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Post by a more piratey game on Apr 18, 2020 9:35:59 GMT
Gaslady votes for Casino Royale as she loves Daniel Craig and we both love Judi Dench. agree she's the definitive M, but Ralph Fiennes is running her surprisingly close I'm finding
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Post by warehamgas on Apr 18, 2020 12:46:13 GMT
Exactly. Just what films are meant to be. I think DC has been the longest running Bond now hasn’t he? I’m not an expert and I bet some on here are but I think I read that somewhere. People love the films, that’s why they keep making them. All other “similar” type genre films are just variations on the original theme. UTG! A while since DC has been mentioned on this forum Yes. I thought that when I typed it in. Hey, Daniel Craig. Darrell Clarke pretty similar.😉 UTG!
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 18, 2020 13:49:13 GMT
Yet to be made but I’d love a film where 007 has to come up against Bourne. I think Daniel Craig is as close to the books as has been, just needs to smoke 40 a day and he’d be perfect. He certainly plays the part of the cold character that is in the books, very well but it’s been reported that he loathes the role
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Post by trymer on Apr 19, 2020 11:05:19 GMT
Yet to be made but I’d love a film where 007 has to come up against Bourne. I think Daniel Craig is as close to the books as has been, just needs to smoke 40 a day and he’d be perfect. He certainly plays the part of the cold character that is in the books, very well but it’s been reported that he loathes the role 60 a day ! of a Balkan mixture with a higher nicotine content. Plus the drinking,he admits to half a bottle of spirits a day but he drinks more than that on many occasions (and still drives). I think that Bond is a cartoon character, I preferred Bernie Samson in the Deighton books.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 19, 2020 11:41:05 GMT
Yet to be made but I’d love a film where 007 has to come up against Bourne. I think Daniel Craig is as close to the books as has been, just needs to smoke 40 a day and he’d be perfect. He certainly plays the part of the cold character that is in the books, very well but it’s been reported that he loathes the role 60 a day ! of a Balkan mixture with a higher nicotine content. Plus the drinking,he admits to half a bottle of spirits a day but he drinks more than that on many occasions (and still drives). I think that Bond is a cartoon character, I preferred Bernie Samson in the Deighton books. I’m sure you know that many believe that the books were based on Flemings own life. He was incredibly intelligent and much to back up the theory that he was a spy. I think it was celebrity who wants to be a millionaire that he won the top prize and with consumate ease. A very intriguing figure and well worth reading about. He didn’t even use up one of the three lifeline options if I remember it correctly ? I had not heard of any cartoon but I will certainly look, now you have told me. Thank you
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Post by irishrover on Apr 19, 2020 11:56:20 GMT
60 a day ! of a Balkan mixture with a higher nicotine content. Plus the drinking,he admits to half a bottle of spirits a day but he drinks more than that on many occasions (and still drives). I think that Bond is a cartoon character, I preferred Bernie Samson in the Deighton books. I’m sure you know that many believe that the books were based on Flemmings own life. He was incredibly intelligent and much to back up the theory that he was a spy. I think it was celebrity who wants to be a millionaire that he won the top prize and with consumate ease. A very intriguing figure and well worth reading about. I had not heard of any cartoon but I will certainly look, now you have told me. Thank you I heard a thing the other day by a Historian who'd written a biography of Fleming and his role in changing the public and political image of intelligence work. In other words, how Bond normalised the idea of spies as being positive, patriotic and essential. Previous to this the British public had a very low opinion of intelligence work considering it underhand, deceitful, grubby, immoral and 'unBritish' - and if you look at spies in literature or film prior to Bond they were nearly always shady, unpleasant and untrustworthy characters even if they were on the 'right' side.Apparently Fleming definitely did work for the secret services but very much in a back office support capacity which he was bored rigid by. Hence the incentive to construct stories about what he could have been up to if they had let him out the office.....Personally I don't like the books at all but I thought that was quite interesting.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 19, 2020 12:09:03 GMT
