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Post by a more piratey game on May 21, 2020 11:31:23 GMT
This is a good read I'm disappointed that he's got mixed views about his nickname (I saw it as reflective of superstar status), but reading it I can understand why (and his understanding is very balanced I think) He comes across as someone who is very good at speaking with people and getting things done, with a clear view of things, but maybe not as compromise and bulls**t-friendly as might be necessary to be a good politician. And someone who is much more concerned with doing the right thing than with presentation and image www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/carl-saunders-love-gasheads-racism-4147187 |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on May 21, 2020 12:16:31 GMT
Fair play, it's a good interview with well constructed questions, and what appears to be honest answers.
I always liked CS and seeing it from his pov, would understand he would want to be known as "one c s" ... He does give us credit here. What isn't mentioned is he actually did look a little like Billy Ocean back in the day, whom was (and still is) well loved for his music and personality. An affection. It was the 80/90s where media was confined to four TV stations and an awakening of satellite TV.
Much the same as David Mehew back in the day.
I also remember seeing a bloke with radar boots once....Gary Penrice.
Percy Purnell.
Jocky.
Ollie
Jonah.
Gary Flip Flop.
Greasy Joe.
Porky Pig
Flasher!
So many nick names not based on colour, based (largely affectionately) on wit or quirks that stick. It appears unfashionable now, but we had songs for alot of players, we don't now. Times change.
Also, I noticed no mention of him falling out with some of the squad because allegations of him sh*gging a beloved Gas player's wife?
Hmmmm.. 🤔
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Post by Peter Parker on May 21, 2020 12:55:17 GMT
This is a good read I'm disappointed that he's got mixed views about his nickname (I saw it as reflective of superstar status), but reading it I can understand why (and his understanding is very balanced I think) He comes across as someone who is very good at speaking with people and getting things done, with a clear view of things, but maybe not as compromise and bulls***-friendly as might be necessary to be a good politician. And someone who is much more concerned with doing the right thing than with presentation and image www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/carl-saunders-love-gasheads-racism-4147187I mean I can get the Billy Ocean thing to an extent, there is always that old school racist thing that Black people "All look the same" but at the same time, but he was never named in such away that it was intended to be offensive. He wasn't singled out in any regard, Mehew was named Boris for obvious similarities in the same way. He seems understanding of it, and again it was a different time when perhaps racism was more prevalent than it once was. If it happened nowadays and a player was upset or unhappy with it, it's much easier to say so with social media and the majority of fans would surely respond as requested |
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Post by Rex on May 21, 2020 13:30:28 GMT
Rather sad if it's true that the club said they don't look at players at Lebeq's level. Hardly surprising though.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on May 21, 2020 14:51:00 GMT
Perhaps a conflict of interest as we were sponsored by The Sportsman at the time? ðŸ¤
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2020 18:57:11 GMT
Fair play, it's a good interview with well constructed questions, and what appears to be honest answers. I always liked CS and seeing it from his pov, would understand he would want to be known as "one c s" ... He does give us credit here. What isn't mentioned is he actually did look a little like Billy Ocean back in the day, whom was (and still is) well loved for his music and personality. An affection. It was the 80/90s where media was confined to four TV stations and an awakening of satellite TV. Much the same as David Mehew back in the day. I also remember seeing a bloke with radar boots once....Gary Penrice. Percy Purnell. Jocky. Ollie Jonah. Gary Flip Flop. Greasy Joe. Porky Pig Flasher! So many nick names not based on colour, based (largely affectionately) on wit or quirks that stick. It appears unfashionable now, but we had songs for alot of players, we don't now. Times change. Also, I noticed no mention of him falling out with some of the squad because allegations of him sh*gging a beloved Gas player's wife? Hmmmm.. 🤔 Perhaps it was because he was talking to the Bristol Post and not The Sun. Some things are best left in the past. |
