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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2020 12:37:36 GMT
Try making a charitable donation to that scruff who sits on the pavement outside of the local Spar. He'll 're-invest' it, into White Lightning. My point is, just claiming to 're-invest' is meaningless without an explanation of what that actually means. Anyway, we are deviating, my point was, you can use these things for positive PR, or you can make a dog's dinner of it. JustGiving have messed this up, it doesn't matter now if they charge nothing, the harm is done, they'll have to make a donation to restore their image. Well done them. Similarly, in my opinion, Rovers shouldn't be knocking on the doors of people they identify as being in need, handing stuff over, taking pictures of it happening and using that for promotional purposes. It's just poor taste. I have had many times where I’ve seen homeless, outside fast food places. I have always said would you prefer money or I can buy food, not one has said money. It’s far too easy to generalise. On the other hand and with experiencing bouts of crippling anxiety and depression, I don’t begrudge any of them having a drink. You are the only person who knows what I went through, I found it terrifying and I’m still not completely over it. It’s a fine line BG, I genuinely worry that this situation could get the upper hand. Stay well and do well my friend This is really difficult. I've mentioned previously, one professional beggar who works the bottom of Glouces Rd, his name is John, he gets over £100 a night as long as it's not raining, one of the local shops takes his change and gives him notes for it, that saves them going to the bank. Does that mean that I don't give to people who look to be in need, just in case they are con artists, like John? Of course not, we do the right thing, and if there's deceit then the shame is on people like John, he has to live with the knowledge that he's taking money that could have gone to someone who actually needs it. It sounds as if we are similar, I'll sometimes ask if the person would like hot food, what they would like and go get it for them. Got caught a few months ago by a young bloke, he said he wanted to order himself, fair enough, we went in to a kebab shop, he said what he wanted, I gave him the £, he walked out with the cash, you just look at it and understand that's nothing to do with the next person you speak to.
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Post by warehamgas on Apr 24, 2020 12:49:45 GMT
Great work by the CT. Of course it’s not unique, I wouldn’t imagine it was meant to be. They were doing stuff in their community to help in these strange times and whether other clubs are doing it either earlier or later doesn’t really matter. Blimey, it’s not a competition, they are a charity meeting a current need and we should be thankful others are doing similar work all over the country. The fact is they are doing it and whilst I’m sure they don’t do it for this I guess many gasheads would be proud of what they are doing, representing their club by helping those in most need. As others have said it’s good to have a story about the club which is portraying a real difference to the lives of others.
As to using it for promotional purposes, or the question about making themselves look good. They are a charity and I presume they will be heavily dependent upon donations, both financial and other to enable them to do the work they do. So getting good publicity will be important for them to continue the work they are doing. To do good work and publicise the good work is exactly what they need to do to be effective.
As was said this is a forum and people can say what they want but it’s good to hear of good news and I hope we don’t start questioning the motives of those doing good stuff. I’d love to hear more good stories, of course others might disagree.😉 UTG!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2020 0:36:01 GMT
neither here nor there. The point I am making is and forget Captain Tom a second, is these companies need to take something as they have operating costs, whether they should take less is a different question interesting a bit of googling dug up this www.civilsociety.co.uk/news/justgiving-revenue-increases-10-per-cent-to-27m.htmloperating profit of 1.2m in 2017. Now we can argue whether they should make a profit, but what do they do with the profit. They say the re-invest it Try making a charitable donation to that scruff who sits on the pavement outside of the local Spar. He'll 're-invest' it, into White Lightning. My point is, just claiming to 're-invest' is meaningless without an explanation of what that actually means. Anyway, we are deviating, my point was, you can use these things for positive PR, or you can make a dog's dinner of it. JustGiving have messed this up, it doesn't matter now if they charge nothing, the harm is done, they'll have to make a donation to restore their image. Well done them. Similarly, in my opinion, Rovers shouldn't be knocking on the doors of people they identify as being in need, handing stuff over, taking pictures of it happening and using that for promotional purposes. It's just poor taste. That "scruff" or human being outside the local spar. You could buy him a sandwich maybe?
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Post by eppinggas on Apr 25, 2020 8:44:17 GMT
Surely Bamber, you would concede that publicising the work we do in the community potentially gets other people involved. That's good? Yes? The more work we do in the community, the better that makes us as a Club IMHO. And living in Essex - how else would I have heard about it? That "be nice" campaign didn't get very far did it? Just occasionally (and particularly in the era of Covid-19) I find it uplifting to see 'the good' in people and their actions, rather than 'the bad'. You highlighted a section but didn't address the bit that you made bold. Is the point to help, or to make yourself look good because you've helped? Who has said that anything is bad? I don't agree with using this type of initiative as promotional material, that's not the same as saying that anyone or anything is 'bad'. You're beginning to sound a bit like a SJW, you have a label and nobody to pin it on, so are just looking for somewhere to apply your epithet. The primary motive is obviously to help. Do you agree? Yes, or no would suffice. If the by-product of the virtuous act is some publicity - then that's fine by me. I've been called many things in the past, but never an SJW (Social Justice Warrior - I had to look it up). One for the pedants... is it "an" SJW because it preempts "ES" or "a" SJW as it preempts "Social".
