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Post by eppinggas on Nov 20, 2020 8:24:19 GMT
Ah, dont recall him playing for us. Would he come back... Wiki saying only 9 games on loan from Palace. I remember him playing for 10 man Rovers at Millwall (battered 4-0 after Leadbitter was sent off). And he was our MOTM that day. Tough tackling mid-fielder in the Ogogu mould.
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Post by laughinggas on Nov 20, 2020 8:53:33 GMT
Ah, dont recall him playing for us. Would he come back... Wiki saying only 9 games on loan from Palace. I remember him playing for 10 man Rovers at Millwall (battered 4-0 after Leadbitter was sent off). And he was our MOTM that day. Tough tackling mid-fielder in the Ogogu mould. Think he was referring to Tis and the fact he was at Rovers as a kid. Maybe. Or maybe he did mean Boetang, all left foot.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2020 9:13:31 GMT
Ah, dont recall him playing for us. Would he come back... Wiki saying only 9 games on loan from Palace. I remember him playing for 10 man Rovers at Millwall (battered 4-0 after Leadbitter was sent off). And he was our MOTM that day. Tough tackling mid-fielder in the Ogogu mould. Not in that mould for me. He can run and pass, for a start. I would happily have him back if we could get him.
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Post by Delsy on Nov 20, 2020 10:45:04 GMT
The other thing that has not been mentioned is that he is a very good cricketer. He was close to County 2s standard when younger and like the Nevilles could have played county cricket instead of football. Played 1st eleven for Biddestone last season - very good standard. My point: this guy is a bit different. Not everyone's cup of tea, but a more interesting character than Garner and Coughlan. Biddestone, that's a pretty good level, the home of Agatha Rasin and also now old Waggy from Glamorgan CC who will be trotting off over there for next season.
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Post by warehamgas on Nov 20, 2020 12:25:18 GMT
The other thing that has not been mentioned is that he is a very good cricketer. He was close to County 2s standard when younger and like the Nevilles could have played county cricket instead of football. Played 1st eleven for Biddestone last season - very good standard. My point: this guy is a bit different. Not everyone's cup of tea, but a more interesting character than Garner and Coughlan. That is indeed a very good standard of cricket - in fact only one division below the very top standard of club cricket in the Westcountry. Didn't know that about him - interesting. He's not exactly young either so he must be very decent to still be capable of playing at that level at his age.
Seemed like the logical appointment to me. Should have been made last January but ho-hum. I always rated him highly and thought he was destined for bigger things than us really so it should be an excellent appointment but I can't help but think that he achieved what he did at Exeter in quite a unique environment and over a long period of time where they got long-term results by sticking with him through a number of ups and downs. He might have to adapt to a more standard environment at Rovers and it didn't he look like he quite managed to achieve that at MK Dons in the end. So let's see how he goes. But it's got to be better than it has been surely......
Yes, he did have ups and downs at Exeter. Taking over when they were in the conference and getting them promoted early, playing good football and then getting another promotion up to League 1 meant some of his ups came early in his tenure. That always gives a manager more time because he’s earnt it. Fans are more forgiving. Any manager who manages one team for the length he did will always have downs as well and I guess Exeter who lost all their top players after a good League 1 season could never compete financially with other perhaps “bigger” teams, hence the following season’s relegation. But compared to where they were when he took over, when he left, Exeter were in a far, far better place and that is largely due to him as a manager. His time at MKD is strange, within 12 games of promotion he’s sacked in the midst of a large injury crisis when at times he had no fit strikers. Something perhaps went on but whatever it was it never looked like the best fit. Perhaps it was simply he wasn’t Karl Robinson, I don’t know. I think and hope it’s a better fit here. I think he will be different to anything we’ve ever had and maybe an acquired taste. As ever, amongst all his pronouncements, his idiosyncratic way of doing things and his singular character he will be judged on winning football matches. Get enough of those wins and he’ll be a great success, not enough and he’ll struggle. Fingers crossed. UTG!
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Post by Rex on Nov 20, 2020 12:35:08 GMT
Shhhhhheeeeedhead
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Nov 20, 2020 13:36:52 GMT
Shhhhhheeeeedhead yes there is that as well. I remember boateng, was here in Clarke era where you get mom you are benched next match, don’t track back to help defence you never get a game. Sense the player didn’t fit. More a Wenger midfielder than a mourinho one. I am happy with this appointment. Happy to get behind him. But every fan needs some patience now, because regardless who got hired so much the squad is inexperience and nowhere near top nine this season.
