere near as clued up as other people commenting here. India best price 4-7 for the 3rd test. (England 3-1 Draw 5-1) Views please!
A lot of 'unknowns' before it all kicks off. But given England played off the pitch in the last test, and in apparent turmoil off of it.
And India with their tails up... a draw unlikely and an Indian win?
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Post by lostinspace on Feb 18, 2021 20:14:34 GMT
I'm nowhere near as clued up as other people commenting here. India best price 4-7 for the 3rd test. (England 3-1 Draw 5-1) Views please! A lot of 'unknowns' before it all kicks off. But given England played off the pitch in the last test, and in apparent turmoil off of it. And India with their tails up... a draw unlikely and an Indian win? a case of "see what sort of wicket they have produced for the Indian team" if it resembles anything like the last one then don't get too excited |
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Post by absent on Feb 18, 2021 20:36:34 GMT
I'm nowhere near as clued up as other people commenting here. India best price 4-7 for the 3rd test. (England 3-1 Draw 5-1) Views please! A lot of 'unknowns' before it all kicks off. But given England played off the pitch in the last test, and in apparent turmoil off of it. And India with their tails up... a draw unlikely and an Indian win? India start as massive favourites, if they win the toss then it's game over, if we win the toss and then if we post a massive first innings score only then do we stand a chance |
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Post by irishrover on Feb 18, 2021 21:04:42 GMT
I'm nowhere near as clued up as other people commenting here. India best price 4-7 for the 3rd test. (England 3-1 Draw 5-1) Views please! A lot of 'unknowns' before it all kicks off. But given England played off the pitch in the last test, and in apparent turmoil off of it. And India with their tails up... a draw unlikely and an Indian win? I don't know anything about betting so don't take my advice!
What I would say though is that of the 2 remaining Tests I think England will be more hopeful of winning this one than the final one.
It's a day/night Test and no one really knows exactly what that will mean in India (possibly not very much) so there is a big unknown factor in this game and there will be a lot of pressure on the Indian side to deliver in what is a real showpiece occasion for them in front of what sounds like is going to be a big crowd. I don't think they will prepare a surface as friendly to them as the previous one because they'll want this one to go longer and be a bit of an event. Although all surfaces in India will heavily benefit the home side anyway so the difference in truth is quite negligible - the 1st Test conditions favoured them heavily too - they just played pretty badly. It's just a fact that England will always be up against it in Indian conditions anyway.
So India should be clear favourites but England will fancy themselves as frisky underdogs here.
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Post by Nobbygas on Feb 19, 2021 12:52:48 GMT
It's all down to the toss. India win it then it's game over. England win it then they have a fighting chance if they play very well.
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Post by eppinggas on Feb 19, 2021 20:33:04 GMT
Not exactly inside information. But my Sikh friend says if England are going to win another test - it will be in the 3rd day/nighter. He doesn't think India have played a day/night at test at home? England seamers could do well under the floodlights.
On balance, wait for the coin toss! And if India are still around 1-2 4-9 sort of thing... might be worth a go.
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