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Post by a more piratey game on May 22, 2020 6:46:43 GMT
Fair play, it's a good interview with well constructed questions, and what appears to be honest answers. I always liked CS and seeing it from his pov, would understand he would want to be known as "one c s" ... He does give us credit here. What isn't mentioned is he actually did look a little like Billy Ocean back in the day, whom was (and still is) well loved for his music and personality. An affection. It was the 80/90s where media was confined to four TV stations and an awakening of satellite TV. Much the same as David Mehew back in the day. I also remember seeing a bloke with radar boots once....Gary Penrice. Percy Purnell. Jocky. Ollie Jonah. Gary Flip Flop. Greasy Joe. Porky Pig Flasher! [br Hmmmm.. 🤔 I think it's interesting - Boris/Penny/Percy/Jocky/Jonah/Ollie and Billy are their main names for me (I wouldn't think of referring to Boris as 'David', for example) But Devon isn't 'Bruno' - he's Devon or Big Dev |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on May 22, 2020 6:50:21 GMT
Fair play, it's a good interview with well constructed questions, and what appears to be honest answers. I always liked CS and seeing it from his pov, would understand he would want to be known as "one c s" ... He does give us credit here. What isn't mentioned is he actually did look a little like Billy Ocean back in the day, whom was (and still is) well loved for his music and personality. An affection. It was the 80/90s where media was confined to four TV stations and an awakening of satellite TV. Much the same as David Mehew back in the day. I also remember seeing a bloke with radar boots once....Gary Penrice. Percy Purnell. Jocky. Ollie Jonah. Gary Flip Flop. Greasy Joe. Porky Pig Flasher! [br Hmmmm.. 🤔 I think it's interesting - Boris/Penny/Percy/Jocky/Jonah/Ollie and Billy are their main names for me (I wouldn't think of referring to Boris as 'David', for example) But Devon isn't 'Bruno' - he's Devon or Big Dev I suppose we were all being racist against the Scottish by referring to Ian Alexander as "jocky"? ! |
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Post by Rex on May 22, 2020 7:21:36 GMT
Fair play, it's a good interview with well constructed questions, and what appears to be honest answers. I always liked CS and seeing it from his pov, would understand he would want to be known as "one c s" ... He does give us credit here. What isn't mentioned is he actually did look a little like Billy Ocean back in the day, whom was (and still is) well loved for his music and personality. An affection. It was the 80/90s where media was confined to four TV stations and an awakening of satellite TV. Much the same as David Mehew back in the day. I also remember seeing a bloke with radar boots once....Gary Penrice. Percy Purnell. Jocky. Ollie Jonah. Gary Flip Flop. Greasy Joe. Porky Pig Flasher! So many nick names not based on colour, based (largely affectionately) on wit or quirks that stick. It appears unfashionable now, but we had songs for alot of players, we don't now. Times change. Also, I noticed no mention of him falling out with some of the squad because allegations of him sh*gging a beloved Gas player's wife? Hmmmm.. 🤔
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Post by Rex on May 22, 2020 7:23:17 GMT
I think it's interesting - Boris/Penny/Percy/Jocky/Jonah/Ollie and Billy are their main names for me (I wouldn't think of referring to Boris as 'David', for example) But Devon isn't 'Bruno' - he's Devon or Big Dev He didn't say it was racist though. |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on May 22, 2020 8:36:02 GMT
I suppose we were all being racist against the Scottish by referring to Ian Alexander as "jocky"? ! He didn't say it was racist though. No, you're right, he didn't. And I didn't say he did. But (for me) he went down that direction in an educated way.. |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on May 22, 2020 8:37:26 GMT
Perhaps it was because he was talking to the Bristol Post and not The Sun.Â
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Post by Captain Jayho on May 22, 2020 11:12:09 GMT
That is a fascinating read. He's clearly a man that shoots from the hip and tells it how it is. Dobson and the old board get a pasting!