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Post by Rex on Nov 20, 2020 14:22:54 GMT
Shhhhhheeeeedhead yes there is that as well. I remember boateng, was here in Clarke era where you get mom you are benched next match, don’t track back to help defence you never get a game. Sense the player didn’t fit. More a Wenger midfielder than a mourinho one. I am happy with this appointment. Happy to get behind him. But every fan needs some patience now, because regardless who got hired so much the squad is inexperience and nowhere near top nine this season. Absolutely, I will back any new appointment, as I did with Garner, until the evidence suggests it isn't working, which in Garner's case was pretty damn quickly.
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Post by irishrover on Nov 20, 2020 15:41:01 GMT
That is indeed a very good standard of cricket - in fact only one division below the very top standard of club cricket in the Westcountry. Didn't know that about him - interesting. He's not exactly young either so he must be very decent to still be capable of playing at that level at his age.
Seemed like the logical appointment to me. Should have been made last January but ho-hum. I always rated him highly and thought he was destined for bigger things than us really so it should be an excellent appointment but I can't help but think that he achieved what he did at Exeter in quite a unique environment and over a long period of time where they got long-term results by sticking with him through a number of ups and downs. He might have to adapt to a more standard environment at Rovers and it didn't he look like he quite managed to achieve that at MK Dons in the end. So let's see how he goes. But it's got to be better than it has been surely......
Yes, he did have ups and downs at Exeter. Taking over when they were in the conference and getting them promoted early, playing good football and then getting another promotion up to League 1 meant some of his ups came early in his tenure. That always gives a manager more time because he’s earnt it. Fans are more forgiving. Any manager who manages one team for the length he did will always have downs as well and I guess Exeter who lost all their top players after a good League 1 season could never compete financially with other perhaps “bigger” teams, hence the following season’s relegation. But compared to where they were when he took over, when he left, Exeter were in a far, far better place and that is largely due to him as a manager. His time at MKD is strange, within 12 games of promotion he’s sacked in the midst of a large injury crisis when at times he had no fit strikers. Something perhaps went on but whatever it was it never looked like the best fit. Perhaps it was simply he wasn’t Karl Robinson, I don’t know. I think and hope it’s a better fit here. I think he will be different to anything we’ve ever had and maybe an acquired taste. As ever, amongst all his pronouncements, his idiosyncratic way of doing things and his singular character he will be judged on winning football matches. Get enough of those wins and he’ll be a great success, not enough and he’ll struggle. Fingers crossed. UTG! Agreed. Sorry, I think my post comes across as needlessly negative. I'm not. I think this is about as good an appointment as we could have managed and as decent a managerial pedigree as I can remember us appointing for a while (maybe since Mcghee - easy to forget that he was a relatively big name appointment at the time). I'm quite excited because I think he might deliver the 'real deal' on this player development/half decent football strategy whereas Garner didn't seem capable of it. Tisdale is a proven quantity as he has done exactly this before and should be a good fit.
I just meant that, as was often stated, there was something quite special and unique about the whole arrangement at Exeter during the time he was there. A real synergy between the fans, manager, owners and players and a real sense that there was a project where everyone pulling in the same direction. From outside it was quite easy to envy given that it seemed at least a little bit like the Rovers Twerton era. With the best will in the World that is not likely to be replicated at Rovers (or probably anywhere else). It doesn't mean that he can only succeed in that environment but I can imagine that he will have to work quite differently and in a very different culture with us. It will be interesting to see how he approaches that becaue he always seemed very single minded in his approach and values - which is a good thing in a manager but I wonder how tolerant our club culture (from the board to the fans) would be of that. We're about to find out I think.
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Post by traveling_wilbury on Nov 20, 2020 16:32:48 GMT
According to Wiki he went to school in Bath and was with Rovers from 1984 to 1987 (ages 11 to 14) before joining Southampton.
Between 1991 and 2000 he only made 74 League appearances.
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Post by warehamgas on Nov 20, 2020 16:54:59 GMT
Irish, I didn’t take it as negative, just a description of what’s happened. I was agreeing and thinking that over 12 years it can’t be all ups and more ups can it? Exeter are a bog-standard League two team who will punch above their weight in league one for a few years depending on their players at the time. But, inevitably there have to be downs. I’m also excited in a way about this appointment because it’s one that I’ve almost expected and thought should happen when we made appointments in 2011 (or perhaps 2010), 2012 and 2019 (Dec). That it didn’t made me think it wasn’t going to happen. But in terms of what has happened over this year in terms of Wael putting an imprint of what he wants as a football club it now seems a good fit.
