harrybuckle
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Post by harrybuckle on Oct 6, 2020 10:55:55 GMT
An opportunity for some of our fringe and Academy youngsters to get some minutes for Ben to run the rule over them.
Van shotstoper,Zain Walker, Michael Kelly, Ed Upson, Alfie Kigour,Alex Rodman, Cam Hargreaves, Harry Warwick and Kieron Phillips.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2020 11:03:07 GMT
It's just plain insulting to even suggest that Garner should, or ever could assess the ability of players with the experience of Upson and Rodman. Quite the opposite in fact, they should push him aside and organise training and match day selection and tactics themselves.
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TaiwanGas
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Post by TaiwanGas on Oct 6, 2020 11:26:57 GMT
I thought the Academy players lived in a bubble and BG had never heard or spoken to any of them.
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simonj
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Post by simonj on Oct 6, 2020 12:35:24 GMT
It's just plain insulting to even suggest that Garner should, or ever could assess the ability of players with the experience of Upson and Rodman. Quite the opposite in fact, they should push him aside and organise training and match day selection and tactics themselves. Every thread....YAWN
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simonj
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Post by simonj on Oct 6, 2020 12:36:54 GMT
An opportunity for some of our fringe and Academy youngsters to get some minutes for Ben to run the rule over them. Van shotstoper,Zain Walker, Michael Kelly, Ed Upson, Alfie Kigour,Alex Rodman, Cam Hargreaves, Harry Warwick and Kieron Phillips. Yes, has to play fringe players and those needing game time, but also imperative to gather some cohesion of play.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Oct 6, 2020 12:39:14 GMT
Boycott this boycott trophy...... Geoff n
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Igitur
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Post by Igitur on Oct 6, 2020 13:49:02 GMT
Unless the rules have changed for this dreadful Trophy, a certain number of the team which played in the previous league game(s) have to play in each trophy game. Also remember we got fined for subbing our regular keeper after five minutes or so.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2020 14:06:08 GMT
I want nothing to do with it Degg.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2020 14:12:09 GMT
An opportunity for some of our fringe and Academy youngsters to get some minutes for Ben to run the rule over them. Van shotstoper,Zain Walker, Michael Kelly, Ed Upson, Alfie Kigour,Alex Rodman, Cam Hargreaves, Harry Warwick and Kieron Phillips. Yes, has to play fringe players and those needing game time, but also imperative to gather some cohesion of play. How can we develop cohesion if the side is completely different from Saturday? How can a scratch side be cohesive especially when we are being told all the time that we can’t judge until after ten games because the side needs time to gel? Why isn’t Garner using every opportunity to get his preferred side to gel? He acts like he’s Alex Ferguson resting big players when he’s struggling for wins, if we were top of the table and had proved ourselves early on I could understand it but at no point in his time here has earned the right to treat the cups like an opportunity to rest players or give fringe players a chance.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2020 14:13:57 GMT
Yes, has to play fringe players and those needing game time, but also imperative to gather some cohesion of play. How can we develop cohesion if the side is completely different from Saturday? How can a scratch side be cohesive especially when we are being told all the time that we can’t judge until after ten games because the side needs time to gel? Why isn’t Garner using every opportunity to get his preferred side to gel? He acts like he’s Alex Ferguson resting big players when he’s struggling for wins, if we were top of the table and had proved ourselves early on I could understand it but at no point in his time here has earned the right to treat the cups like an opportunity to rest players or give fringe players a chance. He hasn't even named the team yet, has he?
