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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2020 10:51:51 GMT
We want clubs to be community clubs, but we don't want to know what they are doing in the community It's how the message is communicated. They can quietly go about their work, then just occasionally mention a few bits and pieces, bring people to games as representatives of groups or communities that they've helped, no need for grandstanding and using handover of product as a photo opportunity. KP. Yup, these companies who collect money are total leaches, they want exposure, but charge you for it. This silly Captain Tom thing, I don't get it at all, but others seem to, so fair enough, he's raised just over £28m so far, JustGiving are keeping 1%, that means they are pocketing £280,000 from this single fundraiser.
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Post by bloogas on Apr 24, 2020 10:53:47 GMT
I read that Jeff Bezos (Amazon) has given $100,00,000 to food banks. However, his personal fortune has increased by $24,000,000,000 due to the effect of C19 on his business. He's not the only one. Bristol Rovers virtue signalling rather pales into insignificance. A billion, wow. I’d like to see more do that. It can’t be much fun, having that much money but not having anywhere to go but I’d guess the seriously wealthy manage to do as they wish. Is amazon one of the companies that don’t pay tax here ? I believe so. As the figures are in $, I assume all the money went to US food banks. As you allude to KP, what can the wealthy do with all their wealth. Their burden I suppose. Not one I have.
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Post by bloogas on Apr 24, 2020 10:54:51 GMT
Oh, he's succinct alright, is our Peter. I hadn’t really noticed if honest. I tend to notice those who post much longer than myself. Not mentioning any names. Don't worry, I enjoy your posts.
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Post by Peter Parker on Apr 24, 2020 10:57:02 GMT
We want clubs to be community clubs, but we don't want to know what they are doing in the community It's how the message is communicated. They can quietly go about their work, then just occasionally mention a few bits and pieces, bring people to games as representatives of groups or communities that they've helped, no need for grandstanding and using handover of product as a photo opportunity. KP. Yup, these companies who collect money are total leaches, they want exposure, but charge you for it. This silly Captain Tom thing, I don't get it at all, but others seem to, so fair enough, he's raised just over £28m so far, JustGiving are keeping 1%, that means they are pocketing £280,000 from this single fundraiser. I don't know what Just Giving's operating costs are, but they surely have to take something to cover the costs of hosting the platform and making it available so the globe can donate to any given charity easily What that 'cut' should be I don't know
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 24, 2020 10:58:39 GMT
I hadn’t really noticed if honest. I tend to notice those who post much longer than myself. Not mentioning any names. Don't worry, I enjoy your posts. That’s very kind of you. I tend to spend a lot of time here, even when things are as they were. It may sound daft but it helps with my anxiety. I do emails first then straight onto here
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2020 11:02:20 GMT
It's how the message is communicated. They can quietly go about their work, then just occasionally mention a few bits and pieces, bring people to games as representatives of groups or communities that they've helped, no need for grandstanding and using handover of product as a photo opportunity. KP. Yup, these companies who collect money are total leaches, they want exposure, but charge you for it. This silly Captain Tom thing, I don't get it at all, but others seem to, so fair enough, he's raised just over £28m so far, JustGiving are keeping 1%, that means they are pocketing £280,000 from this single fundraiser. I don't know what Just Giving's operating costs are, but they surely have to take something to cover the costs of hosting the platform and making it available so the globe can donate to any given charity easily What that 'cut' should be I don't know Let's do a little role play thing and imagine that you and I own JustGiving. We've set up for our daily video conference to discuss what's going on. How are we going to handle this Captain Tom account? Pocket the 1% and take the public backlash, or handle that acc for free or a peppercorn sum to literally cover costs and take the positive publicity that comes with that? What do you think we should do?
