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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2020 18:39:05 GMT
I've thought long and hard about this. I didn't like winner Graham Coughlan. I don't like loser Ben Garner. Not at all. I find him self-interested and vain. His interviews are all whine and bluster. He doesn't take responsibility for himself. He needs to change, and to do so fast. But I will not call for his sacking. His performance should be reviewed in May. Earlier if it's mathematically over before. I really think we should give this team and management time to improve, and that we should be a little classier when discussing their employment and termination. It's up to each of you, and I feel your anger, but I think we're better than this. Daft. That's just wishing for relegation. Why?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2020 19:01:22 GMT
No respect shown in this thread. Utter contempt shown in a typical social media dog**it way. Shameful but expected There has been ONE comment that was uncalled for, which btw was pointed out in the very next post, other than that, there is not one single untoward comment. Watch Ben Garners interview and his comments about referees if you are looking for a lack of respect though. I wish this myth of Garner being a nice man would die a death (along with the use of the word “project” in association with his name). He comes across as full of hubris and has yet to claim personal responsibility for anything. I keep thinking with each passing week that he is going to finally address his appalling record as a manager and yet he finds all sorts of ridiculous reasons to put it off, he blamed the distance to Portman road iirc in the cup defeat. He is turning his culpability into an elephant in the room during his interviews and his blaming of the ref and over-use of the word “decisions” has only compounded that.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 27, 2020 19:01:37 GMT
I've thought long and hard about this. I didn't like winner Graham Coughlan. I don't like loser Ben Garner. Not at all. I find him self-interested and vain. His interviews are all whine and bluster. He doesn't take responsibility for himself. He needs to change, and to do so fast. But I will not call for his sacking. His performance should be reviewed in May. Earlier if it's mathematically over before. I really think we should give this team and management time to improve, and that we should be a little classier when discussing their employment and termination. It's up to each of you, and I feel your anger, but I think we're better than this. Agree with some of this. Disagree with the May comments. If we stick to May or our mathematical relegation before, it's way way too late. When now, today, we can activate changes (or a migration of BG)..
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2020 19:06:10 GMT
I don’t agree that BG is insulting the intelligence of the fans, I think he’s just a young manager who’s out of his depth & knows his job is on the line. He’s not the first and won’t be the last under-pressure manager to make excuses in his post-match pressers. There’s many valid football criticisms that can be justifiably thrown at BG without resorting to lazy & childish name-calling. He’s a bloke who’s doing his best and going through what must be the toughest period of his professional career. He’s just a struggling human being, not a . I would stop short of swearing, but he's certainly daft to take a job that he's obviously got no idea how to do. I wouldn't storm into CERN and try to run the place, so what on earth got into his head thinking he had the faintest idea how to manage at this level? He was an assistant in the Indian premier league coaching Kolkotta warriors or whoever it was for 6 months. So he obviously thought that made his CV look pretty appealing to a league one team in 4th.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2020 19:06:52 GMT
Daft. That's just wishing for relegation. Why? Daft, I may be, but daft was also sacking managers once or twice a season until we became a non-league club. And I'm certainly not wishing for relegation. I'm wishing for this new team and manager to do their jobs and to win some games.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2020 19:20:55 GMT
Daft. That's just wishing for relegation. Why? Daft, I may be, but daft was also sacking managers once or twice a season until we became a non-league club. And I'm certainly not wishing for relegation. I'm wishing for this new team and manager to do their jobs and to win some games. Here's a challenge for you Mr Quilt Stuffing Bloke. Find me the last manager in English professional football who has started off with 2 wins from 23 and survived in the job to lead his team into the 24th fixture?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2020 19:22:32 GMT
Exactly, which is why I find it laughable that some expect BG to realise he’s out of his depth & just walk. It ain’t happening, lads. Unless Wael pulls the trigger, Garner’s going nowhere. The only missing ingredient is self respect. But as said yesterday, Wael has a problem, if he sacks his manager 5 competitive games in to a season he'll have that whining northern clag Savage shouting about how ridiculous a club we are on Radio 5. Hang on a moment. Maybe that's the answer. Savage, can't get through a sentence without talking about himself. Bang average in football terms. Part of the worst PL team ever. Garner's future is in being rude to callers on a live radio show. I suspect it’s quite the opposite. 5 live love a good opportunity to pearl clutch on managers not being given a chance but even they would be asking “why is he still there!”. In fact that makes me think the only reason Garner is getting away with this is because we are a fairly obscure lower league club. Imagine if Mike Ashley hired a manager and still kept him in post after 2 wins in a calendar year. The media would be in over drive branding him a disgrace, saying he doesn’t care about the club, managed decline, won’t someone think of the poor suffering fans etc. 2 wins in 24 games would be a massive story in the goldfish bowl of the prem but because it’s little old Bristol Rovers either no-one gives a s**t or it’s just something to laugh about
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Post by swissgas on Sept 27, 2020 19:38:43 GMT
The only missing ingredient is self respect. But as said yesterday, Wael has a problem, if he sacks his manager 5 competitive games in to a season he'll have that whining northern clag Savage shouting about how ridiculous a club we are on Radio 5. Hang on a moment. Maybe that's the answer. Savage, can't get through a sentence without talking about himself. Bang average in football terms. Part of the worst PL team ever. Garner's future is in being rude to callers on a live radio show. I suspect it’s quite the opposite. 5 live love a good opportunity to pearl clutch on managers not being given a chance but even they would be asking “why is he still there!”. In fact that makes me think the only reason Garner is getting away with this is because we are a fairly obscure lower league club. Imagine if Mike Ashley hired a manager and still kept him in post after 2 wins in a calendar year. The media would be in over drive branding him a disgrace, saying he doesn’t care about the club, managed decline, won’t someone think of the poor suffering fans etc. 2 wins in 24 games would be a massive story in the goldfish bowl of the prem but because it’s little old Bristol Rovers either no-one gives a s*** or it’s just something to laugh about I think Rovers are undergoing a mismanaged decline.
