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Post by 1883 on Sept 27, 2020 11:40:44 GMT
Stay classy. He may not be up to the job, but he seems like a nice bloke who’s giving his all to be a success here. It’s not working, but not sure he deserves the tasteless name-calling. I accept what you're saying, but obviously disagree. Name calling isn't the lowest form of offence. Insulting fans intelligence is worse (decisions? missed opportunities? the journey? not enough training?) and I take great offence at BG talking BS so for me name calling is fair game, class or no class. BG took the gloves off.. I don’t agree that BG is insulting the intelligence of the fans, I think he’s just a young manager who’s out of his depth & knows his job is on the line. He’s not the first and won’t be the last under-pressure manager to make excuses in his post-match pressers. There’s many valid football criticisms that can be justifiably thrown at BG without resorting to lazy & childish name-calling. He’s a bloke who’s doing his best and going through what must be the toughest period of his professional career. He’s just a struggling human being, not a .
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Post by mangogas15 on Sept 27, 2020 12:23:27 GMT
Are the Cowley brothers fixed up with a job yet? They’d get the best out f this squad. No to Ollie, Cotterill (shudder) or squeaky Lee from me. Maybe to Pulis if we could get him but there is risk that he would be another Graydon or McGhee. Undecided on Duff, yes to Tisdale Cowley is a good shout
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2020 12:54:22 GMT
I accept what you're saying, but obviously disagree. Name calling isn't the lowest form of offence. Insulting fans intelligence is worse (decisions? missed opportunities? the journey? not enough training?) and I take great offence at BG talking BS so for me name calling is fair game, class or no class. BG took the gloves off.. I don’t agree that BG is insulting the intelligence of the fans, I think he’s just a young manager who’s out of his depth & knows his job is on the line. He’s not the first and won’t be the last under-pressure manager to make excuses in his post-match pressers. There’s many valid football criticisms that can be justifiably thrown at BG without resorting to lazy & childish name-calling. He’s a bloke who’s doing his best and going through what must be the toughest period of his professional career. He’s just a struggling human being, not a . I would stop short of swearing, but he's certainly daft to take a job that he's obviously got no idea how to do. I wouldn't storm into CERN and try to run the place, so what on earth got into his head thinking he had the faintest idea how to manage at this level?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2020 13:03:31 GMT
I wouldn't storm into CERN and try to run the place, so what on earth got into his head thinking he had the faintest idea how to manage at this level? Garner didn't storm into Rovers though, he was either invited, or he applied and was appointed. I am beginning to see @vertigo's point that we rather undermine a manager by discussing his replacement. Also, having invested so much in Garnerball players (discarding Clarke and Coughlan singings) I rather think we should not then sack the manager they were signed for, until our season ends.
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Post by 1883 on Sept 27, 2020 13:06:35 GMT
I don’t agree that BG is insulting the intelligence of the fans, I think he’s just a young manager who’s out of his depth & knows his job is on the line. He’s not the first and won’t be the last under-pressure manager to make excuses in his post-match pressers. There’s many valid football criticisms that can be justifiably thrown at BG without resorting to lazy & childish name-calling. He’s a bloke who’s doing his best and going through what must be the toughest period of his professional career. He’s just a struggling human being, not a . I would stop short of swearing, but he's certainly daft to take a job that he's obviously got no idea how to do. I wouldn't storm into CERN and try to run the place, so what on earth got into his head thinking he had the faintest idea how to manage at this level? In fairness he was well within his right to apply for the job - and probably felt that his coaching experience at a higher level stood him in good stead to take the reigns with us. The error lies with the person/people who gave him the job, especially at a time when we were crying out for an internal appointment to keep the ship steady.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2020 13:26:47 GMT
I wouldn't storm into CERN and try to run the place, so what on earth got into his head thinking he had the faintest idea how to manage at this level? Garner didn't storm into Rovers though, he was either invited, or he applied and was appointed. I am beginning to see @vertigo's point that we rather undermine a manager by discussing his replacement. Also, having invested so much in Garnerball players (discarding Clarke and Coughlan singings) I rather think we should not then sack the manager they were signed for, until our season ends. Far to sensible Shoveler. Last season is past. We start the new season with a new set of players picked by the manager to implement his vision. 3 games in against opposition who I doubt we would have got much more from in terms of points with any of the squads we have had over the last couple of years. Personally I would look for progress over the next 7 games and review at ten games into the season This is a longer term project it seems to me, it may fail, but you won't know that for sure with this current squad after three games.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2020 13:28:28 GMT
I would stop short of swearing, but he's certainly daft to take a job that he's obviously got no idea how to do. I wouldn't storm into CERN and try to run the place, so what on earth got into his head thinking he had the faintest idea how to manage at this level? In fairness he was well within his right to apply for the job - and probably felt that his coaching experience at a higher level stood him in good stead to take the reigns with us. The error lies with the person/people who gave him the job, especially at a time when we were crying out for an internal appointment to keep the ship steady. Like who? Maher? The owner clearly has his own vision for the club which transcends the first 3 games.
