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Post by mangogas15 on Aug 6, 2020 9:52:21 GMT
www.google.com/amp/s/www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/didnt-chance--paul-buckle-4398678.ampInteresting reading. Can't believe its 9 years ago This was my first season as a ST holder, in the Family Stand, the atmosphere from the Blackthorn end at least was toxic to say the least at times. It's too easy to just say 'he was a tw*t, therefore he failed'. There has to be balance to these things. I think he was naive, brought in a lot of players at once, lost Kuffour very early on. It could have worked, had Virgo not got injured maybe. If Zebroski had really clicked. I think we lacked depth in defence. Add to all of that, he lost the fans after the Port Vale game with his infamous lower expectations quote which became a chant. There are two sides to every story and we have had his. Interesting he has not succeeded since in this country. Says a lot IMO. Maybe the experience damaged his hunger or confidence. Maybe the board should have appointed OSC in hindsight, would we have been bottom at New Year?
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Post by Igitur on Aug 6, 2020 11:13:50 GMT
Article is delusional twiddle twaddle from, “I was one of the better younger managers around at that point..." to “There was a lot of thought that went into that, and did it work? No it didn’t.”
And yes, he was a tw*t, therefore he failed
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Post by mangogas15 on Aug 6, 2020 12:55:16 GMT
1st team v Wimbledon
Bevan Smith Brown Anthony Virgo Stanley Gill Zebroski Anyinsah Harrold McGleish
Subs Bolger Carayol Brown (not Lee) Lines Kuffour
3-2 away win at Wimbledon.
Quite an attacking line up, Stanley was a waste the whole season, Gill wasn't a bad player.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2020 21:48:51 GMT
Its interesting in that i sometimes felt that some of the players wanted ben garner to fail this time around. But as a manager you have to work around that situation as coughlan did with lines and bennett for example. Coughlan did not select people who did not want to give everything for the team or did not buy into his method's. Hopefully garner now has a squad totally onboard with his plans.
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Post by mangogas15 on Aug 7, 2020 8:49:41 GMT
Its interesting in that i sometimes felt that some of the players wanted ben garner to fail this time around. But as a manager you have to work around that situation as coughlan did with lines and bennett for example. Coughlan did not select people who did not want to give everything for the team or did not buy into his method's. Hopefully garner now has a squad totally onboard with his plans. I agree with your comments about Garner, interesting to see who has left. It's not as if GC was sacked, seasoned pro's appeared to be incapable of buying into a new manager's style. GC gave them simple instructions and they kept their place and earned the shirt by following them. If they didn't they were replaced. As a kid's football coach I really bought into this way of managing especially after Darrells tinkering towards the end. Nichols sacrificed his game a lot of the time to provide the link to JCH. GC acknowledged that and kept playing him. BG comes in and it appears unclear what the strategy was apart from not being hard to beat or horrible to play against. It seemed to be have the least amount of possession/shots and try to pick up points. Rodman took on his style and was one of the better players 2nd half of the season. I just hope we can see a clearer style and philosophy this season with hungry, more technical players who can adapt to Ben's plans.
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Post by Rex on Aug 7, 2020 12:53:01 GMT
Article is delusional twiddle twaddle from, “I was one of the better younger managers around at that point..." to “There was a lot of thought that went into that, and did it work? No it didn’t.” And yes, he was a tw*t, therefore he failedWe were warned by a certain forumer!
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Post by basel on Aug 7, 2020 13:10:38 GMT
Article is delusional twiddle twaddle from, “I was one of the better younger managers around at that point..." to “There was a lot of thought that went into that, and did it work? No it didn’t.” And yes, he was a tw*t, therefore he failedWe were warned by a certain forumer! Yes I remember the warning and from whom.
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Post by mangogas15 on Aug 7, 2020 15:26:03 GMT
We were warned by a certain forumer! Yes I remember the warning and from whom. Buckley's tenure potentially contributed to the relegation 3 years later. The panic but necessary appointments of McGhee and Ward to save us from relegation both times ultimately proved to be our undoing. Had we kept with OSC we may not have been 2nd bottom on NYD, pure speculation obviously. We attracted injury prone journeymen who helped send us down and each survival only papered over the cracks. It took going down for a young manager to say enough is enough and bring in hungry-only players who were not big names but who would run through walls for him. Maybe had we gone with Campbell from L2 2011 we could have had that type of player in his own mould. Conclusion: Blame Buckle for the relegation too.
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Post by Rex on Aug 7, 2020 22:32:40 GMT
Yes I remember the warning and from whom. Buckley's tenure potentially contributed to the relegation 3 years later. The panic but necessary appointments of McGhee and Ward to save us from relegation both times ultimately proved to be our undoing. Had we kept with OSC we may not have been 2nd bottom on NYD, pure speculation obviously. We attracted injury prone journeymen who helped send us down and each survival only papered over the cracks. It took going down for a young manager to say enough is enough and bring in hungry-only players who were not big names but who would run through walls for him. Maybe had we gone with Campbell from L2 2011 we could have had that type of player in his own mould. Conclusion: Blame Buckle for the relegation too. Who he?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2020 23:18:01 GMT
Buckley's tenure potentially contributed to the relegation 3 years later. The panic but necessary appointments of McGhee and Ward to save us from relegation both times ultimately proved to be our undoing. Had we kept with OSC we may not have been 2nd bottom on NYD, pure speculation obviously. We attracted injury prone journeymen who helped send us down and each survival only papered over the cracks. It took going down for a young manager to say enough is enough and bring in hungry-only players who were not big names but who would run through walls for him. Maybe had we gone with Campbell from L2 2011 we could have had that type of player in his own mould. Conclusion: Blame Buckle for the relegation too. Who he? One Stuart Campbell? Buckle is a Twat but the bloke who employed him continued to make one cock up after another until we were dragged into non league.
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Post by PessimistGas on Aug 7, 2020 23:46:16 GMT
I remember never being so optimistic before a season started as Buckle made a whole host of on the face of it good signings. All the while Kevin Spencer warning everyone that the bloke was a complete knob and it would end it tears. I guess he was right.
My current thinking is that we have assembled a squad that should challenge the playoff places, perhaps more. Guaranteed relegation then.
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