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simonj
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Post by simonj on Oct 6, 2020 14:52:21 GMT
Yes, has to play fringe players and those needing game time, but also imperative to gather some cohesion of play. How can we develop cohesion if the side is completely different from Saturday? How can a scratch side be cohesive especially when we are being told all the time that we can’t judge until after ten games because the side needs time to gel? Why isn’t Garner using every opportunity to get his preferred side to gel? He acts like he’s Alex Ferguson resting big players when he’s struggling for wins, if we were top of the table and had proved ourselves early on I could understand it but at no point in his time here has earned the right to treat the cups like an opportunity to rest players or give fringe players a chance. He might well play 'his best 11', we don't know yet. Has to tinker surely, see if there is any form amongst the squad whilst playing, even in this mickey mouse it's different to training.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2020 15:17:56 GMT
How can we develop cohesion if the side is completely different from Saturday? How can a scratch side be cohesive especially when we are being told all the time that we can’t judge until after ten games because the side needs time to gel? Why isn’t Garner using every opportunity to get his preferred side to gel? He acts like he’s Alex Ferguson resting big players when he’s struggling for wins, if we were top of the table and had proved ourselves early on I could understand it but at no point in his time here has earned the right to treat the cups like an opportunity to rest players or give fringe players a chance. He hasn't even named the team yet, has he? I’m going by Instagram where apparently a good number of the youth/reserves have travelled
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GasMacc1
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Post by GasMacc1 on Oct 6, 2020 15:27:04 GMT
Unless the rules have changed for this dreadful Trophy, a certain number of the team which played in the previous league game(s) have to play in each trophy game. Also remember we got fined for subbing our regular keeper after five minutes or so. I think we can make 10 or 11 changes if we want, if I'm reading the rules (below) correctly. (Six outfield players can change; Goalkeeper can change; Jaydon Mitchell-Lawson on loan from a Cat 1 Academy; Ed Upson has made more than 40 appearances; Alfie Kilgour is probably on the list of ten players at the club with the most starting appearances in the same season, as are Luke Leahy and Alex Rodman). Link to Rules of EFL Trophy7.3 Each EFL Club shall play its Full Available Strength in and during all Matches. Full Available Strength means the EFL Club must include at least four Qualifying Players in the ten outfield Players named in the starting eleven on the Team Sheet. 7.4 Qualifying Player means any Player who: 7.4.1 had started the immediately preceding First Team Fixture (as defined below); 7.4.2 subsequently starts the immediately following First Team Fixture; 7.4.3 is in the list of ten Players at the Club with the highest number of starting appearances in First Team Fixtures in the same Season; 7.4.4 has made forty or more starting appearances in First Team Fixtures or international equivalents (and not limited to the same Club or Season); or 7.4.5 is on standard loan from a Premier League Club or any EFL Club operating a Category One Academy. 7.5 First Team Fixture means the League Competition, Premier League, EFL Cup or FA Challenge Cup (but shall, in the context of Rules 7.4.3 and 7.4.4 only, also include this Competition). 7.6 Any EFL Club failing to meet the requirement to play Full Available Strength will be required to pay a fine of up to £5,000.
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GasMacc1
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Post by GasMacc1 on Oct 6, 2020 15:30:51 GMT
I make no apology for repeating (as I do at every round) my reason for the boycott:
"We need to highlight that the changes to this competition could be the first step to inclusion of B teams in the lower leagues. That would destroy the integrity of the Football League and, through the consequent devaluation of the League matches, lead towards the demise of clubs who normally play at the lower corners of the Football League pyramid".
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eppinggas
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Post by eppinggas on Oct 6, 2020 15:50:26 GMT
I make no apology for repeating (as I do at every round) my reason for the boycott: "We need to highlight that the changes to this competition could be the first step to inclusion of B teams in the lower leagues. That would destroy the integrity of the Football League and, through the consequent devaluation of the League matches, lead towards the demise of clubs who normally play at the lower corners of the Football League pyramid". Horrible thought. The EFL are begging the Govt / Premier League for financial support. It does not sound forthcoming. What if the price of that Premiership support was allowing their "B" Teams into the lower leagues?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2020 16:16:55 GMT
He hasn't even named the team yet, has he? I’m going by Instagram where apparently a good number of the youth/reserves have travelled Fair enough. I didn't even know where it was being played and don't do Instagram or Twitter. Professional footballers can easily play Sat / Tues / Sat these days, what with bespoke training and diet regimes, vitamin supplements etc etc, so I agree, if the argument is one of these players 'gelling' then we should name whatever team we intend starting with on Saturday.
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Post by c4h10 on Oct 6, 2020 16:24:31 GMT
From Saturday's programme: "A concept favoured by many European leagues (and vilified by many followers of EFL football) is the idea of 'B Teams competing alongside professional senior sides. Though the 3 Liga allows these second teams to play in the league, such as Bayern Munich's reserve side who currently compete, they are unable to gain promotion to the second tier under any circumstances". So, the real teams are being used for the big boys to practise against. What a farce! Keep boycotting, folks, for the sake of proper competitive football.
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Post by laughinggas on Oct 6, 2020 17:36:31 GMT
I’m going by Instagram where apparently a good number of the youth/reserves have travelled Fair enough. I didn't even know where it was being played and don't do Instagram or Twitter. Professional footballers can easily play Sat / Tues / Sat these days, what with bespoke training and diet regimes, vitamin supplements etc etc, so I agree, if the argument is one of these players 'gelling' then we should name whatever team we intend starting with on Saturday. So Josh Hare back from long term injury should, in your opinion, play tonight.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2020 17:54:13 GMT
Fair enough. I didn't even know where it was being played and don't do Instagram or Twitter. Professional footballers can easily play Sat / Tues / Sat these days, what with bespoke training and diet regimes, vitamin supplements etc etc, so I agree, if the argument is one of these players 'gelling' then we should name whatever team we intend starting with on Saturday. So Josh Hare back from long term injury should, in your opinion, play tonight. If we intend using him on Saturday then he ought to be fit enough to play some part tonight I would have thought. But as said, 'If the argument is one of continuity' it's you who has now introduced the variable of re-integrating players coming back from injury, not me. I think that's an attempt at what's called a Strawman.
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harrybuckle
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Post by harrybuckle on Oct 6, 2020 18:16:24 GMT
One nil up at Kassam young Tom Mehew 12 mins.
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