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Sept 27, 2020 22:11:07 GMT
I am not ignoring results now. But I’d like to watch these under Garner Saturday 3rd October LEAGUE ONE Bristol Rovers 15:00 Northampton Tow Saturday 10th October LEAGUE ONE Lincoln City 15:00 Bristol Rover Saturday 17th October LEAGUE ONE Bristol Rovers 15:00 Burton Albio Tuesday 20th October LEAGUE ONE Shrewsbury Town 19:45 Bristol Rover Predicting 2 points out of these four games at best. For all those (including some normally sane posters) claiming to be able to see what Garnerball is all about, I'm sorry to break the bad news to you but the Emperor is stark bollock naked. six points or more from those games and you will run stark naked down Gloucester Rd with a sausage up your arse? look, he is going to be here for at least those four games, I’m not convinced he’ll get the six points, though we might as well skulk around this board for something else to argue about for the coming days. 😈
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Post by Rex on Sept 27, 2020 22:34:29 GMT
I was fuming after his interview yesterday, in the cold light of morning , it probably won't do much sacking him now without a Plan B- which I suspect we don't have, but we need to start having some sort of back up plan. If they don't sack Garner now, they at least need to be having the 'This is where we are, this is where we need to be, in this time frame' kind of conversation with him. No conversation you can have with Loser Boy will change anything, he isn't capable of doing the job. Let's put it this way, you stand in front of a pure, uncut diamond and have the owner of the mine talk to you for a bit about how to cut that stone. Are you now able to cut it? Wael is every bit as much to blame for this mess as Garner. Who I've never liked. No idea why people on multiple threads here are saying that he seems like a nice bloke. Listen to any of his interviews to get an insight into the bloke, everything is framed around 'I' and 'me', he comes across as horribly self centred.I think it's quite interesting how people have varying views on different people. I don't want to get into a political debate on this, but I find it intriguing that I think it's 'obvious' that Trump and Johnson are charlatans and Corbyn is a decent bloke (not Pm material btw) yet others would think quite the opposite. I also thought Coughlan came across as a decent bloke and Garner seems a bit of a creepy f**ker ! Opinions eh! pin
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2020 22:51:26 GMT
No conversation you can have with Loser Boy will change anything, he isn't capable of doing the job. Let's put it this way, you stand in front of a pure, uncut diamond and have the owner of the mine talk to you for a bit about how to cut that stone. Are you now able to cut it? Wael is every bit as much to blame for this mess as Garner. Who I've never liked. No idea why people on multiple threads here are saying that he seems like a nice bloke. Listen to any of his interviews to get an insight into the bloke, everything is framed around 'I' and 'me', he comes across as horribly self centred.I think it's quite interesting how people have varying views on different people. I don't want to get into a political debate on this, but I find it intriguing that I think it's 'obvious' that Trump and Johnson are charlatans and Corbyn is a decent bloke (not Pm material btw) yet others would think quite the opposite. I also thought Coughlan came across as a decent bloke and Garner seems a bit of a creepy fer ! Opinions eh! pin But Corbyn keeps getting arrested for no social distance, no mask and talking b*ll*cks at rallies about how this virus thing as all a hoax. I liked Coughlan. His first couple of interviews were a bit painful, obviously nobody bothered giving him any media training, but he was just a normal bloke who told it how he saw it.