I’m sure you know that many believe that the books were based on Flemmings own life. He was incredibly intelligent and much to back up the theory that he was a spy. I think it was celebrity who wants to be a millionaire that he won the top prize and with consumate ease. A very intriguing figure and well worth reading about. I had not heard of any cartoon but I will certainly look, now you have told me. Thank you I heard a thing the other day by a Historian who'd written a biography of Fleming and his role in changing the public and political image of intelligence work. In other words, how Bond normalised the idea of spies as being positive, patriotic and essential. Previous to this the British public had a very low opinion of intelligence work considering it underhand, deceitful, grubby, immoral and 'unBritish' - and if you look at spies in literature or film prior to Bond they were nearly always shady, unpleasant and untrustworthy characters even if they were on the 'right' side.Apparently Fleming definitely did work for the secret services but very much in a back office support capacity which he was bored rigid by. Hence the incentive to construct stories about what he could have been up to if they had let him out the office.....Personally I don't like the books at all but I thought that was quite interesting. I hastily edited my spelling of his name, due to your post. I know he was secret service but I did say theories but some of those theories seem to be backed up with good timings and placed him in several places where the books meet with his own travel. I guess I just enjoy the better backed up conspiracy stuff as it does make for some entertaining watching, for me in anycase
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Post by irishrover on Apr 19, 2020 12:35:48 GMT
I heard a thing the other day by a Historian who'd written a biography of Fleming and his role in changing the public and political image of intelligence work. In other words, how Bond normalised the idea of spies as being positive, patriotic and essential. Previous to this the British public had a very low opinion of intelligence work considering it underhand, deceitful, grubby, immoral and 'unBritish' - and if you look at spies in literature or film prior to Bond they were nearly always shady, unpleasant and untrustworthy characters even if they were on the 'right' side.Apparently Fleming definitely did work for the secret services but very much in a back office support capacity which he was bored rigid by. Hence the incentive to construct stories about what he could have been up to if they had let him out the office.....Personally I don't like the books at all but I thought that was quite interesting. I hastily edited my spelling of his name, due to your post. I know he was secret service but I did say theories but some of those theories seem to be backed up with good timings and placed him in several places where the books meet with his own travel. I guess I just enjoy the better backed up conspiracy stuff as it does make for some entertaining watching, for me in anycase But like many similar theories the reality is in some ways more interesting because he really did transform the image of intelligence which had a major impact particularly in the context of the Cold War. Spying was basically considered an activity for criminals that governments were ashamed to be associated with but it suddenly became glamorous, sexy and worthy. It became an aspirational thing for young, intelligent, ambitious people and government's wanted to be seen to support it. Then of course you have Le Carre come along, who was a real insider, with a totally different perspective and agenda who more or less implied that most of it was a self defeating waste of time and money on all sides and that it had an internal logic that mainly served to justify its own existence. Then spies came to be viewed increasingly as grubby morally compromised figures again, with Bond seen as a fantasy escape, and government's less willing to be openly associated with them. It shows that this stuff can matter.