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2020 9:13:32 GMT
You highlighted a section but didn't address the bit that you made bold. Is the point to help, or to make yourself look good because you've helped? Who has said that anything is bad? I don't agree with using this type of initiative as promotional material, that's not the same as saying that anyone or anything is 'bad'. You're beginning to sound a bit like a SJW, you have a label and nobody to pin it on, so are just looking for somewhere to apply your epithet. The primary motive is obviously to help. Do you agree? Yes, or no would suffice. If the by-product of the virtuous act is some publicity - then that's fine by me. I've been called many things in the past, but never an SJW (Social Justice Warrior - I had to look it up). One for the pedants... is it "an" SJW because it preempts "ES" or "a" SJW as it preempts "Social". Yes, I think that the primary motive was to help. Then somebody, with no class or self awareness saw an opportunity to use it for promotional purposes. But not to worry, they've upped their game. New headline story on the official site, 1000 tickets to be given to NHS staff. Wonder how many they are going to give to folk like Vertigo who are part of our food supply network, to postmen, bin men, bus drivers etc?
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Post by eppinggas on Apr 25, 2020 12:21:56 GMT
The primary motive is obviously to help. Do you agree? Yes, or no would suffice. If the by-product of the virtuous act is some publicity - then that's fine by me. I've been called many things in the past, but never an SJW (Social Justice Warrior - I had to look it up). One for the pedants... is it "an" SJW because it preempts "ES" or "a" SJW as it preempts "Social". Yes, I think that the primary motive was to help. Then somebody, with no class or self awareness saw an opportunity to use it for promotional purposes. But not to worry, they've upped their game. New headline story on the official site, 1000 tickets to be given to NHS staff. Wonder how many they are going to give to folk like Vertigo who are part of our food supply network, to postmen, bin men, bus drivers etc? Oh Bambi! Naughty Bambi! Another 'good news' story which you immediately put a downer on! I'm looking at the positives and I'm happy with that. Let's politely agree to disagree. UTG.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2020 13:18:03 GMT
Yes, I think that the primary motive was to help. Then somebody, with no class or self awareness saw an opportunity to use it for promotional purposes. But not to worry, they've upped their game. New headline story on the official site, 1000 tickets to be given to NHS staff. Wonder how many they are going to give to folk like Vertigo who are part of our food supply network, to postmen, bin men, bus drivers etc? Oh Bambi! Naughty Bambi! Another 'good news' story which you immediately put a downer on! I'm looking at the positives and I'm happy with that. Let's politely agree to disagree. UTG. Nobody is being impolite. I have a list of people who are quietly going about their business, but you don't see silly devils stood at their doors, banging pots and pans, glancing around, desperately hoping that all of the neighbours see them out there, 'doing the right thing'. It's beyond ridiculous. I'm going to set up a steel band in my front garden and play it from 3am ~ 5am in recognition of the good folk who are keeping water flowing out of our taps, and just as important, making sure that the sewage systems remain operational. No doubt the virtue signalling neighbours will all join in.
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Post by dido on Apr 25, 2020 14:20:01 GMT
Some posters on here are obnoxious. They'll know who.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 25, 2020 14:59:07 GMT
I have had many times where I’ve seen homeless, outside fast food places. I have always said would you prefer money or I can buy food, not one has said money. It’s far too easy to generalise. On the other hand and with experiencing bouts of crippling anxiety and depression, I don’t begrudge any of them having a drink. You are the only person who knows what I went through, I found it terrifying and I’m still not completely over it. It’s a fine line BG, I genuinely worry that this situation could get the upper hand. Stay well and do well my friend This is really difficult. I've mentioned previously, one professional beggar who works the bottom of Glouces Rd, his name is John, he gets over £100 a night as long as it's not raining, one of the local shops takes his change and gives him notes for it, that saves them going to the bank. Does that mean that I don't give to people who look to be in need, just in case they are con artists, like John? Of course not, we do the right thing, and if there's deceit then the shame is on people like John, he has to live with the knowledge that he's taking money that could have gone to someone who actually needs it. It sounds as if we are similar, I'll sometimes ask if the person would like hot food, what they would like and go get it for them. Got caught a few months ago by a young bloke, he said he wanted to order himself, fair enough, we went in to a kebab shop, he said what he wanted, I gave him the £, he walked out with the cash, you just look at it and understand that's nothing to do with the next person you speak to. Fair comment and good on you
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 25, 2020 15:21:29 GMT
