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Post by eppinggas on Aug 13, 2020 10:06:06 GMT
1. I've been moving match day threads around the forum - so any problems, please let me know.
2. Re-reading the match reports from Shrewsbury and Southend... makes you realise how the mood has changed so dramatically. This is down to the commitment shown by Wael Al-Qadi. Seems like we are now all giving Ben Garner at least another 6 months to prove himself with the new-look squad. Looking back at the mood late Feb/early March, I don't think BG had any support at all. Any. UTG.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Aug 13, 2020 10:17:37 GMT
"Looking back at the mood late Feb/early March, I don't think BG had any support at all. Any."
Hmmmm I'm a little concerned by this. Which may be very small.
Perhaps the player's and dressing room were confused by BG ideas on the game? Or maybe as a group they couldn't execute what he was getting at?
But....if the implications are he couldn't draw support because of attitude rather than attainment, this opens up the debate down a line somewhere unexpected..
I view it slightly differently. With no professional football experience, no managerial experience and I don't even know if he's captained his school side, my view of BG's leadership skills aren't very high.
The player's deserve a chance.
Under his leadership, we'll see.
There's no doubt GC and DC provided a team/squad that mostly (1 exception) gave lots for the shirt and the team spirit was largely commended.... that should be the minimum.
I'm just not so sure BG can bring this out of the players on an individual and team platform, but I'm more than happy to be proven wrong..
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Post by TaiwanGas on Aug 13, 2020 10:33:57 GMT
I hope I am wrong, but I see us getting bullied when the new season starts, not convinced at all that the style of play that BG wants will bring us the success we yearn. In my book he is already on borrowed time, we need to start the season well to have any hope that the players will buy into Garnerball.
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Post by simonj on Aug 13, 2020 11:11:26 GMT
"Looking back at the mood late Feb/early March, I don't think BG had any support at all. Any." Hmmmm I'm a little concerned by this. Which may be very small. Perhaps the player's and dressing room were confused by BG ideas on the game? Or maybe as a group they couldn't execute what he was getting at? But....if the implications are he couldn't draw support because of attitude rather than attainment, this opens up the debate down a line somewhere unexpected.. I view it slightly differently. With no professional football experience, no managerial experience and I don't even know if he's captained his school side, my view of BG's leadership skills aren't very high. The player's deserve a chance. Under his leadership, we'll see. There's no doubt GC and DC provided a team/squad that mostly (1 exception) gave lots for the shirt and the team spirit was largely commended.... that should be the minimum. I'm just not so sure BG can bring this out of the players on an individual and team platform, but I'm more than happy to be proven wrong.. He did enough to get the job, to remain in the job and to be invested in....I am more than happy to see where he takes his team, some players with experience, some young promising fellas but all who have bought into his ideas.
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Post by simonj on Aug 13, 2020 11:13:10 GMT
I hope I am wrong, but I see us getting bullied when the new season starts, not convinced at all that the style of play that BG wants will bring us the success we yearn. In my book he is already on borrowed time, we need to start the season well to have any hope that the players will buy into Garnerball. Big keeper, tough centre half and a big striker who does the bullying. We will be alright. |
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Post by eppinggas on Aug 13, 2020 12:36:59 GMT
"Looking back at the mood late Feb/early March, I don't think BG had any support at all. Any."Hmmmm I'm a little concerned by this. Which may be very small. Perhaps the player's and dressing room were confused by BG ideas on the game? Or maybe as a group they couldn't execute what he was getting at? But....if the implications are he couldn't draw support because of attitude rather than attainment, this opens up the debate down a line somewhere unexpected.. I view it slightly differently. With no professional football experience, no managerial experience and I don't even know if he's captained his school side, my view of BG's leadership skills aren't very high. The player's deserve a chance. Under his leadership, we'll see. There's no doubt GC and DC provided a team/squad that mostly (1 exception) gave lots for the shirt and the team spirit was largely commended.... that should be the minimum. I'm just not so sure BG can bring this out of the players on an individual and team platform, but I'm more than happy to be proven wrong.. Ah - I was actually talking about supporters and the pretty toxic atmosphere that was around the Club at the time. Having said that I think the dressing room was, well let's say, a little bit less than 100% supportive of the manager at the time. But it's a very different squad now, and not the one he inherited. Hope springs eternal. |
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Post by basel on Aug 13, 2020 12:59:41 GMT
I hope I am wrong, but I see us getting bullied when the new season starts, not convinced at all that the style of play that BG wants will bring us the success we yearn. In my book he is already on borrowed time, we need to start the season well to have any hope that the players will buy into Garnerball. Yep,I hope our midfield can battle for the ball as Ollie and Abu can. I assume Josh Garner can stick a tackle in,not sure about the rest. |
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Post by laughinggas on Aug 13, 2020 13:13:13 GMT
Ollie was given the chance to stay.