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Post by trymer on Apr 19, 2020 12:46:10 GMT
I’m sure you know that many believe that the books were based on Flemmings own life. He was incredibly intelligent and much to back up the theory that he was a spy. I think it was celebrity who wants to be a millionaire that he won the top prize and with consumate ease. A very intriguing figure and well worth reading about. I had not heard of any cartoon but I will certainly look, now you have told me. Thank you I heard a thing the other day by a Historian who'd written a biography of Fleming and his role in changing the public and political image of intelligence work. In other words, how Bond normalised the idea of spies as being positive, patriotic and essential. Previous to this the British public had a very low opinion of intelligence work considering it underhand, deceitful, grubby, immoral and 'unBritish' - and if you look at spies in literature or film prior to Bond they were nearly always shady, unpleasant and untrustworthy characters even if they were on the 'right' side.Apparently Fleming definitely did work for the secret services but very much in a back office support capacity which he was bored rigid by. Hence the incentive to construct stories about what he could have been up to if they had let him out the office.....Personally I don't like the books at all but I thought that was quite interesting. I don't think that Bond comes across as pleasant or positive in the books,he is an old soak who smokes too much,drink drives,is a mysoginist,racist,homophobe and a snob,he is also not very streetwise and his idea of security is hopeless. Fleming seems to have based a lot of the character on himself,a heavy smoker and drinker he had a heart attack in his early 50s and died at 55 or 56. I agree that the books are Flemings fantasies about what he could have done,he wants to show that he could outwit or outfight these physically fit Commando types (very unlikely) and seduce lots of women. I don't think that the books are very good,however they were very popular because they were about travel to exotic places and mentioned food and drink unavailable to people in Britain in the 1950s,the sort of escapism that we might enjoy in the next few years.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 19, 2020 12:53:26 GMT
I hastily edited my spelling of his name, due to your post. I know he was secret service but I did say theories but some of those theories seem to be backed up with good timings and placed him in several places where the books meet with his own travel. I guess I just enjoy the better backed up conspiracy stuff as it does make for some entertaining watching, for me in anycase But like many similar theories the reality is in some ways more interesting because he really did transform the image of intelligence which had a major impact particularly in the context of the Cold War. Spying was basically considered an activity for criminals that governments were ashamed to be associated with but it suddenly became glamorous, sexy and worthy. It became an aspirational thing for young, intelligent, ambitious people and government's wanted to be seen to support it. Then of course you have Le Carre come along, who was a real insider, with a totally different perspective and agenda who more or less implied that most of it was a self defeating waste of time and money on all sides and that it had an internal logic that mainly served to justify its own existence. Then spies came to be viewed increasingly as grubby morally compromised figures again, with Bond seen as a fantasy escape, and government's less willing to be openly associated with them. It shows that this stuff can matter. You now have me wondering which if them appeared on millionaire & I will HAVE to check. Did you ever see Reilly, ace of spies ? I found that really very good and even given artistic representation, it was based upon a real figure. I really looked forward to every episode and was really upset by the ending. I, for once, was hoping for an Hollywood feel good closure. I wonder if it available in some format or other as I’d love to watch it again & it does deal with the dirt and bad press they got. Sam Neil played Reilly.
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Post by Rex on Apr 19, 2020 12:56:22 GMT
60 a day ! of a Balkan mixture with a higher nicotine content. Plus the drinking,he admits to half a bottle of spirits a day but he drinks more than that on many occasions (and still drives). I think that Bond is a cartoon character, I preferred Bernie Samson in the Deighton books. I’m sure you know that many believe that the books were based on Flemings own life. He was incredibly intelligent and much to back up the theory that he was a spy. I think it was celebrity who wants to be a millionaire that he won the top prize and with consumate ease. A very intriguing figure and well worth reading about. He didn’t even use up one of the three lifeline options if I remember it correctly ? I had not heard of any cartoon but I will certainly look, now you have told me. Thank you I thought Fleming was definitely a spy, or at least worked in intelligence? He certainly wasn't on Who Wants To Be A Millionaire though!
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Post by trymer on Apr 19, 2020 13:06:13 GMT
I’m sure you know that many believe that the books were based on Flemings own life. He was incredibly intelligent and much to back up the theory that he was a spy. I think it was celebrity who wants to be a millionaire that he won the top prize and with consumate ease. A very intriguing figure and well worth reading about. He didn’t even use up one of the three lifeline options if I remember it correctly ? I had not heard of any cartoon but I will certainly look, now you have told me. Thank you I thought Fleming was definitely a spy, or at least worked in intelligence? He certainly wasn't on Who Wants To Be A Millionaire though! He could have done the coughing !
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Post by kidgas on Apr 19, 2020 13:12:40 GMT
I thought Fleming was definitely a spy, or at least worked in intelligence? He certainly wasn't on Who Wants To Be A Millionaire though! He could have done the coughing ! Fleming was in British Naval Intelligence during the war. He wasn't a spy, but used his experience in intelligence gathering in the books he wrote. Incidentally he had the rank of commander in the RNVR (the same rank he gave to Bond).