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Post by bloogas on Apr 24, 2020 11:03:16 GMT
It's how the message is communicated. They can quietly go about their work, then just occasionally mention a few bits and pieces, bring people to games as representatives of groups or communities that they've helped, no need for grandstanding and using handover of product as a photo opportunity. KP. Yup, these companies who collect money are total leaches, they want exposure, but charge you for it. This silly Captain Tom thing, I don't get it at all, but others seem to, so fair enough, he's raised just over £28m so far, JustGiving are keeping 1%, that means they are pocketing £280,000 from this single fundraiser. I don't know what Just Giving's operating costs are, but they surely have to take something to cover the costs of hosting the platform and making it available so the globe can donate to any given charity easily What that 'cut' should be I don't know In fact I thought I heard they'd actually forgone their percentage for this appeal. But I may be wrong.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 24, 2020 11:06:29 GMT
It's how the message is communicated. They can quietly go about their work, then just occasionally mention a few bits and pieces, bring people to games as representatives of groups or communities that they've helped, no need for grandstanding and using handover of product as a photo opportunity. KP. Yup, these companies who collect money are total leaches, they want exposure, but charge you for it. This silly Captain Tom thing, I don't get it at all, but others seem to, so fair enough, he's raised just over £28m so far, JustGiving are keeping 1%, that means they are pocketing £280,000 from this single fundraiser. I don't know what Just Giving's operating costs are, but they surely have to take something to cover the costs of hosting the platform and making it available so the globe can donate to any given charity easily What that 'cut' should be I don't know Yes, understood but to take what was around 10% is a large amount. I have done some networking of computers for a few companies but I can’t see how they can justify that. Yes, there are a lot of causes that use it but most of it is just your own work and they have a setup that edits anything offensive or won’t allow you to post. Much is just automated. They wouldn’t really need that many people to moderate or be admins. They took 5 days to correct what was a major error so I’m guessing they don’t have a large staff. I did read that they never took a penny from captain Tom so they do have the ability to waive their fee. I’m pretty sure the percentage has dropped now though.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 24, 2020 11:07:51 GMT
I don't know what Just Giving's operating costs are, but they surely have to take something to cover the costs of hosting the platform and making it available so the globe can donate to any given charity easily What that 'cut' should be I don't know Let's do a little roll play thing and imagine that you and I own JustGiving. We've set up for our daily video conference to discuss what's going on. How are we going to handle this Captain Tom account? Pocket the 1% and take the public backlash, or handle that acc for free or a peppercorn sum to literally cover costs and take the positive publicity that comes with that? What do you think we should do? Literally just posted on this prior to seeing your post.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 24, 2020 11:09:10 GMT
I don't know what Just Giving's operating costs are, but they surely have to take something to cover the costs of hosting the platform and making it available so the globe can donate to any given charity easily What that 'cut' should be I don't know Let's do a little roll play thing and imagine that you and I own JustGiving. We've set up for our daily video conference to discuss what's going on. How are we going to handle this Captain Tom account? Pocket the 1% and take the public backlash, or handle that acc for free or a peppercorn sum to literally cover costs and take the positive publicity that comes with that? What do you think we should do? Wouldn’t it be role play ?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2020 11:26:13 GMT
Let's do a little roll play thing and imagine that you and I own JustGiving. We've set up for our daily video conference to discuss what's going on. How are we going to handle this Captain Tom account? Pocket the 1% and take the public backlash, or handle that acc for free or a peppercorn sum to literally cover costs and take the positive publicity that comes with that? What do you think we should do? Wouldn’t it be role play ? Well spotted.
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Post by Peter Parker on Apr 24, 2020 11:31:17 GMT
I don't know what Just Giving's operating costs are, but they surely have to take something to cover the costs of hosting the platform and making it available so the globe can donate to any given charity easily What that 'cut' should be I don't know Let's do a little roll play thing and imagine that you and I own JustGiving. We've set up for our daily video conference to discuss what's going on. How are we going to handle this Captain Tom account? Pocket the 1% and take the public backlash, or handle that acc for free or a peppercorn sum to literally cover costs and take the positive publicity that comes with that? What do you think we should do? neither here nor there. The point I am making is and forget Captain Tom a second, is these companies need to take something as they have operating costs, whether they should take less is a different question interesting a bit of googling dug up this www.civilsociety.co.uk/news/justgiving-revenue-increases-10-per-cent-to-27m.htmloperating profit of 1.2m in 2017. Now we can argue whether they should make a profit, but what do they do with the profit. They say the re-invest it
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2020 11:42:41 GMT
Let's do a little roll play thing and imagine that you and I own JustGiving. We've set up for our daily video conference to discuss what's going on. How are we going to handle this Captain Tom account? Pocket the 1% and take the public backlash, or handle that acc for free or a peppercorn sum to literally cover costs and take the positive publicity that comes with that? What do you think we should do? neither here nor there. The point I am making is and forget Captain Tom a second, is these companies need to take something as they have operating costs, whether they should take less is a different question interesting a bit of googling dug up this www.civilsociety.co.uk/news/justgiving-revenue-increases-10-per-cent-to-27m.htmloperating profit of 1.2m in 2017. Now we can argue whether they should make a profit, but what do they do with the profit. They say the re-invest it Try making a charitable donation to that scruff who sits on the pavement outside of the local Spar. He'll 're-invest' it, into White Lightning. My point is, just claiming to 're-invest' is meaningless without an explanation of what that actually means. Anyway, we are deviating, my point was, you can use these things for positive PR, or you can make a dog's dinner of it. JustGiving have messed this up, it doesn't matter now if they charge nothing, the harm is done, they'll have to make a donation to restore their image. Well done them. Similarly, in my opinion, Rovers shouldn't be knocking on the doors of people they identify as being in need, handing stuff over, taking pictures of it happening and using that for promotional purposes. It's just poor taste.
