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Post by syg on Sept 5, 2020 17:25:19 GMT
I just realised that I didn't notice him, I don't think that's happened before, was there actually a ref? I'm making him my motm, hopefully that will be the way of refs to come, but ummm, well it won't.
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Post by Colyton Gas. on Sept 5, 2020 17:38:28 GMT
Yes he was very good,very fit and did a great job.Normally people blame the ref for their teams deficiencies but today it was down to our being outmuscled all over.The second goal was simply a total embarrassment.
Good to read a positive report on the Ref.Recall last year when we were lucky to win at Argyle(Rodman) in some Cup or other one Forum Member was slagging off the Ref and he was quite outstanding.
P.S Perhaps today's ref can play up front?
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Sept 6, 2020 10:39:05 GMT
I thought he was bit of a homer actually.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 6, 2020 16:23:40 GMT
I thought he was bit of a homer actually. Do you mean overweight, lazy, less than intelligent, beer drinking but essence has a charm and charisma with heart of gold? |
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Post by GasMacc1 on Sept 6, 2020 19:10:21 GMT
He's previously refereed us in last season's home game against Accrington (3-3, where JCH scored that overhead kick and Accrington had a man sent off) and the 0-0 at Tranmere. In 2018-19, he was in charge of the 1-1 away at Portsmouth, where JCH scored one penalty and ballooned another over the bar.
It's only his third season in the Football League.
I don't recall any major outrages in any of the above games. A rare, decent ref!
In yesterday's game, I thought he was OK. The only thing that annoyed me was that Ipswich seemed to be nudging our players just before we attempted to head the ball. For example, before their player ran through and nearly lobbed van Stappershoef, he only got the chance because another Ipswich player had clattered into Max Ehmer just before he went to head the long punt forward from their keeper.
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Post by GasMacc1 on Sept 9, 2020 13:28:02 GMT
Ignore the above - what do you mean, you did anyway!
The ref on Saturday against Ipswich was Will Finnie. It's only his second season in the Football League. He'd only refereed us once before: the draw at the Memorial Stadium in the FA Cup against Plymouth. A game that was not without controversy, as I recall.
My mistake was believing the caption which appeared at the start of the iFollow stream, which stated that our referee at Portman Road was to be Neil Hair. My earlier post refers to Mr Hair.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2020 18:38:06 GMT
An old chestnut I know. But wouldn't ex players be better off becoming referees. Rather than managers. They know the game inside out. I understand the problem with allegiances but surely that could be resolved.
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Post by Rex on Sept 10, 2020 6:16:55 GMT
An old chestnut I know. But wouldn't ex players be better off becoming referees. Rather than managers. They know the game inside out. I understand the problem with allegiances but surely that could be resolved. I suspect most prefer the option of being able to slate the referee from the the safety of a pundit's chair rather than have to actually go and do the job themselves. Many 'poor' refereeing decisions would resolve themselves if players stopped cheating and managers stopped encouraging them to cheat. |
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Post by mangogas15 on Sept 10, 2020 6:46:19 GMT
My son Referee's kids football and the abuse they get is finally starting to filter out and diminish at the young age groups, especially when they wear the purple top which is the FA's code for 'I am under 16'.
The older the kids get the more competitive they get, the more they foul, if the Ref doesn't get on top of it from the first foul, they think they can keep doing it, which gets the opposition parents and coaches angry and who do they blame? Exactly, the 16 year old kid in the middle.
My lad gets a lot of praise from parents, a lot of thank you's and gets paid £20 a pop.
The other week we did have a parent dispute and moan about a line call (when there are no linesmen at u10s) and the Ref was right btw, to which he said 'Do you want to come and Ref the game? If not please be quiet'.
It's a positive thing for teenagers to do because the kids really respect them and it gives them confidence. As well as earning. It has to keep going as these are the next generation of Refs. The FA are crying out for them and too many give up because of the abuse.
L1 Refs will still get a buzz at 3pm just the same as players, they are part of it.
It will only be if respect is shown by players and managers that it will finally start to filter down, instead of the onus and responsibility and accountability being on Grass Roots football again. It has to come from the top.
You try Refereeing a game with no linesmen when the coach tries to deceive you and says 'That went out Ref..' and you were 16. They Ref it how they see it and that is what they are taught, VAR is a huge step for the top Refs, good, they needed the support, now we have it don't moan. My lad doesn't have it for those line calls.
Well done the Ref.
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Post by irishrover on Sept 11, 2020 12:02:06 GMT
An old chestnut I know. But wouldn't ex players be better off becoming referees. Rather than managers. They know the game inside out. I understand the problem with allegiances but surely that could be resolved. I suspect most prefer the option of being able to slate the referee from the the safety of a pundit's chair rather than have to actually go and do the job themselves. Many 'poor' refereeing decisions would resolve themselves if players stopped cheating and managers stopped encouraging them to cheat. It might also help if they paid them what the game implies that they are worth.
The way managers, fans, players bang on about refs you'd think they were the most important person on the field and therefore must be raking it in.
Instead, I think that even relative to other sports, most referees below the Prem level (where they are obviously some of the best paid in the World) are paid appallingly relative to the amount of money that is in the game and that applies across the board.
I do cricket umpiring sometimes at the lowest possible level. For this I get paid £40 and it would be very easy for me to be paid £60 a game if I wanted to take it more seriously and get the proper qualifications. I could then umpire two games a weekend, a couple of midweek evening games, University/Junior Representative/School games. At the height of the summer it's quite possible to make upwards of £250 a week umpiring if you're prepared to do any kind of game. You don't even have to be any good - it's just that cricket values it's officials and players do not want to umpire their own games (which they could easily do) because it's less fun. All of this would be a pretty low level of cricket. Start taking it seriously (which I don't) and get good at it so that you're on the top list of club level of umpires and you can make even more than that and start doing Junior County games, Minor Counties, Women's Counties etc. None of that requires a huge amount of effort on behalf of potential umpires beyond a couple of courses, banking the experience and being well reviewed.
Compare that with my mate in Bristol who is a serious referee reffing at Western League level and running the line up to Conference South standard and it's staggering. If he's a linesman he has to travel with the ref to save on expenses and you might have to go somewhere like Margate which eats all the money and it's up to the ref to dole it out to his officials. He's quite ambitious so he will quite regularly take onerous away games at short notice for a Tuesday night and regularly receives no actual money for this because it's all been burned away getting to the game. This is at level a where some players are on full-time money.
It's just ridiculous how poorly they are paid. It's hardly surprising that lots end up jacking it in and the pool of potential refs becomes smaller. There's only certain types of people that are able to do it anyway for work reasons, then many quit because they can't really afford to keep going. The whole thing stinks - I don't know why refs put up with it because they are getting utterly screwed by a game that could quite easily afford to pay them what they are worth. If bloody amateur cricket can pay it's officials decently even at atrociously low levels - there is absolutely no excuse for semi-professional football failing to do so. So why an earth would an ex-pro who has made a decent living out of the game subject himself to that?
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