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Post by irishrover on Apr 19, 2020 13:16:23 GMT
But like many similar theories the reality is in some ways more interesting because he really did transform the image of intelligence which had a major impact particularly in the context of the Cold War. Spying was basically considered an activity for criminals that governments were ashamed to be associated with but it suddenly became glamorous, sexy and worthy. It became an aspirational thing for young, intelligent, ambitious people and government's wanted to be seen to support it. Then of course you have Le Carre come along, who was a real insider, with a totally different perspective and agenda who more or less implied that most of it was a self defeating waste of time and money on all sides and that it had an internal logic that mainly served to justify its own existence. Then spies came to be viewed increasingly as grubby morally compromised figures again, with Bond seen as a fantasy escape, and government's less willing to be openly associated with them. It shows that this stuff can matter. You now have me wondering which if them appeared on millionaire & I will HAVE to check. Did you ever see Reilly, ace of spies ? I found that really very good and even given artistic representation, it was based upon a real figure. I really looked forward to every episode and was really upset by the ending. I, for once, was hoping for an Hollywood feel good closure. I wonder if it available in some format or other as I’d love to watch it again & it does deal with the dirt and bad press they got. Sam Neil played Reilly. No - not familiar with that. I like Sam Neil though so that sounds promising.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 19, 2020 13:21:01 GMT
I’m sure you know that many believe that the books were based on Flemings own life. He was incredibly intelligent and much to back up the theory that he was a spy. I think it was celebrity who wants to be a millionaire that he won the top prize and with consumate ease. A very intriguing figure and well worth reading about. He didn’t even use up one of the three lifeline options if I remember it correctly ? I had not heard of any cartoon but I will certainly look, now you have told me. Thank you I thought Fleming was definitely a spy, or at least worked in intelligence? He certainly wasn't on Who Wants To Be A Millionaire though! My apologies as I just checked & it was Fred Forsyth who appeared and walked away with 250K as it was for charity and his duo partner didn want to risk his answer, which proved to be right. I must stop this OCD crap. Sorry
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 19, 2020 13:23:05 GMT
You now have me wondering which if them appeared on millionaire & I will HAVE to check. Did you ever see Reilly, ace of spies ? I found that really very good and even given artistic representation, it was based upon a real figure. I really looked forward to every episode and was really upset by the ending. I, for once, was hoping for an Hollywood feel good closure. I wonder if it available in some format or other as I’d love to watch it again & it does deal with the dirt and bad press they got. Sam Neil played Reilly. No - not familiar with that. I like Sam Neil though so that sounds promising. I will see if I can find it & get back to you. It dealt with the forerunner to the KGB, the infamous NKVD, who murdered many tens of millions
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 19, 2020 13:23:42 GMT
I thought Fleming was definitely a spy, or at least worked in intelligence? He certainly wasn't on Who Wants To Be A Millionaire though! He could have done the coughing ! That made I laugh
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 19, 2020 13:41:04 GMT
You now have me wondering which if them appeared on millionaire & I will HAVE to check. Did you ever see Reilly, ace of spies ? I found that really very good and even given artistic representation, it was based upon a real figure. I really looked forward to every episode and was really upset by the ending. I, for once, was hoping for an Hollywood feel good closure. I wonder if it available in some format or other as I’d love to watch it again & it does deal with the dirt and bad press they got. Sam Neil played Reilly. No - not familiar with that. I like Sam Neil though so that sounds promising. An interesting piece about him here. www.theguardian.com/uk/2002/sep/07/russia.artsandhumanities
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Post by dido on Apr 19, 2020 13:41:17 GMT
He could have done the coughing ! That made I laugh Laugh, Jules? It is the outstanding post of the Lockdown period. Well played, trymer. Double chapeau , and then some.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 19, 2020 14:31:23 GMT
Laugh, Jules? It is the outstanding post of the Lockdown period. Well played, trymer. Double chapeau , and then some. I do still occasionally laugh but it’s fair to say, it’s not often.
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