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Post by crater on Sept 28, 2020 7:26:56 GMT
Some managers may get a little longer to turn things around this season as club owners usually act when attendances fall
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Post by mangogas15 on Sept 28, 2020 7:41:39 GMT
No conversation you can have with Loser Boy will change anything, he isn't capable of doing the job. Let's put it this way, you stand in front of a pure, uncut diamond and have the owner of the mine talk to you for a bit about how to cut that stone. Are you now able to cut it? Wael is every bit as much to blame for this mess as Garner. Who I've never liked. No idea why people on multiple threads here are saying that he seems like a nice bloke. Listen to any of his interviews to get an insight into the bloke, everything is framed around 'I' and 'me', he comes across as horribly self centred.I think it's quite interesting how people have varying views on different people. I don't want to get into a political debate on this, but I find it intriguing that I think it's 'obvious' that Trump and Johnson are charlatans and Corbyn is a decent bloke (not Pm material btw) yet others would think quite the opposite. I also thought Coughlan came across as a decent bloke and Garner seems a bit of a creepy fer ! Opinions eh! pin I liked Coughlan
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Post by Rex on Sept 28, 2020 8:21:28 GMT
I think it's quite interesting how people have varying views on different people. I don't want to get into a political debate on this, but I find it intriguing that I think it's 'obvious' that Trump and Johnson are charlatans and Corbyn is a decent bloke (not Pm material btw) yet others would think quite the opposite. I also thought Coughlan came across as a decent bloke and Garner seems a bit of a creepy fer ! Opinions eh! pin I liked Coughlan As a bloke you mean? I did as well, like Bambi said he just seemed an ordinary bloke wanting to do his job , I thought his lack of media training was a bonus! However, I know a lot of Rovers fans who couldn't stand him. Horses for courses I suppose.
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Post by chelt_gas on Sept 28, 2020 8:31:27 GMT
As a bloke you mean? I did as well, like Bambi said he just seemed an ordinary bloke wanting to do his job , I thought his lack of media training was a bonus! However, I know a lot of Rovers fans who couldn't stand him. Horses for courses I suppose. I got the impression that the players related to Coughlam being a recent lower league pro and heart on his sleeve guy. Garner seems a product of the prem coach culture which just reminds me of a paint by numbers manufactured pop group. I do hope it clicks but I fear the longer we are from a win the harder it will become.
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Post by mangogas15 on Sept 28, 2020 9:05:11 GMT
As a bloke you mean? I did as well, like Bambi said he just seemed an ordinary bloke wanting to do his job , I thought his lack of media training was a bonus! However, I know a lot of Rovers fans who couldn't stand him. Horses for courses I suppose. I got the impression that the players related to Coughlam being a recent lower league pro and heart on his sleeve guy. Garner seems a product of the prem coach culture which just reminds me of a paint by numbers manufactured pop group. I do hope it clicks but I fear the longer we are from a win the harder it will become. Coughlan was a football man
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Post by eppinggas on Sept 28, 2020 9:10:26 GMT
I think I've posed this question before... but here goes again. Why did we give BG the job with a paper thin CV and no managerial experience (coaching aside)? Is there a personal tie with Wael that goes back to chelski / west London? If I'm wrong - fine. But I just can't see why he was in the frame when GC got the job, and why he was fast-tracked in when GC went post-Ipswich. An away win and Tom Nichols scored. Crikey. One to live long in the memory.
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Post by laughinggas on Sept 28, 2020 9:32:59 GMT
We did try to talk to Nathan Jones first.
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 28, 2020 10:48:32 GMT
Like who? Maher? The owner clearly has his own vision for the club which transcends the first 3 games. Given the league position we were in (league table-wise) when Coughlan left, I thought the gig should have gone to Maher or Hargreaves, and then we could have reassessed in the summer. As it was, we threw a rookie manager into the very difficult position of trying to maintain our incredible form whilst at the same time attempting to transform the playing style. Many said they would give BG a clean slate from this summer, but everywhere you look there are Rovers fans citing his abysmal record over his 24 games in charge, not just the last 3. I’d have done the same with Maher or Hargreaves but when GC left I just feel that Wael thought the new appointment could come in and settle into the job. We were in no danger of going down, I don’t honestly think we’d have gone up (although at that stage no one thought the season would come down to ppg as it did). So Wael thought perhaps, settle into a new, better style ready for next season and then go from there. Nothing wrong with that except BG is finding it hard to get his players to replicate the style he wants and he can’t get a win from them. Good idea perhaps but just the wrong manager, so far. UTG!
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Post by Delsy on Sept 28, 2020 10:52:35 GMT
I think I've posed this question before... but here goes again. Why did we give BG the job with a paper thin CV and no managerial experience (coaching aside)? Is there a personal tie with Wael that goes back to chelski / west London? If I'm wrong - fine. But I just can't see why he was in the frame when GC got the job, and why he was fast-tracked in when GC went post-Ipswich. An away win and Tom Nichols scored. Crikey. One to live long in the memory.
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