Of course ‘Tis won't manage exactly as he did at Exeter for the reasons you’ve said and for the reason that he is also different, he’s gone through other stuff and had other experiences.. I’m sure there will be a greater sense of realism with an experienced manager insofar as he should realise that amongst the visionary stuff, the playing of good football, the development of youth there must be a practical aim of winning football matches consistently. BG seemed to lose that and think the performance was more important than the result. Listening to Tisdale yesterday he was quite strong on the need to win matches and move up the table, he mentioned it several times. So I’m hopeful that will be the case. I thought he did a good job at MKD from an outside POV and they pulled the plug on him incredibly quickly, I’m sure he will have taken something from that in dealing with owners, chairmen who aren’t like those at Exeter, which was fan-owned and poor for much of his tenure.
Time will tell. UTG!
Edit: When I called Exeter “bog-standard” that was not meant as a criticism or intention to be rude, just as a description to explain most of their history. Nothing wrong with being that, we’ve been a pretty bog-standard 3rd Division team for most of my life.
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Post by irishrover on Nov 20, 2020 17:49:01 GMT
Irish, I didn’t take it as negative, just a description of what’s happened. I was agreeing and thinking that over 12 years it can’t be all ups and more ups can it? Exeter are a bog-standard League two team who will punch above their weight in league one for a few years depending on their players at the time. But, inevitably there have to be downs. I’m also excited in a way about this appointment because it’s one that I’ve almost expected and thought should happen when we made appointments in 2011 (or perhaps 2010), 2012 and 2019 (Dec). That it didn’t made me think it wasn’t going to happen. But in terms of what has happened over this year in terms of Wael putting an imprint of what he wants as a football club it now seems a good fit. Of course ‘Tis won't manage exactly as he did at Exeter for the reasons you’ve said and for the reason that he is also different, he’s gone through other stuff and had other experiences.. I’m sure there will be a greater sense of realism with an experienced manager insofar as he should realise that amongst the visionary stuff, the playing of good football, the development of youth there must be a practical aim of winning football matches consistently. BG seemed to lose that and think the performance was more important than the result. Listening to Tisdale yesterday he was quite strong on the need to win matches and move up the table, he mentioned it several times. So I’m hopeful that will be the case. I thought he did a good job at MKD from an outside POV and they pulled the plug on him incredibly quickly, I’m sure he will have taken something from that in dealing with owners, chairmen who aren’t like those at Exeter, which was fan-owned and poor for much of his tenure. Time will tell. UTG! Edit: When I called Exeter “bog-standard” that was not meant as a criticism or intention to be rude, just as a description to explain most of their history. Nothing wrong with being that, we’ve been a pretty bog-standard 3rd Division team for most of my life. I think another point is that there's something to be said for taking a club over at such a low ebb. It's fair to say that the bar is currently set quite low so as long as we are basically moving in the right direction ironically he will probably get the time that Garner felt he needed to impose his play on the club. The difference is Garner made a rod for his own back by trying to do that from a position where we were 4th in the league and, evidence suggests, wasn't capable of doing it anyway. Tisdale has previous in demonstrating that he definitely can do this and can take advantage of relatively low expectations to really bed in. That makes me pretty optimistic right now.
By the way - to those who know of Paul Tisdale's cricket career. Do you have any more details about his Westcountry club cricket connections? I mean if he grew up in Bath did he play for either Bath CC or Lansdown CC? Genuinely interested from the point of view of being a complete saddo on this sort of stuff and am surprised I didn't know this before.
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Nov 23, 2020 10:56:57 GMT
According to Wiki he went to school in Bath and was with Rovers from 1984 to 1987 (ages 11 to 14) before joining Southampton. Between 1991 and 2000 he only made 74 League appearances. how many games did he play for City?
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Nov 23, 2020 12:13:23 GMT
According to Wiki he went to school in Bath and was with Rovers from 1984 to 1987 (ages 11 to 14) before joining Southampton. Between 1991 and 2000 he only made 74 League appearances. how many games did he play for City? 6. Scoring 1.
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Nov 24, 2020 5:03:09 GMT
how many games did he play for City? 6. Scoring 1. I suppose that’s forgivable? Ultimately we have to be grown up about it. Show some respect to those eking out a career in the game? I would go as far as to say, perhaps a public apology isn’t even required.
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