Contact did not suit him.
Ogogo not good enough.
These days more about pressing opponents than sliding round on arse.
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Post by mangogas15 on Aug 13, 2020 13:16:41 GMT
I hope I am wrong, but I see us getting bullied when the new season starts, not convinced at all that the style of play that BG wants will bring us the success we yearn. In my book he is already on borrowed time, we need to start the season well to have any hope that the players will buy into Garnerball. Yeah, 0-2 home to Wimbledon... Hope not |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Aug 13, 2020 18:03:13 GMT
"Looking back at the mood late Feb/early March, I don't think BG had any support at all. Any." Hmmmm I'm a little concerned by this. Which may be very small. Perhaps the player's and dressing room were confused by BG ideas on the game? Or maybe as a group they couldn't execute what he was getting at? But....if the implications are he couldn't draw support because of attitude rather than attainment, this opens up the debate down a line somewhere unexpected.. I view it slightly differently. With no professional football experience, no managerial experience and I don't even know if he's captained his school side, my view of BG's leadership skills aren't very high. The player's deserve a chance. Under his leadership, we'll see. There's no doubt GC and DC provided a team/squad that mostly (1 exception) gave lots for the shirt and the team spirit was largely commended.... that should be the minimum. I'm just not so sure BG can bring this out of the players on an individual and team platform, but I'm more than happy to be proven wrong.. He did enough to get the job, to remain in the job and to be invested in....I am more than happy to see where he takes his team, some players with experience, some young promising fellas but all who have bought into his ideas.
Hey, we're all different. In theory, on paper, conceptually BG may talk a good game. But this is third division football. Uncompromising and physical. It's tough enough on proven players and management teams, so I think I'll reserve judgement until something more evidential presents itself. Mainly because I was at Southend! |
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Post by basel on Aug 13, 2020 18:45:20 GMT
I hope I am wrong, but I see us getting bullied when the new season starts, not convinced at all that the style of play that BG wants will bring us the success we yearn. In my book he is already on borrowed time, we need to start the season well to have any hope that the players will buy into Garnerball. Big keeper, tough centre half and a big striker who does the bullying. We will be alright. Hope so Simon (and the spine you mention is a good point) because the midfield might not be so tough,although Josh Grant can play CH or middle middle, so I assume he can stick a tackle in. The BG era is different to anything we've seen before at Rovers.He is still abit of a mystery and so he may of been slowly laying foundations,but his points return has been disastrous. Still all theory it seems and so it's natural some Gasheads (%?) are nervous about the practice. Maybe BGs recently signed Assistant will be a great plus. I can't remember a Rovers Manager- possibly - starting a season under so much pressure. The GC exit and end of a promotion challenge, quite rightly baffled and angered plenty. BGs pitiful points return and bar Sunderland, awful football. A Summer that has seen our El Presidente back him completely. There is a question mark over Ben,but I'll be cheering them on. |
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Post by basel on Aug 13, 2020 18:47:52 GMT
Ollie was given the chance to stay. Contact did not suit him. Ogogo not good enough. These days more about pressing opponents than sliding round on arse. Except when there is an open ball to be won.Then it's speed,bravery and the want to battle for the ball. You earn the right to pass the ball. This scenario in football matches has not disappeared. |
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Post by simonj on Aug 13, 2020 20:08:44 GMT
Ollie was given the chance to stay. Contact did not suit him. Ogogo not good enough. These days more about pressing opponents than sliding round on arse. Except when there is an open ball to be won.Then it's speed,bravery and the want to battle for the ball. You earn the right to pass the ball. This scenario in football matches has not disappeared. I wanted Ollie to stay, however, despite liking a tackle, plenty bemoaned his 15 min booking per game, pretty much leaving this part of his game void. |
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Post by simonj on Aug 13, 2020 20:11:20 GMT
Big keeper, tough centre half and a big striker who does the bullying. We will be alright. Hope so Simon (and the spine you mention is a good point) because the midfield might not be so tough,although Josh Grant can play CH or middle middle, so I assume he can stick a tackle in. The BG era is different to anything we've seen before at Rovers.He is still abit of a mystery and so he may of been slowly laying foundations,but his points return has been disastrous. Still all theory it seems and so it's natural some Gasheads (%?) are nervous about the practice. Maybe BGs recently signed Assistant will be a great plus. I can't remember a Rovers Manager- possibly - starting a season under so much pressure. The GC exit and end of a promotion challenge, quite rightly baffled and angered plenty. BGs pitiful points return and bar Sunderland, awful football. A Summer that has seen our El Presidente back him completely. There is a question mark over Ben,but I'll be cheering them on. thing is Basel, I never believed in the GC promotion bid, and I certainly couldn't put up with that style for much longer. suffering performance over results is a young mans game. |