The primary motive is obviously to help. Do you agree? Yes, or no would suffice. If the by-product of the virtuous act is some publicity - then that's fine by me. I've been called many things in the past, but never an SJW (Social Justice Warrior - I had to look it up). One for the pedants... is it "an" SJW because it preempts "ES" or "a" SJW as it preempts "Social". Yes, I think that the primary motive was to help. Then somebody, with no class or self awareness saw an opportunity to use it for promotional purposes. But not to worry, they've upped their game. New headline story on the official site, 1000 tickets to be given to NHS staff. Wonder how many they are going to give to folk like Vertigo who are part of our food supply network, to postmen, bin men, bus drivers etc? I don’t, not for one minute, think we could afford such huge altruistic acts. I think the NHS is good enough. I received sad news that one if my female nurse friends has tested + for the virus. She has a strong will and remains upbeat but I fear for her.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 25, 2020 15:24:27 GMT
Oh Bambi! Naughty Bambi! Another 'good news' story which you immediately put a downer on! I'm looking at the positives and I'm happy with that. Let's politely agree to disagree. UTG. Nobody is being impolite. I have a list of people who are quietly going about their business, but you don't see silly devils stood at their doors, banging pots and pans, glancing around, desperately hoping that all of the neighbours see them out there, 'doing the right thing'. It's beyond ridiculous. I'm going to set up a steel band in my front garden and play it from 3am ~ 5am in recognition of the good folk who are keeping water flowing out of our taps, and just as important, making sure that the sewage systems remain operational. No doubt the virtue signalling neighbours will all join in. In fairness, it is a good point but I do not think we could afford to do it. We maybe in a position where we have no club. It’s like the 5 year season tickets, promised and gifted, by Higgs, to David & Angela Thomas. It may be that they don’t become a realty.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 25, 2020 15:26:08 GMT
Some posters on here are obnoxious. They'll know who. What really gets me are the clapping neighbours who told me that they don’t care if the NHS gets sold and yet they are clapping, now
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Post by eppinggas on Apr 25, 2020 16:19:24 GMT
Some posters on here are obnoxious. They'll know who. I think it's also quite possible that for some people, their on-line persona is not quite as pleasant as the one that presents in real life.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 25, 2020 16:34:38 GMT
Some posters on here are obnoxious. They'll know who. I think it's also quite possible that for some people, their on-line persona is not quite as pleasant as the one that presents in real life. I know this to be true. Please, everyone, don’t judge people on how they post here. I know it’s not great form but I feel a need to say that BG has been terrific with me. I was in real danger and very mentally sick due to it. He was the one who offered to help and sometimes just the offer is enough to bring you hope
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Post by warehamgas on Apr 25, 2020 16:37:47 GMT
Some posters on here are obnoxious. They'll know who. I think it's also quite possible that for some people, their on-line persona is not quite as pleasant as the one that presents in real life. I’m sure you’re correct epping. Not sure that makes it any more of an excuse though and it’s not your fault epping, everyone takes their own responsibility for what and how they post. Hey ho. UTG!
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Post by Angas on Apr 25, 2020 17:11:53 GMT
An SJW. A social justice warrior. And it's pre-empts On the good news stories, what about local lad young Frank Mills, inspired by Captain Tom to try to raise £99. Currently on nearly £250,000.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Apr 25, 2020 17:35:03 GMT
Oh Bambi! Naughty Bambi! Another 'good news' story which you immediately put a downer on! I'm looking at the positives and I'm happy with that. Let's politely agree to disagree. UTG. Nobody is being impolite. I have a list of people who are quietly going about their business, but you don't see silly devils stood at their doors, banging pots and pans, glancing around, desperately hoping that all of the neighbours see them out there, 'doing the right thing'. It's beyond ridiculous. I'm going to set up a steel band in my front garden and play it from 3am ~ 5am in recognition of the good folk who are keeping water flowing out of our taps, and just as important, making sure that the sewage systems remain operational. No doubt the virtue signalling neighbours will all join in. Think that about sums it up for me!
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Post by eppinggas on Apr 25, 2020 20:27:14 GMT
An SJW. A social justice warrior. And it's pre-empts On the good news stories, what about local lad young Frank Mills, inspired by Captain Tom to try to raise £99. Currently on nearly £250,000. Bleedin' grammar nazis. As for Frank. Heart warming. Everyone OK with that one?
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Post by eppinggas on Apr 25, 2020 20:28:52 GMT
I think it's also quite possible that for some people, their on-line persona is not quite as pleasant as the one that presents in real life. I’m sure you’re correct epping. Not sure that makes it any more of an excuse though and it’s not your fault epping, everyone takes their own responsibility for what and how they post. Hey ho. UTG! To be fair - I'm even worse in real life... hard to believe I know...
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Post by Smithy Gas on Apr 25, 2020 22:18:55 GMT
An SJW. A social justice warrior. And it's pre-empts On the good news stories, what about local lad young Frank Mills, inspired by Captain Tom to try to raise £99. Currently on nearly £250,000. Yeah, but JustGiving have taken a fortune of it so he might as well not have bothered and obviously it shouldn’t have been on the news because if you are going to do a good deed you don’t have to tell anyone. Apparently.
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