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Post by 1883 on Sept 27, 2020 13:41:26 GMT
In fairness he was well within his right to apply for the job - and probably felt that his coaching experience at a higher level stood him in good stead to take the reigns with us. The error lies with the person/people who gave him the job, especially at a time when we were crying out for an internal appointment to keep the ship steady. Like who? Maher? The owner clearly has his own vision for the club which transcends the first 3 games. Given the league position we were in (league table-wise) when Coughlan left, I thought the gig should have gone to Maher or Hargreaves, and then we could have reassessed in the summer. As it was, we threw a rookie manager into the very difficult position of trying to maintain our incredible form whilst at the same time attempting to transform the playing style. Many said they would give BG a clean slate from this summer, but everywhere you look there are Rovers fans citing his abysmal record over his 24 games in charge, not just the last 3.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 27, 2020 14:01:26 GMT
I accept what you're saying, but obviously disagree. Name calling isn't the lowest form of offence. Insulting fans intelligence is worse (decisions? missed opportunities? the journey? not enough training?) and I take great offence at BG talking BS so for me name calling is fair game, class or no class. BG took the gloves off.. I don’t agree that BG is insulting the intelligence of the fans, I think he’s just a young manager who’s out of his depth & knows his job is on the line. He’s not the first and won’t be the last under-pressure manager to make excuses in his post-match pressers. There’s many valid football criticisms that can be justifiably thrown at BG without resorting to lazy & childish name-calling. He’s a bloke who’s doing his best and going through what must be the toughest period of his professional career. He’s just a struggling human being, not a . You may mitigate the depth, knowledge, youth, and security of his job once or twice....you may even be gracious to mitigate it more, you may be his mum and see no bad in anything of the judgementd that BG has made, that's your prerogative. After 20+ matches, this has worn thinner than thin. Kitchen and heat. To me, BG post match comments are insulting. It's worse than being called names which don't hurt. It's bound to provoke a reaction. I think the p word is too kind, because at least that is demonstrably useful. Again, you might disagree. The choice of language is up to the poster, and all I can say is there's nothing wrong with expressing opinion that doesn't invite or incite violence....so yes, it is fair game, if you pay, then you're entitled to say. Class doesn't come into it. Where's the classiness in blaming everything around you without taking responsibility when you're the so say manager?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2020 14:03:45 GMT
I would stop short of swearing, but he's certainly daft to take a job that he's obviously got no idea how to do. I wouldn't storm into CERN and try to run the place, so what on earth got into his head thinking he had the faintest idea how to manage at this level? In fairness he was well within his right to apply for the job - and probably felt that his coaching experience at a higher level stood him in good stead to take the reigns with us. The error lies with the person/people who gave him the job, especially at a time when we were crying out for an internal appointment to keep the ship steady. Yes, he probably did think that his previous jobs meant that he was able to do this one, but performances and results over 20+ games demonstrate that he was wrong. Also, whilst I'm not finding the links again, his time at other clubs hasn't always ended in leaving parties and hysterical sobbing at his departure. In fact, one incoming new manager made it a condition of him taking the job that Garner was kept away from the players! Totally agree, at this point it's no longer his fault, he should have gone at the end of last season, the finger now points at Wael.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2020 14:06:22 GMT
I wouldn't storm into CERN and try to run the place, so what on earth got into his head thinking he had the faintest idea how to manage at this level? Garner didn't storm into Rovers though, he was either invited, or he applied and was appointed. I am beginning to see @vertigo 's point that we rather undermine a manager by discussing his replacement. Also, having invested so much in Garnerball players (discarding Clarke and Coughlan singings) I rather think we should not then sack the manager they were signed for, until our season ends. In which case, I hope these players can do something useful for us in L2, because that's where we are going with them playing and Loser Boy managing them.
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Post by 1883 on Sept 27, 2020 15:12:56 GMT
In fairness he was well within his right to apply for the job - and probably felt that his coaching experience at a higher level stood him in good stead to take the reigns with us. The error lies with the person/people who gave him the job, especially at a time when we were crying out for an internal appointment to keep the ship steady. Yes, he probably did think that his previous jobs meant that he was able to do this one, but performances and results over 20+ games demonstrate that he was wrong. Hindsight though, init? He clearly felt ready to give it a go and Wael & Starnes clearly agreed - despite the fact he’d have surely been amongst the least experienced of the 50+ candidates who would have applied. That’s on them IMO, not him. All he did was throw his hat in the ring, they were the ones who chose to put it on. I’m sure had he known at the time how disastrously it would all go, that application email would have stayed in drafts.