I will admit that I used to sing the Billy Ocean song on the Popular Side - genuinely had no idea at the time that it could be construed as racist. Obviously we live in slightly more enlightened times now and I'm very sorry to hear that it made him a bit uncomfortable back then. It was sung to him as a hero but clearly, in retrospect better songs could have been sung. As others point out though, he's just being honest about his feelings and I felt from the subtext like he understood that it was meant with no malice, even if in hindsight it wasn't the right thing to do.
Total respect for what he has achieved, what he stood for and what he has done for the community both then and now. Top work, Carl.
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Post by bloogas on May 22, 2020 14:58:19 GMT
Also, I noticed no mention of him falling out with some of the squad because allegations of him sh*gging a beloved Gas player's wife? Hmmmm.. 🤔 I heard it was ditching one wife /partner for another, but not another player's wife. This apparently upset Devon somewhat as he was big on family values. Only heard I stress - probably got it wrong. No business of ours anyway. Always liked him and had a soft spot for him. Really glad he's moved on and built a new career elsewhere, and nice he's still around Bristol. |
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Post by eppinggas on May 22, 2020 17:26:12 GMT
Top bloke Carl Saunders. I was speaking to someone at Orient who was involved in some "customer liaison capacity" and he knew Carl and said what a fine character he was.
Mid 90's - sadly there was still a noticeable racist element amongst our support. First game of one season (away to Oxford 0-0, probably about 94-95) Carl was getting abuse from our own fans. Disgusting. My mate (now a secondary school teacher) told them to f*ck off to trashcan. He ended up fighting them on the terrace as I bravely called the stewards over to help out.
I hope Carl knows the vast majority were always behind him.
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Post by a more piratey game on May 22, 2020 17:43:35 GMT
Disgusting. My mate (now a secondary school teacher) told them to f*ck off to trashcan. He ended up fighting them on the terrace as I bravely called the stewards over to help out.  |
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Post by bluetornados on May 22, 2020 18:24:17 GMT
All the stuff that happened back in the day was to a large extent 'just the way it was'..we may have said or did things that now would be frowned upon.
Black players, women and others have come such a long way in the last couple of decades, you will never get rid of racism or sexism totally.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2020 22:03:28 GMT
I think it's interesting - Boris/Penny/Percy/Jocky/Jonah/Ollie and Billy are their main names for me (I wouldn't think of referring to Boris as 'David', for example) But Devon isn't 'Bruno' - he's Devon or Big Dev I suppose we were all being racist against the Scottish by referring to Ian Alexander as "jocky"? ! Should have called him Stella. |
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Post by Rex on May 23, 2020 8:10:27 GMT
Also, I noticed no mention of him falling out with some of the squad because allegations of him sh*gging a beloved Gas player's wife? Hmmmm.. 🤔 I heard it was ditching one wife /partner for another, but not another player's wife. This apparently upset Devon somewhat as he was big on family values. Only heard I stress - probably got it wrong. No business of ours anyway. Always liked him and had a soft spot for him. Really glad he's moved on and built a new career elsewhere, and nice he's still around Bristol. Without wishing to get too involved in gossip, it was more because Devon's wife was friendly with Carl's wife, who Carl then left for another woman, rather than Devon's stance of family values. |
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Post by irishrover on May 30, 2020 0:48:52 GMT
That is a fascinating read. He's clearly a man that shoots from the hip and tells it how it is. Dobson and the old board get a pasting! I will admit that I used to sing the Billy Ocean song on the Popular Side - genuinely had no idea at the time that it could be construed as racist. Obviously we live in slightly more enlightened times now and I'm very sorry to hear that it made him a bit uncomfortable back then. It was sung to him as a hero but clearly, in retrospect better songs could have been sung. As others point out though, he's just being honest about his feelings and I felt from the subtext like he understood that it was meant with no malice, even if in hindsight it wasn't the right thing to do. Total respect for what he has achieved, what he stood for and what he has done for the community both then and now. Top work, Carl. I'd say it was the latter about the way he feels he was used by the board in the planning application process that is the really bad aspect of that interview really. It does not reflect well if even partially true. |
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