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Post by eppinggas on Apr 24, 2020 11:55:31 GMT
I do understand where you are coming from but maybe other people didn’t know about this and the publicity may have had an effect in making it public. I think it’s a lovely gesture and am behind it 100%. I'm with o2, any good deed or charity work is a bit tarnished if you use it for promotional purposes. What's the point, is it to help or make yourself look good because you've helped?I mean, we all do stuff, support our favourate causes, go out on particularly cold nights with blankets / soup etc to see if there's anyone out there who looks like they are really in trouble, but we don't rush home and broadcast it, do we. Surely Bamber, you would concede that publicising the work we do in the community potentially gets other people involved. That's good? Yes? The more work we do in the community, the better that makes us as a Club IMHO. And living in Essex - how else would I have heard about it? That "be nice" campaign didn't get very far did it? Just occasionally (and particularly in the era of Covid-19) I find it uplifting to see 'the good' in people and their actions, rather than 'the bad'.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 24, 2020 12:06:06 GMT
Wouldn’t it be role play ? Well spotted. I said it as I know you write well and so I wondered if I had been using it wrongly. I really dislike it when people will continue to allow me to make mistakes. The word passed was one I wrote as past and it was someone I hardly knew, who told me. I would always prefer to be told.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 24, 2020 12:08:28 GMT
I'm with o2, any good deed or charity work is a bit tarnished if you use it for promotional purposes. What's the point, is it to help or make yourself look good because you've helped?I mean, we all do stuff, support our favourate causes, go out on particularly cold nights with blankets / soup etc to see if there's anyone out there who looks like they are really in trouble, but we don't rush home and broadcast it, do we. Surely Bamber, you would concede that publicising the work we do in the community potentially gets other people involved. That's good? Yes? The more work we do in the community, the better that makes us as a Club IMHO. And living in Essex - how else would I have heard about it? That "be nice" campaign didn't get very far did it? Just occasionally (and particularly in the era of Covid-19) I find it uplifting to see 'the good' in people and their actions, rather than 'the bad'. Here, here. Well said. My area is awful, no one is talking but I do have one good result, my neighbour spoke to me, after 12 years of argument and nastiness. Felt very good to finally put that to bed
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 24, 2020 12:15:52 GMT
neither here nor there. The point I am making is and forget Captain Tom a second, is these companies need to take something as they have operating costs, whether they should take less is a different question interesting a bit of googling dug up this www.civilsociety.co.uk/news/justgiving-revenue-increases-10-per-cent-to-27m.htmloperating profit of 1.2m in 2017. Now we can argue whether they should make a profit, but what do they do with the profit. They say the re-invest it Try making a charitable donation to that scruff who sits on the pavement outside of the local Spar. He'll 're-invest' it, into White Lightning. My point is, just claiming to 're-invest' is meaningless without an explanation of what that actually means. Anyway, we are deviating, my point was, you can use these things for positive PR, or you can make a dog's dinner of it. JustGiving have messed this up, it doesn't matter now if they charge nothing, the harm is done, they'll have to make a donation to restore their image. Well done them. Similarly, in my opinion, Rovers shouldn't be knocking on the doors of people they identify as being in need, handing stuff over, taking pictures of it happening and using that for promotional purposes. It's just poor taste. I have had many times where I’ve seen homeless, outside fast food places. I have always said would you prefer money or I can buy food, not one has said money. It’s far too easy to generalise. On the other hand and with experiencing bouts of crippling anxiety and depression, I don’t begrudge any of them having a drink. You are the only person who knows what I went through, I found it terrifying and I’m still not completely over it. It’s a fine line BG, I genuinely worry that this situation could get the upper hand. Stay well and do well my friend
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2020 12:22:35 GMT
I'm with o2, any good deed or charity work is a bit tarnished if you use it for promotional purposes. What's the point, is it to help or make yourself look good because you've helped?I mean, we all do stuff, support our favourate causes, go out on particularly cold nights with blankets / soup etc to see if there's anyone out there who looks like they are really in trouble, but we don't rush home and broadcast it, do we. Surely Bamber, you would concede that publicising the work we do in the community potentially gets other people involved. That's good? Yes? The more work we do in the community, the better that makes us as a Club IMHO. And living in Essex - how else would I have heard about it? That "be nice" campaign didn't get very far did it? Just occasionally (and particularly in the era of Covid-19) I find it uplifting to see 'the good' in people and their actions, rather than 'the bad'. You highlighted a section but didn't address the bit that you made bold. Is the point to help, or to make yourself look good because you've helped? Who has said that anything is bad? I don't agree with using this type of initiative as promotional material, that's not the same as saying that anyone or anything is 'bad'. You're beginning to sound a bit like a SJW, you have a label and nobody to pin it on, so are just looking for somewhere to apply your epithet.
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Post by dido on Apr 24, 2020 12:26:20 GMT
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 24, 2020 12:30:57 GMT
It’s brilliant that Captain Tom raised, & I still raising more than the comic relief night in did. Goes to show how social media can be used for good.
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