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Post by knowall on Sept 27, 2020 15:26:42 GMT
Yes, he probably did think that his previous jobs meant that he was able to do this one, but performances and results over 20+ games demonstrate that he was wrong. Hindsight though, init? He clearly felt ready to give it a go and Wael & Starnes clearly agreed - despite the fact he’d have surely been amongst the least experienced of the 50+ candidates who would have applied. That’s on them IMO, not him. All he did was throw his hat in the ring, they were the ones who chose to put it on. I’m sure had he known at the time how disastrously it would all go, that application email would have stayed in drafts. If I was Garner I would sack the manager!
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Sept 27, 2020 16:05:40 GMT
I am not ignoring results now. But I’d like to watch these under Garner Saturday 3rd October LEAGUE ONE Bristol Rovers 15:00 Northampton Tow Saturday 10th October LEAGUE ONE Lincoln City 15:00 Bristol Rover Saturday 17th October LEAGUE ONE Bristol Rovers 15:00 Burton Albio Tuesday 20th October LEAGUE ONE Shrewsbury Town 19:45 Bristol Rover Predicting 2 points out of these four games at best. For all those (including some normally sane posters) claiming to be able to see what Garnerball is all about, I'm sorry to break the bad news to you but the Emperor is stark bollock naked.
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Post by Global Gas on Sept 27, 2020 16:37:19 GMT
We have an inexperienced manager with a team that haven't been playing together for very long. We're getting the results that would be expected. Bringing in a new manager would solve part of that but more than likely set the team back a bit. I think the TEAM deserve 10 games before anything drastic is done in my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2020 18:24:16 GMT
Hindsight though, init? He clearly felt ready to give it a go and Wael & Starnes clearly agreed - despite the fact he’d have surely been amongst the least experienced of the 50+ candidates who would have applied. That’s on them IMO, not him. All he did was throw his hat in the ring, they were the ones who chose to put it on. I’m sure had he known at the time how disastrously it would all go, that application email would have stayed in drafts. If I was Garner I would sack the manager! Not if it meant losing his weekly wage you wouldn't. His reputation is already shot, he won't ever work as a manager again, so he'll just stand there and allow this to continue, take the dosh and wait for the inevitable.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2020 18:25:44 GMT
I've thought long and hard about this. I didn't like winner Graham Coughlan. I don't like loser Ben Garner. Not at all. I find him self-interested and vain. His interviews are all whine and bluster. He doesn't take responsibility for himself. He needs to change, and to do so fast. But I will not call for his sacking. His performance should be reviewed in May. Earlier if it's mathematically over before. I really think we should give this team and management time to improve, and that we should be a little classier when discussing their employment and termination. It's up to each of you, and I feel your anger, but I think we're better than this.
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Post by 1883 on Sept 27, 2020 18:31:08 GMT
If I was Garner I would sack the manager! Not if it mean losing his weekly wage you wouldn't. His reputation is already shot, he won't ever work as a manager again, so he'll just stand there and allow this to continue, take the dosh and wait for the inevitable. Exactly, which is why I find it laughable that some expect BG to realise he’s out of his depth & just walk. It ain’t happening, lads. Unless Wael pulls the trigger, Garner’s going nowhere.
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Post by bluetornados on Sept 27, 2020 18:35:48 GMT
If I was Garner I would sack the manager! Not if it mean losing his weekly wage you wouldn't. His reputation is already shot, he won't ever work as a manager again, so he'll just stand there and allow this to continue, take the dosh and wait for the inevitable.BG - A bit like that Gray Raydon fellow back in the day, it took an age to get rid of him. Graham Coughlan in 1 year became our best full-time manager, stats wise, for 35 years.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2020 18:37:51 GMT
Not if it mean losing his weekly wage you wouldn't. His reputation is already shot, he won't ever work as a manager again, so he'll just stand there and allow this to continue, take the dosh and wait for the inevitable. Exactly, which is why I find it laughable that some expect BG to realise he’s out of his depth & just walk. It ain’t happening, lads. Unless Wael pulls the trigger, Garner’s going nowhere. The only missing ingredient is self respect. But as said yesterday, Wael has a problem, if he sacks his manager 5 competitive games in to a season he'll have that whining northern clag Savage shouting about how ridiculous a club we are on Radio 5. Hang on a moment. Maybe that's the answer. Savage, can't get through a sentence without talking about himself. Bang average in football terms. Part of the worst PL team ever. Garner's future is in being rude to callers on a live radio show.
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