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Post by Rex on Aug 13, 2020 20:31:07 GMT
Hope so Simon (and the spine you mention is a good point) because the midfield might not be so tough,although Josh Grant can play CH or middle middle, so I assume he can stick a tackle in. The BG era is different to anything we've seen before at Rovers.He is still abit of a mystery and so he may of been slowly laying foundations,but his points return has been disastrous. Still all theory it seems and so it's natural some Gasheads (%?) are nervous about the practice. Maybe BGs recently signed Assistant will be a great plus. I can't remember a Rovers Manager- possibly - starting a season under so much pressure. The GC exit and end of a promotion challenge, quite rightly baffled and angered plenty. BGs pitiful points return and bar Sunderland, awful football. A Summer that has seen our El Presidente back him completely. There is a question mark over Ben,but I'll be cheering them on. I really enjoyed the games under GC, I have never really thought football has to be played any particular way and to be honest, I find the Premier League, for all it's abundance of talent, deadly dull. Gerry Francis's side had plenty of critics, especially from south of the river, I thought it was bloody brilliant! |
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Post by a more piratey game on Aug 13, 2020 21:20:01 GMT
"Looking back at the mood late Feb/early March, I don't think BG had any support at all. Any." Hmmmm I'm a little concerned by this. Which may be very small. Perhaps the player's and dressing room were confused by BG ideas on the game? Or maybe as a group they couldn't execute what he was getting at? But....if the implications are he couldn't draw support because of attitude rather than attainment I remember it being said that the players really liked training under BG, and that spirits were very good, but it didn't create good results |
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Post by basel on Aug 13, 2020 21:30:13 GMT
Hope so Simon (and the spine you mention is a good point) because the midfield might not be so tough,although Josh Grant can play CH or middle middle, so I assume he can stick a tackle in. The BG era is different to anything we've seen before at Rovers.He is still abit of a mystery and so he may of been slowly laying foundations,but his points return has been disastrous. Still all theory it seems and so it's natural some Gasheads (%?) are nervous about the practice. Maybe BGs recently signed Assistant will be a great plus. I can't remember a Rovers Manager- possibly - starting a season under so much pressure. The GC exit and end of a promotion challenge, quite rightly baffled and angered plenty. BGs pitiful points return and bar Sunderland, awful football. A Summer that has seen our El Presidente back him completely. There is a question mark over Ben,but I'll be cheering them on. thing is Basel, I never believed in the GC promotion bid, and I certainly couldn't put up with that style for much longer. suffering performance over results is a young mans game. None of us can predict the future,but it's a fact,that we were in the promotion race and improving when GC left. I was fascinated by his football.Watching individuals improve the team improve,winning tackles and possibly grinding out results.Loved it. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2020 21:45:06 GMT
I remember it being said that the players really liked training under BG, and that spirits were very good, but it didn't create good results Well the last phrase is accurate, anyway. |
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Post by simonj on Aug 14, 2020 7:20:33 GMT
thing is Basel, I never believed in the GC promotion bid, and I certainly couldn't put up with that style for much longer. suffering performance over results is a young mans game. None of us can predict the future,but it's a fact,that we were in the promotion race and improving when GC left. I was fascinated by his football.Watching individuals improve the team improve,winning tackles and possibly grinding out results.Loved it. Eye of the beholder, each to their own and so on. He defo got results and it can be argued that is everything in football. I wish him well, but time to put our faith and hope into BG. |
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Post by basel on Aug 14, 2020 7:44:24 GMT
None of us can predict the future,but it's a fact,that we were in the promotion race and improving when GC left. I was fascinated by his football.Watching individuals improve the team improve,winning tackles and possibly grinding out results.Loved it. Eye of the beholder, each to their own and so on. He defo got results and it can be argued that is everything in football. I wish him well, but time to put our faith and hope into BG. Absolutely agree,I will be cheering BGs team on,no doubt about that.Ben had nothing to do with GCs exit. The 'passing game' Gasheads got their way,from El Presidente to the terraces but it appears to of been at the expense of a genuine promotion chance.A high price to pay,especially as so far BG has failed regarding results and any style on the field of play. "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder" but some can see beauty in different styles of the game. GC did a fantastic job,we could now be looking forward to a 2nd tier season.That is a perfectly realistic view.He did not deserve to be sacrificed at the alter of the glorious "passing game". As Paul Trollope use to say "we are where we are" (where is PT?) and as I 'said' I'll be cheering on the BG Rovers. |
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